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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: nbcburbank on November 16, 2005, 05:23:43 AM

Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: nbcburbank on November 16, 2005, 05:23:43 AM
Let's pretend that any two Game shows from the past could be revived exactly in the form they once were. This includes the same host which helped to make it popular. What two Game shows do you think could have had success competing against todays Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy? I think Match Game and Password Plus could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: PYLdude on November 16, 2005, 10:35:49 AM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 06:23 AM\']Let's pretend that any two Game shows from the past could be revived exactly in the form they once were. This includes the same host which helped to make it popular...I think Match Game and Password Plus could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money.
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If we held it up to your standard, that could never happen. Guess why?
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: cmjb13 on November 16, 2005, 10:43:30 AM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 10:35 AM\'][quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 06:23 AM\']Let's pretend that any two Game shows from the past could be revived exactly in the form they once were. This includes the same host which helped to make it popular...I think Match Game and Password Plus could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money.
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If we held it up to your standard, that could never happen. Guess why?
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I would imagine they assume the hosts were still alive.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Don Howard on November 16, 2005, 11:01:10 AM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 10:43 AM\'][quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 10:35 AM\'][quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 06:23 AM\']Let's pretend that any two Game shows from the past could be revived exactly in the form they once were. This includes the same host which helped to make it popular...I think Match Game and Password Plus could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money.
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If we held it up to your standard, that could never happen. Guess why?
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I would imagine they assume the hosts were still alive.
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I'm going to give our new member the benefit of the doubt and presume that he is expecting Ross Shafer and Tom Kennedy to host them.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: cmjb13 on November 16, 2005, 11:24:08 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 11:01 AM\'] I'm going to give our new member the benefit of the doubt and presume that he is expecting Ross Shafer and Tom Kennedy to host them.
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I don't think Ross made Match Game popular.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: bossjock967 on November 16, 2005, 11:49:26 AM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 11:24 AM\']I don't think Ross made Match Game popular.
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I agree.  Mike Berger did.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on November 16, 2005, 01:40:27 PM
Without a doubt, Uncle Jim's Question Bee and How Do You Like Your Eggs?.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: PYLdude on November 16, 2005, 02:22:50 PM
Going back to the original topic for just a second.

I take you back to 1983, when Wheel premiered as a syndicated show. At the time, what were the big 3 syndie shows? The Joker's Wild, Tic Tac Dough, and of course, Feud.

When Wheel first premiered, the original thought was that it wouldn't make as big a dent as the others had (namely Feud). But by September of 1986, Wheel was left alone by itself, with J! being second.

And even though the latest version of Match Game probably didn't have very good timeslots (namely the graveyard shift at WCBS), in the markets where it was going up against the WheelJeopernaut (lame, I know.) it probably wasn't doing very well. And there probably is a reason why there hasn't been a revival of any sort of Password game since 1989, although I don't know what that might be.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled ridicule, already in progress.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: nbcburbank on November 16, 2005, 03:11:29 PM
My original question was making the assumption that the host would still be alive Today. Operating on that assumption perhaps we can get some more responses. Of all the Game Shows of the past 50 years there just has to be two shows that you think could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money. What would they be?
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: dzinkin on November 16, 2005, 03:13:12 PM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 03:11 PM\']My original question was making the assumption that the host would still be alive Today. Operating on that assumption perhaps we can get some more responses. Of all the Game Shows of the past 50 years there just has to be two shows that you think could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money. What would they be?
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Missus Goes-A-Shopping and CBS Television Quiz.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: clemon79 on November 16, 2005, 03:24:56 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 12:13 PM\']Missus Goes-A-Shopping
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GSWitch's head just asploded.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on November 16, 2005, 09:07:42 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 03:24 PM\']GSWitch's head just asploded.[/quote]

Now *there's* a show that would get ratings.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Steve_Bier on November 16, 2005, 10:08:53 PM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 03:11 PM\']My original question was making the assumption that the host would still be alive Today. Operating on that assumption perhaps we can get some more responses. Of all the Game Shows of the past 50 years there just has to be two shows that you think could give Wheel and Jep a run for their money. What would they be?
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Well, Mindreaders would be one of them....

The other would be a nice, new show called "irismason42slovebuffet" (spelled exactly as is).
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: catkins522 on November 16, 2005, 10:31:43 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 03:13 PM\']Missus Goes-A-Shopping and CBS Television Quiz.
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No, No, No...  Celebrity Bowling for Dollars and 60's version of Supermarket Sweep...  (sorry Randy...)

Charles A.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: nbcburbank on November 16, 2005, 11:04:41 PM
Ok now I get it. It's everyone is a comedian day here at the Game Show Forum. Hopefully tomorrow I can get some serious answers.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: clemon79 on November 16, 2005, 11:23:59 PM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 08:04 PM\']Ok now I get it. It's everyone is a comedian day here at the Game Show Forum. Hopefully tomorrow I can get some serious answers.
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Hopefully tomorrow you'll ask a less idiotic question.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: cacLA8383 on November 16, 2005, 11:34:54 PM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 11:04 PM\']Ok now I get it. It's everyone is a comedian day here at the Game Show Forum. Hopefully tomorrow I can get some serious answers.
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If you think that'll happen, FORGET IT!!!

(Just had to throw that in for kicks. :-D)
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: nbcburbank on November 16, 2005, 11:52:58 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 11:23 PM\'][quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 08:04 PM\']Ok now I get it. It's everyone is a comedian day here at the Game Show Forum. Hopefully tomorrow I can get some serious answers.
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Hopefully tomorrow you'll ask a less idiotic question.
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  I was not aware that insults are welcome here. I thought this was mature Forum. Not one for Jokers.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on November 17, 2005, 12:16:12 AM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 11:52 PM\'] I was not aware that insults are welcome here. I thought this was mature Forum. Not one for Jokers.
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Dude.  Take a step back in the mirror and look at the question you wrote.  Do you HONESTLY think that Password Plus could compete?

If you post on GSN's boards, and are used to their babysitting service--that's not provided here.  All strollers and Pull-Ups are left at "Buzz".
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: clemon79 on November 17, 2005, 12:18:32 AM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 08:52 PM\']I was not aware that insults are welcome here. I thought this was mature Forum. Not one for Jokers.
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Oh, no, I assure you, there is no shortage of jokers around here.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Jimmy Owen on November 17, 2005, 12:36:48 AM
From a purely ratings standpoint, I would say 21 and "64k Question," before we found out about the manipulation.  All the other viable contemporary formats have been revived (some even twice) since 1983 and Wheel has rolled over them.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on November 17, 2005, 01:05:16 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 17 2005, 12:18 AM\']Oh, no, I assure you, there is no shortage of jokers around here.[/quote]

"There are more jokers on the board, and that means that the discussion is more exciting."

The part of the question that really gets me is "exactly in the form they once were". Wheel and Jeopardy! themselves are miles away, at least in appearance, from what they were 20 years ago. They've got decades of polish, seasoned hosts and crews, and so on. If Password Plus were going into its 24th syndicated season, with Tom Kennedy known to as many college students as Bob Barker, yeah, it could complete with the top shows. But that would be largely *because* it was going into its 24th season, etc.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: sshuffield70 on November 17, 2005, 09:30:40 AM
[quote name=\'nbcburbank\' date=\'Nov 16 2005, 11:52 PM\']I was not aware that insults are welcome here. I thought this was mature Forum. Not one for Jokers.
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Spin the wheels, nbcburbank!

<pulls lever......wheels spin>

Joker! <Chris Lemon's face>....Joker! <Carl's face>.....Joker!!!! <Mark Odor's face>
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: bossjock967 on November 17, 2005, 09:40:44 AM
Personally... I think if Jack Barry hadn't have passed away when he did... that TJW and TTD would have given Wheel and Jeopardy! a run of their money... at least for a while.

Itt's just ponderous to me how quickly B&E just collapsed on itself after Barry died.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: zachhoran on November 17, 2005, 10:27:08 AM
[quote name=\'bossjock967\' date=\'Nov 17 2005, 09:40 AM\']Personally... I think if Jack Barry hadn't have passed away when he did... that TJW and TTD would have given Wheel and Jeopardy! a run of their money... at least for a while.

Itt's just ponderous to me how quickly B&E just collapsed on itself after Barry died.
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TJW/TTD were starting to decline by the time WOF debuted(JAck was still alive then), and we reported on ATGS that Jack was considering retirement and possibly not bringing TJW to NATPE after the 1983-84 season. I'm surprised the shows even made it to 1985-86, and even if Jack Barry had lived, I doubt they would have lasted any longer. Recall that Feud was still a top 10 show in syndication even with the onslaught of WOF, and was still axed after the 1984-85 season. TJW and TTD's ratings in 1984-85 were probably much lower than that.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: Don Howard on November 17, 2005, 10:37:46 AM
Taking this another route, would WOF as a Chuck Woolery and Susan Stafford co-hosted vehicle have made it to a 23rd syndicated season? Likewise, would Jeopardy! starring an 80-year old Art Fleming (yes, I know Art went over the rainbow long ago, but I think our OP has asked us to suspend disbelief for this exercise) be a hit in its 22nd year? For that matter, would Entertainment Tonight be in its 25th season had Tom Hallick, Ron Hendren and Marjorie Wallace stuck around?
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: parliboy on November 17, 2005, 12:35:03 PM
To nbcburbank: Chris's toleration for bad questions and poor comments are short, no doubt helped by the tons of idiots that have come before you.  While I don't think you're an idiot, you're asking the kind of question we would expect to see from a fanboy board; and so the short-circuited assumption is that you're going to ask more bad questions.  Don't ask bad questions, and the short-circuiting will eventually stop (Even from Chris).

The threshold for catching flack for creating a thread is much lower than that for commenting on a thread, especially when you've been here less than a week.  Take some time, get familiar with who does what around here, offer some good points where you can, and you won't be a newb.  Pushing back against the entrenched method of initiation (like you're doing here) is a bit like a fish flopping around on a boat -- the more you fight, the faster you suffocate yourself.

And they're right, you know -- the correct answer is "None of the Above".  Come to accept why that's the case, and you'll save yourself a lot of grief.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: dzinkin on November 17, 2005, 05:08:01 PM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 17 2005, 10:27 AM\']we reported on ATGS
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Zach, "we" did not report anything.  Unless you're going to cite a specific person's comments (and in that case a link to the specific post should be included), please speak only for yourself.
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: tvwxman on November 17, 2005, 06:25:08 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Nov 17 2005, 05:08 PM\'][quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 17 2005, 10:27 AM\']we reported on ATGS
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Zach, "we" did not report anything.  Unless you're going to cite a specific person's comments (and in that case a link to the specific post should be included), please speak only for yourself.
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he's speaking for his vast legion of friends, thus the correct use of the word "we".

bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Shows that could have competed with Wheel and Jep
Post by: The Ol' Guy on November 17, 2005, 06:46:13 PM
You might have something with JOKER...if Barker did a night TPIR, maybe - but that's - as stated - in fantasyland.

B&E imploded after Jack's death for many reasons - Jack was the glue, the oil on the water that smoothed the waves Enright made. Dan and Rich Kline didn't get along, and when Rich stormed out after Jack's death, a number of B&E people went with him. I suspect that there was no longer an effective creative staff after that. Dan was good at taking care of the production end - how creative a developer he was has yet to be determined. Jack was reportedly the better salesman to the networks and syndicators. Dan went into an emotional tailspin after Jack's death, getting into a couple of relationships he probably shouldn't have, neglecting his ill wife. And Dan broke off business ties with his son's production company - the one that gave Dan his only Emmy. When he partnered up with Susan Stafford, a news article had them offering only vague ideas as to what they were going to produce. Hard to say how long knew he had cancer, but the last years without Jack didn't amount to much. If anyone in the biz closer to them has any corrections on these, let me know.