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Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: golden-road on September 27, 2005, 02:40:40 PM
I know that ITC distributed TTD90, & Orbis Communications distributed Joker90, but who distributed Trump Card & The Challengers?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: uncamark on September 27, 2005, 03:00:29 PM
[quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 01:40 PM\']I know that ITC distributed TTD90, & Orbis Communications distributed Joker90, but who distributed Trump Card & The Challengers?
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[Chuck Reilly] "Trump Card" is a production of Createl, Ltd. in association with Fiedler/Berlin Productions and Lorimar Television, and distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Distribution.  [CR]

"Challengers" was Disney/Buena Vista.  Don Morrow didn't read a slate, we just had Ronnie Greenberg's silhouette teeing off and the dick clark productions animation.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: tmq800 on September 27, 2005, 08:02:39 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 01:40 PM\']I know that ITC distributed TTD90, & Orbis Communications distributed Joker90, but who distributed Trump Card & The Challengers?
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[Chuck Reilly] "Trump Card" is a production of Createl, Ltd. in association with Fiedler/Berlin Productions and Lorimar Television, and distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Distribution.  [CR]

"Challengers" was Disney/Buena Vista.  Don Morrow didn't read a slate, we just had Ronnie Greenberg's silhouette teeing off and the dick clark productions animation.
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Actually, Lorimar Television merged with Telepictures in 1986, and both into Warner Bros. in 1989.  Telepictures Productions was then formed mainly as a production company, while Warner Bros. took control of all distribution rights for existing Lorimar/Telepictures shows.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: remlap on September 28, 2005, 10:46:07 AM
Quick Question

Is the ITC mentioned in this topic the same one setup by ATV Midlands and London owner Lew Grade, who syndicated The Muppet Show, Thunderbirds etc to American stations?

Thanks
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: Chief-O on September 28, 2005, 10:57:55 AM
[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 09:46 AM\']Is the ITC mentioned in this topic the same one setup by ATV Midlands and London owner Lew Grade, who syndicated The Muppet Show, Thunderbirds etc to American stations?
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Yep.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: dmota104 on September 28, 2005, 11:09:13 AM
[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 09:46 AM\']Quick Question

Is the ITC mentioned in this topic the same one setup by ATV Midlands and London owner Lew Grade, who syndicated The Muppet Show, Thunderbirds etc to American stations?

Thanks
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Those shows as well as Space: 1999 -- also known as Star Trek Lite.  :)
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: uncamark on September 28, 2005, 03:06:05 PM
[quote name=\'tmq800\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 07:02 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 02:00 PM\'][
[Chuck Reilly] "Trump Card" is a production of Createl, Ltd. in association with Fiedler/Berlin Productions and Lorimar Television, and distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Distribution.  [CR]

"Challengers" was Disney/Buena Vista.  Don Morrow didn't read a slate, we just had Ronnie Greenberg's silhouette teeing off and the dick clark productions animation.
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Actually, Lorimar Television merged with Telepictures in 1986, and both into Warner Bros. in 1989.  Telepictures Productions was then formed mainly as a production company, while Warner Bros. took control of all distribution rights for existing Lorimar/Telepictures shows.
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At that point, they were referring to themselves as Lorimar and were technically still a separate division of what was to become Time Warner.

And running Lorimar (and about to run Warners TV after the merger) was some guy named Leslie Moonves--what's he doing today?  :)

And taking care of another post--ITC at the time was owned by Polygram, who had purchased it after Lord Grade's death.  The U.S. operation was run by Jack Barry's old syndicator Dick Colbert, which explains why he was handling "TTD."  In the breakup a few years ago of Polygram, the ATV/ITC library was sold to Carlton Communications, who later merged with Granada to form ITV plc (and I assume that the library is now handled by ITV's Granada Entertainment division, unless Carlton still exists as a distribution entity).
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: remlap on September 28, 2005, 03:45:41 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 08:06 PM\'][quote name=\'tmq800\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 07:02 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 02:00 PM\'][
[Chuck Reilly] "Trump Card" is a production of Createl, Ltd. in association with Fiedler/Berlin Productions and Lorimar Television, and distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Distribution.  [CR]

"Challengers" was Disney/Buena Vista.  Don Morrow didn't read a slate, we just had Ronnie Greenberg's silhouette teeing off and the dick clark productions animation.
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Actually, Lorimar Television merged with Telepictures in 1986, and both into Warner Bros. in 1989.  Telepictures Productions was then formed mainly as a production company, while Warner Bros. took control of all distribution rights for existing Lorimar/Telepictures shows.
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At that point, they were referring to themselves as Lorimar and were technically still a separate division of what was to become Time Warner.

And running Lorimar (and about to run Warners TV after the merger) was some guy named Leslie Moonves--what's he doing today?  :)

And taking care of another post--ITC at the time was owned by Polygram, who had purchased it after Lord Grade's death.  The U.S. operation was run by Jack Barry's old syndicator Dick Colbert, which explains why he was handling "TTD."  In the breakup a few years ago of Polygram, the ATV/ITC library was sold to Carlton Communications, who later merged with Granada to form ITV plc (and I assume that the library is now handled by ITV's Granada Entertainment division, unless Carlton still exists as a distribution entity).
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Yep thats right though some of the old ATV shows like Thunderbirds and Stingray still carry ITC helix on thier shows here in the UK both now on non ITV owned channnels BBC and SKY One, with a Carlton indent at the end.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: golden-road on September 28, 2005, 08:34:41 PM
These are kinda off topic, but I was wondering, about Trump Card...

1. Was the $750/$1500/$3000 added to each other, or did the player go into the endgame with just the $3K?

2. Was money awarded per right answer for a bonus round loss, and if so, did this remain in the $2500/$5000/$10,000 bonus format?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: zachhoran on September 28, 2005, 08:49:30 PM
[quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 07:34 PM\']These are kinda off topic, but I was wondering, about Trump Card...

1. Was the $750/$1500/$3000 added to each other, or did the player go into the endgame with just the $3K?

2. Was money awarded per right answer for a bonus round loss, and if so, did this remain in the $2500/$5000/$10,000 bonus format?
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Whomever filled the four corners in round one won $750, whomever filled the center line in round two won $1500, and then whomever completed their trump card in round three won $3000. Losing contestants kept whatever money they won. $5250 was awarded in each maingame. I don't believe money was awarded per right answer on a bonus loss, and the $2500/$5000/$10000 bonus format, which I only saw one episode of, also retained that rule.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: Thad Dixon on September 28, 2005, 09:24:16 PM
This takes the thread even further off topic but, regarding "Trump Card", how did the $2500/$5000/$10,000 bonus format work?  I don't remember seeing that one ever.  (Every ep. I saw during the show's original run had the more familiar "$10,000 or nothing" bonus round.)
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: Don Howard on September 28, 2005, 10:11:37 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 02:06 PM\']And running Lorimar (and about to run Warners TV after the merger) was some guy named Leslie Moonves--what's he doing today?  :)
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Sitting on four unseen sessions of Winning Lines: The Lost Episodes while his witless wife charges on with NEW! versions of Big Brother.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: golden-road on September 28, 2005, 10:29:13 PM
[quote name=\'Thad Dixon\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 08:24 PM\']This takes the thread even further off topic but, regarding "Trump Card", how did the $2500/$5000/$10,000 bonus format work?  I don't remember seeing that one ever.  (Every ep. I saw during the show's original run had the more familiar "$10,000 or nothing" bonus round.)
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If a player got the five in a row in less then 45 seconds, it was worth $2500. It was $5000 for less 35 seconds, and $10,000 for less then 25 seconds.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: golden-road on September 28, 2005, 10:34:56 PM
While I'm at it, I might as well ask, but was my mind (4 at the time) playing the tricks on me, or did somebody walk out with over $100K on Challengers?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: Don Howard on September 28, 2005, 10:39:19 PM
[quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 09:34 PM\']While I'm at it, I might as well ask, but was my mind (4 at the time) playing the tricks on me, or did somebody walk out with over $100K on Challengers?
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Yes. And Dick Clark even commented, "We don't have room for it (on the scoreboard)". It carried a permanent $ followed by five positions for the numbers. Whenever someone had a 5-digit total beginning with a "2", the deuce was nuzzled right up against the "$". Looked so cute and cozy. Like Pat O'Brien when he's napping.
I believe $100K+ happened only once due to the jettisoning of The Ultimate Challenge. Didn't they even cool with it with unlimited winnings eventually?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: aaron sica on September 28, 2005, 10:50:13 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 10:39 PM\']Like Pat O'Brien when he's napping.
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That mental image sent me scurrying to Bed, Bath and Beyond, but DRAT! it's late at night and closed. Thanks a lot.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: zachhoran on September 28, 2005, 11:07:49 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 09:39 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 09:34 PM\']While I'm at it, I might as well ask, but was my mind (4 at the time) playing the tricks on me, or did somebody walk out with over $100K on Challengers?
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I believe $100K+ happened only once due to the jettisoning of The Ultimate Challenge. Didn't they even cool with it with unlimited winnings eventually?
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Stanley Newman, the biggest winner on the Challengers, won $112,480, although that probably included TofC winnings, no? I don't recall ever hearing there being a limit on appearances.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: davemackey on September 29, 2005, 12:03:14 AM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 11:07 PM\']Stanley Newman, the biggest winner on the Challengers, won $112,480, although that probably included TofC winnings, no? I don't recall ever hearing there being a limit on appearances.
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The same Stanley Newman, of course, who helped Peter Gordon win a bunch o' money on "Twenty-One" - and both, coincidentally, work as crossword editors for New York newspapers - Stan for Newsday (http://\"http://www.stanxwords.com/nwsxwd.htm\"), and Peter for the New York Sun (http://\"http://www.nysun.com/crosswords/subscriber_puzzle.php\").

As any constructor will tell you, Peter is as tough an editor as they come - I've never been able to get a puzzle past his radar - but the ones that do are gems. Stan, unfortunately, runs a shop that's pretty much closed to freelancers, relying on a small staff to produce his puzzles.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: TLEberle on September 29, 2005, 02:36:55 AM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Sep 28 2005, 08:07 PM\']Stanley Newman, the biggest winner on the Challengers, won $112,480, although that probably included TofC winnings, no? I don't recall ever hearing there being a limit on appearances.
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On his last show, he bet everything on the Final Challenge, lost, and his final total was the $112,480.  There was no such limit on appearances, or times that a person could win the Ultimate Challenge: I think Stan (as he was called on the show) won two of 'em.  Winning even ONE was a feat in itself.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: zachhoran on September 29, 2005, 07:53:09 AM
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The same Stanley Newman, of course, who helped Peter Gordon win a bunch o' money on "Twenty-One"


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Didn't Peter Gordon lose to Dave Legler in his fourth or fifth game?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: PYLdude on September 29, 2005, 11:33:07 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Sep 29 2005, 02:36 AM\']On his last show, he bet everything on the Final Challenge, lost, and his final total was the $112,480.
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Travis, I hate to challenge you on this, but if I remember correctly Stan didn't even make it to the Final Challenge on his last day as champion, as he was eliminated for finishing in the red. I do remember seeing this episode.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: golden-road on September 30, 2005, 09:37:59 AM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 01:40 PM\']I know that ITC distributed TTD90, & Orbis Communications distributed Joker90, but who distributed Trump Card & The Challengers?
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[Chuck Reilly] "Trump Card" is a production of Createl, Ltd. in association with Fiedler/Berlin Productions and Lorimar Television, and distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Distribution.  [CR]

"Challengers" was Disney/Buena Vista.  Don Morrow didn't read a slate, we just had Ronnie Greenberg's silhouette teeing off and the dick clark productions animation.
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Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: golden-road on September 30, 2005, 09:40:17 AM
[quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 30 2005, 08:37 AM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 02:00 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 27 2005, 01:40 PM\']I know that ITC distributed TTD90, & Orbis Communications distributed Joker90, but who distributed Trump Card & The Challengers?
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[Chuck Reilly] "Trump Card" is a production of Createl, Ltd. in association with Fiedler/Berlin Productions and Lorimar Television, and distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Distribution.  [CR]

"Challengers" was Disney/Buena Vista.  Don Morrow didn't read a slate, we just had Ronnie Greenberg's silhouette teeing off and the dick clark productions animation.
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In regards to Challengers, did the same three logos end LMAD90, and if so, did the Buena Vista logo have the words "Distributed By" on it?

Also, I remember another '90 Syndie, Quiz Kids Challenge. Who distributed it?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: TLEberle on September 30, 2005, 10:48:29 AM
I think this is a fine time to ask: is there anyone left on the boards here who does not have the Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows?  Because I'm sure the answer to "Who was the syndicate for Show X"? would be in there.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: uncamark on September 30, 2005, 12:42:35 PM
[quote name=\'golden-road\' date=\'Sep 30 2005, 08:40 AM\'][Also, I remember another '90 Syndie, Quiz Kids Challenge. Who distributed it?
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After respecting Travis' post, I will state that Guber/Peters, who had just acquired Chuck Barris' companies, distributed it (it was originally going to have the Barris nameplate on it).  Sony got the Barris shows as part of the deal that made Peter Guber and Jon Peters the studio chiefs for a brief period of time (Sony took over ownership of Guber/Peters' properties).

SortaObGameShow:  Guber and Peter Bart's "Sunday Morning Shootout" show on AMC is produced by Scott Sternberg, who was Barris' production chief when Guber and Peters bought the company out.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: Jimmy Owen on September 30, 2005, 12:59:26 PM
I've got the first two encyclopedias and in many cases, the syndicator is not listed.  Did they add them in the more recent editions?
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on October 01, 2005, 02:08:27 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Sep 30 2005, 09:48 AM\']I think this is a fine time to ask: is there anyone left on the boards here who does not have the Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows?  Because I'm sure the answer to "Who was the syndicate for Show X"? would be in there.[/quote]

I don't.

But, then again, I cannot begin to fathom the appeal of threads about syndicators, or time slots, or changes in network affiliation.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: chris319 on October 01, 2005, 04:15:32 AM
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I cannot begin to fathom the appeal of threads about syndicators, or time slots, or changes in network affiliation.
It's an acquired taste, along the lines of "What Did They Serve for Lunch at the Card Sharks Taping of (INSERT DATE)?" or "How Many Barney's Suits Did Bill Cullen Actually Own?" or "What Is the Most Popular Brand of Suntan Lotion Used by Game Show Models?" -- you know, that kind of thing.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: zachhoran on October 01, 2005, 07:29:57 PM
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I cannot begin to fathom the appeal of threads about syndicators, or time slots, or changes in network affiliation.
It's an acquired taste, along the lines of "What Did They Serve for Lunch at the Card Sharks Taping of (INSERT DATE)?" or "How Many Barney's Suits Did Bill Cullen Actually Own?" or "What Is the Most Popular Brand of Suntan Lotion Used by Game Show Models?" -- you know, that kind of thing.
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Also "How many Hoosier Millionaire tapes does Brian Henke have in his collection?"
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: clemon79 on October 01, 2005, 07:46:58 PM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Oct 1 2005, 04:29 PM\']Also "How many Hoosier Millionaire tapes does Brian Henke have in his collection?"
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Yeah, because Zach's totally qualified to be criticizing someone else for being annoying.

Quit trying to be part of the gang, Zach. It's not gonna happen.
Title: 1990 Syndie Game Shows
Post by: BrandonFG on October 02, 2005, 12:21:12 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Oct 1 2005, 06:46 PM\']Yeah, because Zach's totally qualified to be criticizing someone else for being annoying.

Quit trying to be part of the gang, Zach. It's not gonna happen.
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Bonnie will make sure it does. :-P