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Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on August 23, 2005, 03:06:41 PM
Found this on the web.

My recollection from personal observation of the Match Game (entry #44) music logs is that the composer was listed as "N. Maaskoff".

Also from personal observation of the TPIR music logs, the composer of many TPIR cues was listed as "B. Kalehoff".

Also, check out this link: http://www.tvpmm.com/ (http://\"http://www.tvpmm.com/\")

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( Note: The themes listed under Mr. Israel could have been created by composers sub-contracted to Score Productions. Contributors may have been Shelia Cole (Israel), Edd Kalehoff, Carl Brandt, Jefferson Denim, Stephen Schwartz, Michael Hankinson, James Jacobson, Gladys Shapiro, Arthur B. Rubenstein, Howard Lindeman, Garry Anderson, John McCarthy, Susan Otto, David Sheniak, Nathalie Maaskoff, Sheldon Allman & Marilyn Doreen Hall. Please contact us so we may correctly credit these compositions to their true composers.)

1. Time Race "Fox- Starlost"
2. Patterns "NBC- The Doctors"
3. Jessica
4. Belief
5. The Showoffs "ABC-Showoffs"
6. Woman Alone
7. Simon Locke "Colgate-Fourstar series"
8. My Hometown
9. Claudine's Dream
10. Through a Reflective Glass
11. Bicentennial Funk "ABC-Password"
12. Piper's Trip
13. Orbit "Fox-Starlost"
14. Forgotten Games
15. The Neon Sedan
16. Tickler
17. Sun Day
18. Sleepwalker's Carnival
19. Azure
20. The Lure
21. Target
22. Search & Rescue- NBC
23. The Doctors- NBC
24. ABC News Theme- ABC
25. On Our Own- CBS
26. The Price is Right Main Theme- CBS & Syndicated
27. Sports World- NBC
28. To Tell The Truth- Syndicated
29. Another World- NBC
30. NCAA College Football- ABC
31. Marlo & The Magic Movie Machine- Syndicated
32. ABC Wide World Of Sports- ABC
33. Family Feud 1970's- ABC
34. For Richer, For Poorer- NBC
35. ABC Sports Theme- ABC
36. G.I. Diary- Syndicated
37. Harvey- NBC
38. ABC's International Championship Boxing- ABC
39. Red Hand Gang- NBC
40. NBA Basketball- ABC
41. Celebrity Charades- Syndicated
42. What's My Line- Syndicated
43. Wide World of Sports Promo- ABC
44. Match Game- CBS & Syndicated
45. NFL- ABC
46. I've Got A Secret- Syndicated
47. The Cats- CBS's The Price is Right  
48. Eric- CBS's The Price is Right
49. Tackless- CBS's The Price is Right
50. Brioche- CBS's The Price is Right
51. Sam- CBS's The Price is Right
52. Deja Vu- CBS's The Price is Right
53. Ralph- CBS's The Price is Right
54. Phaser- CBS's The Price is Right
55. Robt.- CBS's The Price is Right
56. Rye Bread- CBS's The Price is Right
57. Jive Walk- CBS's The Price is Right
58. Bhen- CBS's The Price is Right
59. Amen, Brother Herbert- CBS's The Price is Right
60. Spring Waltz- CBS's The Price is Right
61. Walking- CBS's The Price is Right
62. The Bean Stalker- CBS's The Price is Right
63. Dig We Must- CBS's The Price is Right
64. The Feud- ABC & Syndicated Family Feud 1970's
65. Starcrossed- CBS's The Price is Right
66. The Big Banana- CBS's The Price is Right
67. Splendido!- CBS's The Price is Right
68. Second Thoughts- CBS's The Price is Right
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on August 23, 2005, 04:25:07 PM
There's this entry from the BMI web site:

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Songwriter/Composer: KALEHOFF BEVERLY B

Current Affiliation: BMI 
CAE/IPI #: 62097385
There are 8 Work Titles
 Work Title   BMI Work #
   1.   ABC SPECIAL-BG CUES   0
   2.   CBS 50 YEARS FROM TELE-BG CUES   0
   3.   MOST OUTRAGEOUS GAME S-BG CUES   0
   4.   SPORTS ILLUSTRATED 40-BG CUES   0
   5.   TATTLE TALES BLACK   4383540
   6.   TATTLE TALES THEME   4383517
   7.   TATTLE TALES VAMP   4383516
   8.   TATTLE TALES-BG CUES   0
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: NickintheATL on August 23, 2005, 04:37:36 PM
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Songwriter/Composer: KALEHOFF BEVERLY B

Current Affiliation: BMI 
CAE/IPI #: 62097385
There are 8 Work Titles
 Work Title   BMI Work #
   1.   ABC SPECIAL-BG CUES   0
   3.   MOST OUTRAGEOUS GAME S-BG CUES   0

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I'm guessing #1 was the two William Shatner hosted specials from '84 and '85 as they were on ABC, they used the same theme track.

Is #3 the recent NBC clip fests?
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on August 23, 2005, 04:44:24 PM
Goodson went through a period where he wasn't using Edd Kalehoff's musical services. This period ended with Trivia Trap in 1984. One wonders whether Beverly and Edd collaborated on the 1984 ABC specials.

We know that today Mr. Kalehoff is married to his second wife, Andrea McArdle.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: BrandonFG on August 23, 2005, 04:50:04 PM
Talking out my ass, but would this have started in the late-70s, around 78 or 79? It seems like Kalehoff liked to do a lot of synthesized arrangements (case in point, Trivia Trap), and some of Goodson's late-70s music seemed to be more live instrumentation instead of synthesized (i.e. Mindreaders, Password Plus, TTTT80).

Again, all speculation, and I'm prolly way off.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on August 23, 2005, 05:26:57 PM
You're on the mark. If Kalehoff was involved you knew his MOOG synthesizer wasn't far behind. Double Dare debuted in 1976 and featured a synthesizer. Then came:

The Better Sex - 1977
Card Sharks (Double Dare music) - 1978
Spellbinders pilot - 1978
Password Plus - 1979
Mindreaders - 1979
All New Beat the Clock (live music) - 1979
Puzzlers pilot (Mindreaders music) - 1980
TTTT - 1980
That's My Line - Bob Cobert - 1980
Blockbusters - 1980
Tattletales - 1982

All of these were orchestral and did not feature synth.

Have I missed anything?
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: mystery7 on August 23, 2005, 05:56:03 PM
Did Goodson have a contract with Score or just a preference for their themes? (Without going too far down a tangent, the same question also applies to Barry & Enright/Hal Hidey and Bob Stewart/Bob Cobert.)
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on August 23, 2005, 06:10:16 PM
In Goodson's case it was preference.

Some time in the '80s, Goodson made Stan Blits music supervisor for the entire company, not just TPIR. Stan worked some other artists into the mix.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: davemackey on August 23, 2005, 08:51:14 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 03:06 PM\']Also, check out this link: http://www.tvpmm.com/ (http://\"http://www.tvpmm.com/\")[/quote]

Oh yeah. The museum no one can get into.

I really love the game show music of W.G. "Snuffy" Smith. Didn't he also write the Barney Google theme?
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 23, 2005, 09:00:59 PM
The music on the two ABC William Shatner specials was credited to Music Design Group.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: snowpeck on August 23, 2005, 09:16:36 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 09:00 PM\']The music on the two ABC William Shatner specials was credited to Music Design Group.
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If indeed that is referring to those specials, it's probably referring to the use of a couple game show themes in the special (Price and Tattletales 82 come to mind).  Often when cues are used in other shows like that, they have to be filed a second time with BMI or ASCAP or whatever other agency.  For example, the episode of Laverne & Shirley in which they went on The Dating Game used the actual music from the show.  Therefore, Chuck Barris is credited with having written "Laverne & Shirley BG Cues".


Greg
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: davemackey on August 23, 2005, 09:33:05 PM
[quote name=\'snowpeck\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 09:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 09:00 PM\']The music on the two ABC William Shatner specials was credited to Music Design Group.
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If indeed that is referring to those specials, it's probably referring to the use of a couple game show themes in the special (Price and Tattletales 82 come to mind).
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IIRC, the Shatner specials aired in the early 80's, pre-dating by a few years the only game show Music Design Group did for Goodson, "Blockbusters". So MDG probably did the theme for the Shatner specials.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: BrandonFG on August 24, 2005, 12:33:10 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 05:10 PM\']In Goodson's case it was preference.

Some time in the '80s, Goodson made Stan Blits music supervisor for the entire company, not just TPIR. Stan worked some other artists into the mix.
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Question 2 about synth vs. orchestra: Did Goodson think that orchestra sounded better for a game show, or was it a throwback to the live music era (50s and 60s)?
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: Adam Nedeff on August 24, 2005, 12:35:10 AM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 08:33 PM\']IIRC, the Shatner specials aired in the early 80's, pre-dating by a few years the only game show Music Design Group did for Goodson, "Blockbusters". So MDG probably did the theme for the Shatner specials.
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If MDG did compose that theme, I don't know if they composed it specifically for those specials. I'm positive it's the same theme Bob Stewart used for two of his pilots, "The Riddlers" and "Caught in the Act" (1975).
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on August 24, 2005, 03:32:28 AM
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Did Goodson think that orchestra sounded better for a game show, or was it a throwback to the live music era (50s and 60s)?
I never heard him express an opinion one way or the other. Clearly he was pleased with both synth and non-synth. For Narz Concentration, which was done on a slim budget, he had to be pleased with the economy-class music package which consisted only of MOOG, bass guitar and percussion. OTOH he was willing to pay for full orchestration for TPIR cues, P+, Mindreaders, etc. Either Goodson, Israel or both must have realized that game show music needs "punch". It needs to be a little shrill to cut through applause and announce -- that's why you hear so much trumpet/flugelhorn, flute and MOOG. In the original TPIR package there is a lot of nuance you don't hear because the strings, harp and rhythm guitar got buried in the mix.

In the beginning, G-T shows used fairly forgettable recorded library music. The prize music for Cullen TPIR was downright dull. Then Bob Cobert came along with his music for TPIR, TTTT and Password, and "A Swingin' Safari" was used for The Match Game. Next, Bob Israel/Score Productions came along with their music for He Said, She Said and syndicated WML? The music then shifted into high gear when Edd and Beverly Kalehoff came along with their work for TPIR and Tattletales.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: Ian Wallis on August 24, 2005, 01:43:27 PM
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For example, the episode of Laverne & Shirley in which they went on The Dating Game used the actual music from the show. Therefore, Chuck Barris is credited with having written "Laverne & Shirley BG Cues".


And the "blooper" in that (if you will) is that they used some of the late '70s cues, which was either still in production at the time, or had just ended production.  "Laverne and Shirley" was set in the mid '60s by that time.  Oh well...I guess only us "purists" would ever notice :)
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on November 17, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
Three years on I've had a "whaddya know?" moment. Various sources list "Marlyn Dorren Hall" as a composer of various pieces of game show music. Leave it to Google to set me straight. I entered "Marlyn Dorren Hall" and it asked me if I meant "Marilyn Doreen Hall". I clicked on the link and learned that Marilyn is actress Joanna Gleason's mother, which would make her Mrs. Monty Hall. Whaddya know? Here is her discography on TVPMM:

http://www.tvpmm.com/documents/77.html (http://\"http://www.tvpmm.com/documents/77.html\")

Monty's oral history remains a fascinating watch and can be found somewhere on the web.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: Jumpondees on November 18, 2008, 01:28:42 AM
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Monty's oral history remains a fascinating watch and can be found somewhere on the web.
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Must be a slow night on Skin-a-max if we're watching anyone's oral anything.

*DUCKS*
*Slowly skates to the iso booth to feel two minutes of shame*
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: chris319 on November 19, 2008, 04:37:11 AM
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Must be a slow night on Skin-a-max if we're watching anyone's oral anything.
X-Tube.
Title: Game Show Music Tidbit
Post by: ClockGameJohn on November 19, 2008, 08:54:16 PM
Chris,

You do know that the Monday Night Football theme is credited to B. Prickett, don't you?

;)