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Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Timsterino on August 11, 2003, 03:56:47 AM
The story is on Steve Beverly's website. Apparently GSN is making a special to air October 1 with five of the candidates facing off and the winner of a GSN web poll receiving a $21,200 campaign contribution.

Sounds like a fun show.

Tim :-)
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: whampyl03 on August 11, 2003, 05:22:49 AM
Sounds rather interesting.  Strange, but interesting.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: dmota104 on August 11, 2003, 06:39:06 AM
You mean GSN isn't going to do \"candidates' week\" on \"Russian Roulette\"?  If they did, RR could give new meaning to the phrase \"dropping out of the race\".

Sorry folks -- I'm more interested in the picture of Thom McKee and his family.  Scroll down TVgameshows.net and you find Thom, Jenny and their three sons -- ready for action (oops, wrong show).
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Timsterino on August 11, 2003, 10:23:58 AM
I wonder what GSN is going to do about giving EVERY candidate \"Equal Time\"\"? Doesn't it have to be offered per FCC rules?

Tim :-)
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Robair on August 11, 2003, 10:30:42 AM
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 09:23 AM\'] I wonder what GSN is going to do about giving EVERY candidate "Equal Time""? Doesn't it have to be offered per FCC rules?

Tim :-) [/quote]
 Probably not if all the candidates are taken from the looney bin section of your local legislature, such as Gary Coleman and that porn star (or, in Prof-speak, \"actress\") Mary Carey who's also committed to the race (I think GSN would likely get her on for eye appeal).

But if they don't we'll have uncomfortable moments like this on the overnights.

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\"I want to kleeeeen howwwwwz!\"
\"Paid for by Schwarzenegger for Governor!\"

\"Hi! Im Patsy!\"
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: PeterMarshallFan on August 11, 2003, 12:57:50 PM
Another piece of crap I won't be watching.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: urbanpreppie05 on August 11, 2003, 01:01:38 PM
This may be interesting to watch-It's not like it's going to be a regular show, and everyone knows, especially all 53 million Californians, that the current \"Race\" for governor is a load of BS. Hmmm. May have to check this out.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 11, 2003, 01:40:34 PM
Well, it sounds nice, but what does this show have to do with reviews of new video games?  They should call the show \"Total Recall.\"
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: DrBear on August 11, 2003, 03:53:41 PM
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 09:23 AM\'] I wonder what GSN is going to do about giving EVERY candidate "Equal Time"? Doesn't it have to be offered per FCC rules?
 [/quote]
 Answering a question with a question - do national cable networks fall under equal-time rules?
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: PeterMarshallFan on August 11, 2003, 03:58:12 PM
Plain and simple, this idea is crap. GSN is [quite distastefully, but taste apparently went out the door months ago] taking advantage of a controversial situation and hucking it to get ratings.

And similiar to the video game block, they can't take the heat at their boards.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: ilb4ever2000 on August 11, 2003, 04:03:33 PM
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Plain and simple, this idea is crap. GSN is [quite distastefully, but taste apparently went out the door months ago] taking advantage of a controversial situation and hucking it to get ratings.

I agree, to an extent. But it's not like this hasn't been turned into a silly media circus already.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: PeterMarshallFan on August 11, 2003, 04:07:20 PM
[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 04:03 PM\']
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Plain and simple, this idea is crap. GSN is [quite distastefully, but taste apparently went out the door months ago] taking advantage of a controversial situation and hucking it to get ratings.

I agree, to an extent. But it's not like this hasn't been turned into a silly media circus already. [/quote]
 Which is part of my problem. It's all over the place already, and GSN once was the only place to get away from it.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: ilb4ever2000 on August 11, 2003, 04:13:50 PM
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Which is part of my problem. It's all over the place already, and GSN once was the only place to get away from it.

But hey, this is the same network that now embraces should-have-been-long-forgotten reality show contestants as celebrities. At least it's not a special about the Kobe Bryant case. *shudders*
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: PeterMarshallFan on August 11, 2003, 04:30:56 PM
[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 04:13 PM\']
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Which is part of my problem. It's all over the place already, and GSN once was the only place to get away from it.

But hey, this is the same network that now embraces should-have-been-long-forgotten reality show contestants as celebrities. At least it's not a special about the Kobe Bryant case. *shudders* [/quote]
 Don't give them ideas, dammit! They'll have Fremantle screw up TTTT for a Kobe special!
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Timsterino on August 11, 2003, 06:42:59 PM
As long as it is a one time special it does not bother me. I like it when they mix things up a bit.

Tim :-)
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: uncamark on August 11, 2003, 06:52:14 PM
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 05:42 PM\']As long as it is a one time special it does not bother me. I like it when they mix things up a bit.[/quote]
Agreed.  The whole situation can't be more ridiculous than it is already--and it sounds like it should be a fun two hours of mocking something that can't be mocked too much, in my view.

I hope they get Walberg to host--depending on who'll be the contestants, they'll probably need more than a few of his patented withering glances from \"Russian Roulette.\"  If they could get Tom Bergeron, even better--he would definitely have a lot of fun with the whole silliness.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: ChuckNet on August 12, 2003, 03:06:55 PM
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But hey, this is the same network that now embraces should-have-been-long-forgotten reality show contestants as celebrities.

Although I still say they should give Jill Nikki a spot on some future ep of Celebrity Cram... :-)

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: SplitSecond on August 12, 2003, 04:51:34 PM
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I hope they get Walberg to host--depending on who'll be the contestants, they'll probably need more than a few of his patented withering glances from \"Russian Roulette.\" If they could get Tom Bergeron, even better--he would definitely have a lot of fun with the whole silliness.

My uneducated guess: Kennedy.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: SRIV94 on August 12, 2003, 05:51:09 PM
[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 02:53 PM\'] [quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Aug 11 2003, 09:23 AM\'] I wonder what GSN is going to do about giving EVERY candidate \"Equal Time\"? Doesn't it have to be offered per FCC rules?
 [/quote]
Answering a question with a question - do national cable networks fall under equal-time rules? [/quote]
From the Associated Press:

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Arnold Schwarzenegger's foray into California's gubernatorial recall election poses a dilemma for broadcasters who might be tempted to show his films during the race: Doing so would allow rival candidates to demand equal time.

For that reason, broadcasters in California will likely not air Schwarzenegger movies such as \"Total Recall\" and the \"Terminator\" or a repeat of a \"Diff'rent Strokes\" episode with Gary Coleman for the next few months.

Cable channels are not covered by the Federal Communications Commission's equal-time provision, which in the past kept reruns of \"Death Valley Days\" off the air while Ronald Reagan ran for president. A repeat of a \"Saturday Night Live\" episode featuring Don Novello, aka Father Guido Sarducci, on cable, for instance, would not trigger the provision.

Novello, Schwarzenegger, Coleman and more than 240 other candidates have filed to run in the Oct. 7 election to recall Gov. Gray Davis. The equal-time rule kicks in on Wednesday, when the state is expected to officially certify the list of candidates.

 
The major networks do not have a Schwarzenegger movie scheduled over the next two months, but local stations can make their own decisions about what to air.

The National Association of Broadcasters sent an alert to its California members reminding them about the consequences of the equal-time provision. The provision would also apply to stations in neighboring states that reach a sizable number of California voters.

\"It's doubtful Arnold's movies will be shown on local broadcast stations between now and the election,\" said Dennis Wharton, an NAB spokesman.

Equal time is not automatic. Candidates must file a request within seven days, and the provision makes exceptions for appearances on news programs, interview programs such as \"Meet the Press,\" documentaries or spot coverage of news events.

The FCC has ruled in the past that shows such as \"Entertainment Tonight\" and \"Access Hollywood,\" which are likely to devote a lot of air time to the celebrity aspect of the election, qualify as news shows.

The number of candidates in California's recall race makes equal-time concerns even more thorny. The one candidate with questionable standing? Gray Davis.

California's recall statute does not recognize Davis as a candidate in the recall election, but the FCC most likely would, based on a previous ruling.

The Oct. 7 ballot will ask voters if they want to recall Davis, but his name will not appear on the list of replacement candidates. The FCC ruled in a similar recall situation that it would be unfair not to give the incumbent an equal chance to answer his critics.

The rule also requires broadcasters and radio stations to offer candidates their lowest advertising rates, a right that would be given to Davis along with the other candidates based on the FCC's previous ruling.

Celebrity candidacies have led to broadcasting dilemmas in the past.

In 2000, some CBS affiliates in East Texas had to pre-empt some rerun episodes of \"Walker, Texas Ranger,\" because character actor Noble Willingham, who appeared as a bartender on the show, was running for Congress.

When Reagan ran for California governor in the 1960s, the show \"Death Valley Days\" took on a different host to avoid being essentially barred from the air.

In 1972, NBC aired a Doris Day movie in which comedian Pat Paulsen appeared for 30 seconds. Because Paulsen had launched a satiric presidential campaign, he was ruled a legitimate candidate. Two Republican candidates requested and got 30 seconds in the same time slot as a result.

-30-

Doug -- Approaching 100 posts (oh, no, not this again ;-D)
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Timsterino on August 12, 2003, 06:23:47 PM
Thanks Doug. I was wondering about that, now I know. :-)

Tim :-)
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: TheInquisitiveOne on August 12, 2003, 07:22:29 PM
I thought that GSN had higher standards than this. Boy, was I wrong.

When you do a show that involves one of the darkest points in political history and includes an Austrian action star, a porn king, a porn starlet, and a washed-up child star, you have hit rock bottom. Never mind the fact that their idea of celebrities involve Z-list reality people and forgotten people of the past.

The Inquisitive One
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: trainman on August 12, 2003, 10:09:41 PM
Well, this show got GSN mentioned in two different sections of today's L.A. Times, so it's obviously having the intended effect of getting more publicity for the network, if nothing else.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: uncamark on August 13, 2003, 06:05:20 PM
[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' date=\'Aug 12 2003, 06:22 PM\']When you do a show that involves one of the darkest points in political history and includes an Austrian action star, a porn king, a porn starlet, and a washed-up child star, you have hit rock bottom. Never mind the fact that their idea of celebrities involve Z-list reality people and forgotten people of the past.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but although I'm not one of those people who'll make comments about \"the land of fruits and nuts\" and tell someone to \"go back to San Francisco,\" there is a certain sense of schadenfreude that comes over many of us non-Californians about this whole mess--and that there was the feeling that sooner or later the most over-referendaed of all states would have the ultimate referendum when someone could call for recall of an official and make it stick.  And you have to just shake your head when a state in as deep a financial hole as California drops even more money for this folly.

What you have to realize is that GSN will not be entirely looking for \"celebs\"--either A-list or Z-list.  They're looking for the kooks who've filed, the people who could've gone on \"The Name's the Same\" like Michael Jackson and Edward Kennedy, anyone who'll be entertaining.  (If AH-nold wants to do it, I'm sure they wouldn't turn him down, though.)  Sure, it's not exactly C-SPAN--but this whole election isn't C-SPAN.

And as Jim said, GSN is getting invaluable publicity from this stunt than they could ever get in a million \"Match Game\" or \"Twenty-One\" marathons (or, for that matter, video game show blocks).  Good on 'em (and I *am* looking to Oct. 1).
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: clemon79 on August 13, 2003, 07:12:57 PM
[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' date=\'Aug 12 2003, 04:22 PM\'] When you do a show that involves one of the darkest points in political history [/quote]
 What's so dark about it? The people decided that their leader sucks, so instead of enduring it, they rose as one, declared that they would not tolerate it anymore, and they're trying to get the guy thrown out on his ass. Sounds like a bright point in democracy to me.
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: Brandon Brooks on August 13, 2003, 08:36:43 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 13 2003, 06:12 PM\'] What's so dark about it? The people decided that their leader sucks, so instead of enduring it, they rose as one, declared that they would not tolerate it anymore, and they're trying to get the guy thrown out on his ass. Sounds like a bright point in democracy to me. [/quote]
 It's dark because it's rather dumb.  I agree with Mark though; I do get a kind of sadistic pleasure out of seeing a whole state do something so foolish.

I never wonder why other countries laugh at our stupidity.  What I wonder is why other countries try so hard to be like us.

Brandon Brooks
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: SplitSecond on August 15, 2003, 08:44:49 PM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Aug 12 2003, 01:51 PM\']
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I hope they get Walberg to host--depending on who'll be the contestants, they'll probably need more than a few of his patented withering glances from "Russian Roulette." If they could get Tom Bergeron, even better--he would definitely have a lot of fun with the whole silliness.

My uneducated guess: Kennedy. [/quote]
 http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/...1|,00.html (http://\"http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|82927|1|,00.html\")

Perhaps I should go sit down in a room and predict the outcome of a hundred coin flips.

\"Edge.\"
Title: Debating Game: GSN enters California Gov. race
Post by: uncamark on August 17, 2003, 06:13:56 PM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Aug 15 2003, 07:44 PM\'][quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Aug 12 2003, 01:51 PM\']
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I hope they get Walberg to host--depending on who'll be the contestants, they'll probably need more than a few of his patented withering glances from \"Russian Roulette.\" If they could get Tom Bergeron, even better--he would definitely have a lot of fun with the whole silliness.

My uneducated guess: Kennedy. [/quote]
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/...1|,00.html (http://\"http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|82927|1|,00.html\")[/quote]
From the Zap2It article:

At the press conference, Kennedy led Coleman and Carey, whose most printable film title is \"Big Blowout,\" in a mock round of the game. The two buzzed in to answer questions about California politics and history.

After both missed a question asking for the name of the first film shot in Los Angeles (answer: \"In the Sultan's Power,\" 1909), Coleman said, \"Okay, so we suck at movie trivia.\" To which Kennedy replied, \"I think Mary sucks on a whole lot more than movie trivia.\"

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That's our Lisa!

(And of course the Perfesser didn't include this in his article.)