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Does anybody have a TV Guide with the weeks of September 1-5 or September 8-12, 1975? I'm doing some research into TPIR's airdates that probably none of you care about, and it would really help if I knew for sure which one of those weeks the trial hour-long shows aired during. The prevailing notion seems to be Labor Day week, but the production numbers don't match up with that, and I found an ATGS post by David Hammett from 1996 where he says that it was actually the following week.
So...anyone feel like helping?
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September 8-12 was the week of the hour-long shows.
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Awesome. Muchas gracias.
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CBS premiered "Give-N-Take" the week that TPIR experimented with an hour format; there was a half-page ad mentioning both shows in TV Guide's 1975 Fall Preview Issue which I still have. The previous Monday was Labor Day, the only day (so far) I ever got to watch "Spin-Off", which was to end its run four days later.
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So, if I assume correctly, Give-N-Take was new at 10:00 on 9/8, Price was on for an hour at 10:30, preempting Gambit for this experimental week... and Curt Alliaume's schedule grid corroborates the 9/8/75 date. Bravo detective work all around.
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So, if I assume correctly, Give-N-Take was new at 10:00 on 9/8, Price was on for an hour at 10:30, preempting Gambit for this experimental week... and Curt Alliaume's schedule grid corroborates the 9/8/75 date.
When "Price" expanded to an hour permanently on Nov 3, 1975, CBS moved "Give-N-Take" to the 4 p.m. slot. I can't think of too many other shows that have led off the day, and then were moved to end the day. I guess it didn't really matter - "Give-N-Take" was gone by Nov 26, 1975 to make room for "All in the Family" reruns.
I know it's been wondered in the past why CBS didn't delay the debut of "Give-N-Take" to the 15th rather than pre-empt "Gambit" for that week.
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I know it's been wondered in the past why CBS didn't delay the debut of "Give-N-Take" to the 15th rather than pre-empt "Gambit" for that week.
Especially since GNT was a rather weak game to begin with...the set was cool, and the Stan Worth theme music pretty catchy, but not much else.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jul 13 2005, 06:19 PM\']Especially since GNT was a rather weak game to begin with...the set was cool, and the Stan Worth theme music pretty catchy, but not much else.
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Well, there is some novelty to seeing four women screaming mad at an arrow going around in circles, etc etc... but there isn't much to this game, one can see why it failed... too gimmicky.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Jul 13 2005, 09:34 PM\'][quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jul 13 2005, 06:19 PM\']Especially since GNT was a rather weak game to begin with...the set was cool, and the Stan Worth theme music pretty catchy, but not much else.
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Well, there is some novelty to seeing four women screaming mad at an arrow going around in circles, etc etc... but there isn't much to this game, one can see why it failed... too gimmicky.
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How'd it get on in the first place? Or was Spin-Off doing so poorly CBS knew something else--anything else!!!!--would be an improvement. Or so they thought. I was watching Celebrity Sweepstakes at that half-hour anyway.
I do recall promos plugging the first $10000 Super Spin-Off winning couple were shown on prime time the night before the big win during Hawaii Five-O. The networks were spoiling finishes even then.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 13 2005, 11:15 PM\']How'd it get on in the first place?
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One thing that could be said about Carruthers' shows; whether you agree or not if they had strong gameplay, they definitely had solid production values.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Jul 13 2005, 10:33 PM\']
One thing that could be said about Carruthers' shows; whether you agree or not if they had strong gameplay, they definitely had solid production values.
Tyshaun
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Something, i'd imagine, housewives in the 70s couldn't care less about.
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[quote name=\'DjohnsonCB\' date=\'Jul 12 2005, 09:46 PM\']CBS premiered "Give-N-Take" the week that TPIR experimented with an hour format; there was a half-page ad mentioning both shows in TV Guide's 1975 Fall Preview Issue which I still have. The previous Monday was Labor Day, the only day (so far) I ever got to watch "Spin-Off", which was to end its run four days later.
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The weekly primetime Match Game PM bowed in syndication on New York City's ABC affiliate WABC-TV Channel 7 @ 7:30pm (EDT) on September 8; it sprouted on several other ABC stations throughout the nation during this week.
It certainly wasn't host Jim Lange's time to howl, what with 2 back-to-back CBS Daytime game shows under his belt---Spin-Off and Give-N-Take---and having both of them bomb within the same year.
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 03:30 PM\']The weekly primetime Match Game PM bowed in syndication on New York City's ABC affiliate WABC-TV Channel 7 @ 7:30pm (EDT) on September 8; it sprouted on several other ABC stations throughout the nation during this week.
It certainly wasn't host Jim Lange's time to howl, what with 2 back-to-back CBS Daytime game shows under his belt---Spin-Off and Give-N-Take---and having both of them bomb within the same year.
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Hell, they collectively bombed within six months. There was even the embarrassment of being kicked down to 4:00pm for the final three weeks.
In Baltimore, Match Game PM premiered on the Wednesday of that week on NBC affiliate WBAL-TV Channel 11 on your dial following Bowling For Dollars starring Ron Riley.
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 03:30 PM\']It certainly wasn't host Jim Lange's time to howl, what with 2 back-to-back CBS Daytime game shows under his belt---Spin-Off and Give-N-Take---and having both of them bomb within the same year.
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Just like all of his other shows, save for Dating Game (and Gawd knows he didn't have much to do with that gameplay).... It's one thing for a good host to save a bad game, or a good game to overshadow a bad host, but most of the time, Jim was a bad host in front of a bad game.
Housewifes screaming in front of a spinner? Please.
June Lockhart gives definitions for cheap prizes? Yawn.
Couples play "wheel" without a wheel, for a million bucks? Lame.
Name That Tune gets revived with a host who couldn't adlib off of cue-cards? Yowza.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 01:51 PM\']Name That Tune gets revived with a host who couldn't adlib off of cue-cards? Yowza.
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Line Of The Day.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 03:50 PM\']In Baltimore, Match Game PM premiered on the Wednesday of that week on NBC affiliate WBAL-TV Channel 11 on your dial following Bowling For Dollars starring Ron Riley.
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The same Ron Riley who was a top rock jock at WLS in the mid-1960s (I seem to recall some nugget about him going to Baltimore after leaving Chicago, but I'm not sure if that was accurate)?
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 04:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 03:50 PM\']In Baltimore, Match Game PM premiered on the Wednesday of that week on NBC affiliate WBAL-TV Channel 11 on your dial following Bowling For Dollars starring Ron Riley.
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The same Ron Riley who was a top rock jock at WLS in the mid-1960s (I seem to recall some nugget about him going to Baltimore after leaving Chicago, but I'm not sure if that was accurate)?
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Same guy. I believe he's still doing weather out in Baltimore at WBAL. (When I was in Washington a couple of years ago, for some reason the cable picks up WBAL and I could've seen him, if I'd remembered and caught him at the right time. Still got a look at Mac MacGarry and "It's Academic" on WRC, though.)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 04:58 PM\'](When I was in Washington a couple of years ago, for some reason the cable picks up WBAL and I could've seen him, if I'd remembered and caught him at the right time. Still got a look at Mac MacGarry and "It's Academic" on WRC, though.)
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Those in the know can answer: Wouldn't cable systems in Washington have to pick up Baltimore stations due to the must-carry rule and the proximity of the two cities?
(Those not in the know please don't answer, even though I know this warning won't stop some of you from trying. :-)
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Jul 16 2005, 10:11 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 15 2005, 04:58 PM\'](When I was in Washington a couple of years ago, for some reason the cable picks up WBAL and I could've seen him, if I'd remembered and caught him at the right time. Still got a look at Mac MacGarry and "It's Academic" on WRC, though.)
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Those in the know can answer: Wouldn't cable systems in Washington have to pick up Baltimore stations due to the must-carry rule and the proximity of the two cities?
(Those not in the know please don't answer, even though I know this warning won't stop some of you from trying. :-)
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Must-carry applies only to stations in the cable system's designated market area; since Baltimore and Washington are in separate DMAs, Baltimore stations can't demand must-carry in DC. A DC cable system may be able to carry Baltimore stations as "significantly viewed" channels under certain conditions, and here, proximity to Baltimore is a factor -- but the Baltimore stations couldn't demand it.
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Cable companies that show two markets of networks have long been the battleground between the affiliates, especially where money from ad revenue is concerned....Growing up in Miami, we used to get the Palm Beach stations on our cable...no more....
More pertinent to the query : Going to school in DC, I had both DC & Balto networks on our cable....that died a few years ago (10?).... I believe it was NBC4 in DC (an O&O) that first complained openly about losing viewers to (at the time) NBC2 in Baltimore...resulting in the removal of them on the cable box....
Nowadays, here in CT... I get both Hartford & NYC stations on my Comcast....it's the ONLY reason I like Comcast....
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Years ago down here (when I lived here as a child the *FIRST* time), the cable company (two pre-buyouts ago, when it was Sammons) carried the Harrisburg stations, naturally, but also the 3 Baltimore network channels, and all of the Phily channels (except for PBS). These days, it's now Comcast and the only network channels it carries are from Harrisburg (with the exception of WPIX-11 (WB, NY) and WPHL-17 (WB, Philly)).
Ironically, it's the first time I've lived somewhere and had cable where I *didn't* have more than one of each major network. Then again, I was never this close (I'm just over the river from Harrisburg, a TV market) to one.
ObGameShow: Back when it was Sammons, they had KYW-3 which carried CS reruns at 12:30pm.
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Here, People's Cable brought in the Big 3 networks from Buffalo and NBC from Syracuse. Since WROC (then NBC) didn't carry Blockbusters, Las Vegas Gambit, or the earlier episodes of MG-HS and Go, and WHEC (then CBS) didn't carry Press Your Luck except during a brief power outage, the only way to see these shows was via cable or a combination of perfect weather and a really good antenna. (I still maintain that WHEC's refusal to carry PYL was a public service, but that's a topic for another thread. ;-)
When I lived in Buffalo years later, the Buffalo affiliates loved to pre-empt their respective networks on a regular basis; the CBS affiliate often pre-empted the CBS Evening News for infomercials, to give just one of many examples. For a while TCI offered what it called "network additions" -- it would carry the Erie affiliates while those stations were airing network programming that the Buffalo affiliates didn't carry -- but that came to an end with the 1992 Cable Act.
I wasn't able to get multiple affiliates of a network regularly again until I got my dish, and at least for now, I still have them.