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Hello!
I've been thinking of this scenario for a little while but here it is
If Viacom bought GSN, what do you think they might change or get rid of?
For example, I'm thinking they would get rid of the squeezed credits and fee plug omissions and instead replace it with voiceover promos (that would be after the fee plugs have wrapped up of course)
Oh, one more thing, I also think they would also let us see the whole closing of each show without being cut off in the middle (fee plugs and credits)
I'd also recently thought that if Viacom did buy GSN, they would merge it into MTV Networks.
BTW, the media giant would restore GSN under its former origin and rename it Game Show Channel.
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You probably haven't seen Nickelodeon lately, another channel under Viacom/MTV's watch -- that channel now uses retyped credits at the end of their shows; recently started using ratings bugs that take up 1/3 of the screen; and has a bad reputation by showing the same episodes over and over again, frequently changing schedules, showing the same marathons, hardly showing any unpopular stuff, and not showing special progarms that they actually promoed on TV.
Believe me -- you don't want Viacom running GSN, especially as part of the MTV family.
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If Viacom bought GSN, they'd probably have a daily show dedicated to Big Brother in the summer. They'd also probably bring Survivor and Amazing Race reruns back and make the channel even more reality-based than people had feared before. They'd attempt to out-fox Fox Reality and would be able to leapfrog their number of homes.
Viacom is not your savior. They would squeeze credits just like they do on all their other channels.
But they're also unlikely to make a move right now. Viacom is currently close to a corporate shuffle where CBS and Viacom are due to spin off, so they're probably not looking hard at acquistions now and concentrating on making what they have work.
But really, what are you basing your pie-in-the-sky dreams on? There is no Santa Claus, the tooth fairy was your mom, and GSN will remain GSN.
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'May 28 2005, 11:50 PM\']There is no Santa Claus, the tooth fairy was your mom, and GSN will remain GSN.
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There's not? Thanks for runining my day!
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'May 28 2005, 08:50 PM\']If Viacom bought GSN, they'd probably have a daily show dedicated to Big Brother in the summer. They'd also probably bring Survivor and Amazing Race reruns back and make the channel even more reality-based than people had feared before. They'd attempt to out-fox Fox Reality and would be able to leapfrog their number of homes.
Viacom is not your savior. They would squeeze credits just like they do on all their other channels.
But they're also unlikely to make a move right now. Viacom is currently close to a corporate shuffle where CBS and Viacom are due to spin off, so they're probably not looking hard at acquistions now and concentrating on making what they have work.
But really, what are you basing your pie-in-the-sky dreams on? There is no Santa Claus, the tooth fairy was your mom, and GSN will remain GSN.
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If you believe in more reality reruns so much, go ask Summer Redstone
He would think it would be nice to make another acquisition and he would agree with me to get rid of squeezed credits and fee plug omissions and do voiceover promos and full closings of each show.
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[quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' date=\'May 29 2005, 09:03 PM\']If you believe in more reality reruns so much, go ask Summer Redstone
He would think it would be nice to make another acquisition and he would agree with me to get rid of squeezed credits and fee plug omissions and do voiceover promos and full closings of each show.
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And you know this, how? Have you spoken with Mr. Redstone lately? (If so, please ask him to stop by; I think I can speak for Matt and Chris that we'd love to have him visit, and we'd expedite his membership approval so that he can share his wisdom with us.)
Viacom wants to do exactly what every other media conglomerate wants to do: make as much money as possible from what it owns. If that means shrinking credits and reducing or eliminating show closings -- and it has been explained to you already that they are doing that right now -- then that's what they're going to do. If you have actual evidence (not opinion, but evidence) that Mr. Redstone believes otherwise, please share it.
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Viacom having GSN has crossed my mind only because they program TVLand to older viewers with longer memories.
In a perfect world GSN would be TVLand's similarly programed sibling network.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'May 29 2005, 08:59 PM\']Viacom having GSN has crossed my mind only because they program TVLand to older viewers with longer memories.
In a perfect world GSN would be TVLand's similarly programed sibling network.
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Gee....I wonder what the two have in common.......
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Viacom having GSN has crossed my mind only because they program TVLand to older viewers with longer memories.
Though of course, TV Land is now showing more recent stuff, such as "Ren & Stimpy" and "Night Court".
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'May 29 2005, 11:56 PM\']
Viacom having GSN has crossed my mind only because they program TVLand to older viewers with longer memories.
Though of course, TV Land is now showing more recent stuff, such as "Ren & Stimpy" and "Night Court".
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"Night Court"? Cool. When did A&E give up the rights?
ObGameShow: Let's see...Markie Post was a damn good Pyramid player...Richard Moll did Cross-Wits (and pretended to choke a contestant)..."You are human sweat!"
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"Night Court"? Cool. When did A&E give up the rights?
Recently, I guess -- according to a Tv Land's site, Night Court's slated to begin on TV Land "later this year" (though rumors state that it'll start in August). It will make an appearance on Nick-At-Nite in June, when they celebrate their 20th anniversary with a marathon of various comedy series that appeared on network TV in 1985.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 29 2005, 10:20 PM\']ObGameShow: Let's see...Markie Post was a damn good Pyramid player...Richard Moll did Cross-Wits (and pretended to choke a contestant)..."You are human sweat!"
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Richard Moll did a fair amount of Super Password, as well, which was often entertaining because he would do the show when Night Court was on hiatus, and during hiatus he would let his VERY BLACK hair grow back in. :)
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[quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' date=\'May 29 2005, 08:03 PM\']
If you believe in more reality reruns so much, go ask Summer Redstone
He would think it would be nice to make another acquisition and he would agree with me to get rid of squeezed credits and fee plug omissions and do voiceover promos and full closings of each show.
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Pure speculation. Period.
What is it with the cult of children who MUST have their credits un-squeezed? Seriously, am I not getting it? What's the big deal?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 30 2005, 03:28 AM\'][quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' date=\'May 29 2005, 08:03 PM\']
If you believe in more reality reruns so much, go ask Summer Redstone
He would think it would be nice to make another acquisition and he would agree with me to get rid of squeezed credits and fee plug omissions and do voiceover promos and full closings of each show.
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Pure speculation. Period.
What is it with the cult of children who MUST have their credits un-squeezed? Seriously, am I not getting it? What's the big deal?
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Because it's not enough to just have reruns of classic shows. That would make too much sense. Everything needs to be perfect for the fanbois. That way, they can have "clean" eps. for their collection! W00t! R0xx0rs! D0UBLE THE P0INTS!!!
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What is it with the cult of children who MUST have their credits un-squeezed? Seriously, am I not getting it? What's the big deal?
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They envy we older folk who were raised on shows with full opening themes, full closing themes, no bugs in the corner, cool ticket plugs, and want their TV like that, too!!
Sorry, lads and lassies. Those days will NEVER come back. In a 1,000-channel universe (I've upgraded it from 500-channel.....That's so 90's), the networks do not want you to find anything else on the other 999 channels, so they keep and hold you with quick closing credits, and they want you to know what channel out of those 1,000 you're watching, too...
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What'll probably happen in a distant future is that we'll go back to the way it was and people will lament "Remember the good ol days when they used to squeeze the credits? And why did they get rid of the bugs? I miss those!"
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 30 2005, 10:25 AM\']What'll probably happen in a distant future is that we'll go back to the way it was and people will lament "Remember the good ol days when they used to squeeze the credits? And why did they get rid of the bugs? I miss those!"
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What will probably happen (not that I'm encouraging this, mind you, and I hope it DOESN'T hapen) is that it turns into a thread with Mario500 leading his "crusade"...
Attempting to steer this back on track, I could only hope maybe one day TVLand would add a small game show block and dust off the Cullen Pyramid tapes..
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'May 30 2005, 09:30 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 30 2005, 10:25 AM\']What'll probably happen in a distant future is that we'll go back to the way it was and people will lament "Remember the good ol days when they used to squeeze the credits? And why did they get rid of the bugs? I miss those!"
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What will probably happen (not that I'm encouraging this, mind you, and I hope it DOESN'T hapen) is that it turns into a thread with Mario500 leading his "crusade"...
Attempting to steer this back on track, I could only hope maybe one day TVLand would add a small game show block and dust off the Cullen Pyramid tapes..
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I would agree about the Cullen Pyramids. Maybe they could do a mini marathon with some of the TV icons (Freddie Prinze, Penny Marshall, Caren Kaye...Um I mean Mike Farrell...)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 30 2005, 10:33 AM\']
I would agree about the Cullen Pyramids. Maybe they could do a mini marathon with some of the TV icons (Freddie Prinze, Penny Marshall, Caren Kaye...Um I mean Mike Farrell...)
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I don't remember seeing this, but in my Feb. 17-23 1979 issue of TVG, Pyramid had celebrity couples week, with four celebrity couples playing per day. I've also noticed as well that the $20,000 Pyramid had a lot of TVG ads back in the day...
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 30 2005, 04:28 AM\']What is it with the cult of children who MUST have their credits un-squeezed? Seriously, am I not getting it? What's the big deal?
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Better watch it, Matt... I hear that after credits and original commercials, the next thing to get squeezed out will be weather guys. The sports guys will be kicked out next, and soon local newscasts will consist of just one anchor holding up a huge logo for the whole program.
(Checking watch... how long before one of the credit critters asks me "is this really true?")
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 30 2005, 10:02 AM\'](Checking watch... how long before one of the credit critters asks me "is this really true?")
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Is this really true?
47 minutes. :)
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'May 30 2005, 11:49 AM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 30 2005, 10:02 AM\'](Checking watch... how long before one of the credit critters asks me "is this really true?")
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Is this really true?
47 minutes. :)
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
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Doesn't count, Doug. You are not, nor have you ever been, a credit critter. :-P
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When I began taping programs for personal viewings in the early 1990s, there were very few on-screen graphics appearing at some point of a show. Long after the TV rating system was put in place in 1996, I began taping programs without the opening credits, mainly to save recording space on a VHS tape. Now that the rating logos have become larger, they are no longer any different from the animated graphics, large logos, tickers, and "split-screen credits" that make up television today. A company such as Viacom must first realize that many viewers in general, not just the so-called cults and "fanbois", simply want to view the program without interruption. Digital video discs shouldn't be the only way we view shows (especially game shows with hundreds or thousands of shows) without interruption nowadays, the same should remain when it comes to television.
Hopefully the next generation of TV viewers will realize that most of these on-screen "bugs" enforced by large companies like Viacom were not a necessity before their time and should tell the people behind the station that "enough it enough".
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[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'May 30 2005, 12:39 PM\']Hopefully the next generation of TV viewers will realize that most of these on-screen "bugs" enforced by large companies like Viacom were not a necessity before their time and should tell the people behind the station that "enough it enough".
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Hopefully you will realize that there's no way that what you want is ever going to happen, because there's too much money at stake and too few people who care.
(And hopefully the rest of this board will realize that since Mario500 doesn't and never will care about reality, there really is no need to turn this into another 50-page "bash the clueless credit critter" thread.)
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Yeah, the Cullen Pyramid would be good to see.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 30 2005, 10:02 AM\'](Checking watch... how long before one of the credit critters asks me "is this really true?")
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The correct answer, boys and girl, was 1:37.
Now back to me reviewing data on the "Pizza Hut Storm Team Doppler...now 2 Pepperoni Pizzas for $9.99"!
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 30 2005, 02:02 PM\']Now back to me reviewing data on the "Pizza Hut Storm Team Doppler...now 2 Pepperoni Pizzas for $9.99"!
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I fear that may be closer to reality than we think.
GSN doesn't do this as often as they used to, but sometimes they'd jump from commercials right to promos, which are essentially commercials to Joe Sixpack. By the half-hour, he's found something else to get his attention--at least until the next set of commercials sends him for the remote again. The only way cable networks are going to make any kind of sufficient ad revenue without compressing or editing is to actually put the commercials within the show, by split-screen and crawl or something. Again, this day will come. (No, the in-show promos we have now don't count because networks receive nothing for telling viewers what's on two weeks from Thursday at 5:38am.)
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'May 30 2005, 04:52 PM\'] The only way cable networks are going to make any kind of sufficient ad revenue without compressing or editing is to actually put the commercials within the show, by split-screen and crawl or something. Again, this day will come. (No, the in-show promos we have now don't count because networks receive nothing for telling viewers what's on two weeks from Thursday at 5:38am.)
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Already happened. 1995 : The Dana Carvey Mug Root Beer Comedy Show. ABC Primetime. Lasted less than 13 weeks I recall....
Dog Eat Dog : "Lets check out the Circuit City Big Screen..."
Survivor : What ISN'T Product placement there? Same as Trumps show.
And yes, MANY Local news stations have sponsors for their Radars to offset the cost....Our Snow Storm Watch ticker (you know, school/bingo night cancellations ) is sponsored, as is our nightly sports ticker. It's ALL revenue in the end....
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 30 2005, 04:21 PM\']Dog Eat Dog : "Lets check out the Circuit City Big Screen..."
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And the NetZero Clock! Don't forget the NetZero Clock! :)
Survivor : What ISN'T Product placement there? Same as Trumps show.
Which reminds me again of one of the great product-placement gaffes of all time on this last Apprentice cycle: for those who weren't watching, they signed on Domino's to sponsor a task where the contestants would invent a new pizza and sell it. Both teams happened to come up with meatball pizzas, and Trump lauded them afterward for having such an ingeniousal idea, and mentioned that Domino's would be actually selling a meatball pizza to the public.
Except it wasn't Domino's selling the meatball pizza. It was Papa John's. Oops.
Of course, Domino's was pissed, and instead of manning up and admitting his error, the following week Trump threw his contestants under the bus by essentially saying they were idiots for thinking up a meatball pizza, since it was a CHEESEBURGER pizza that The People wanted, which of course was the pizza Domino's was pimping.
Yeah, that's a quality I want in _MY_ boss. :)
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'May 30 2005, 09:13 AM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 30 2005, 04:28 AM\']
What is it with the cult of children who MUST have their credits un-squeezed? Seriously, am I not getting it? What's the big deal?
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They envy we older folk who were raised on shows with full opening themes, full closing themes, no bugs in the corner, cool ticket plugs, and want their TV like that, too!!
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Of the leventy billion channels on my digital signal, only American Life TV (nee Nostalgia and GoodLife) runs the closing bills unscathed--not even an off-screen network announcer's voice is heard. BBC America even began playing The Squeeze Back Game some months ago.
But if you have ALTV and want that end theme to Harry O untouched, they've got it for you.
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1995 : The Dana Carvey Mug Root Beer Comedy Show. ABC Primetime. Lasted less than 13 weeks I recall....
I think the show had a different sponsor each week -- one of the weeks, it was sponsored by Taco Bell. I think Pizza Hut sponsored another week.
All the sponsors at the time were brands of a single company -- Pepsico.
And, to be honest, I don't think the show lasted beyond a month.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 30 2005, 06:30 PM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 30 2005, 04:21 PM\']Dog Eat Dog : "Lets check out the Circuit City Big Screen..."
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And the NetZero Clock! Don't forget the NetZero Clock! :)
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And in Chicago, when Pax was airing "Supermarket Sweep," WCPX treated us to a crawl during the Big Sweep plugging Jewel, Helping Make Your Life Easier. (During the local breaks, they also ran Ruprecht doing a Jewel billboard--before Patty Heaton became Jewel/Albertson's spokesperson, much to Dave's regret, since I'm sure he would've enjoyed seeing her matched set in person.) Seems to me that WCPX ran advertising crawls for other shows--Luna Carpeting seems to stick out in my mind. (Those of you who are Chicagoans or viewers of WGN know that the Luna jingle is almost as insidious as "Eight-hundred-Five-Eight-Eight-Two-Three-Hundred-EM-PIRRREEE!")
And when in New York last year, what to my wonderment did I discover but that Empire is now a national company. You now don't even have to have WGN on your cable to know that jingle by heart.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 31 2005, 02:36 PM\']And when in New York last year, what to my wonderment did I discover but that Empire is now a national company. You now don't even have to have WGN on your cable to know that jingle by heart.
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But do you get 23 free meals at Cucina Cucina! restaurants with an auto glass replacement, that's MY question... :)