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While Ryan is very talented and was an absolute joy to work with on "Wild Animal Games", I would not have predicted this anytime soon: The former game show host, radio personality, and all-around media darling will be immortalized among Tinsel Town's most famous on April 20 at 11:30 a.m.
Discuss.
And perhaps we can list the people who do NOT have a star. I'll start: Bill Cullen.
Randy
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 15 2005, 10:18 PM\']And perhaps we can list the people who do NOT have a star. I'll start: Bill Cullen.
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Ok, I'll start...
Chuck Barris
Gene Rayburn
Johnny Olson
Don Pardo
Wink Martindale
Rod Roddy
Charles Atkins
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And perhaps we can list the people who do NOT have a star. I'll start: Bill Cullen.
I'll go a few better:
Wink Martindale
Peter Marshall
Jim Perry
Chuck Woolery
Peter Tomarken
Richard Dawson
Gene Rayburn
Jack Barry
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Lois Arneo of the Big Board!'
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 15 2005, 10:18 PM\']While Ryan is very talented and was an absolute joy to work with on "Wild Animal Games", I would not have predicted this anytime soon: The former game show host, radio personality, and all-around media darling will be immortalized among Tinsel Town's most famous on April 20 at 11:30 a.m.
Discuss.
And perhaps we can list the people who do NOT have a star. I'll start: Bill Cullen.
Randy
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I have to agree..Known mostly for a gimmicky show in which he does very little (American Idol) and a daily talk show that lasted about a season..While he has some talent..Definetly not "Walk of Fame" material.
Tim Lones
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the 'Lois Arneo of the Big Board!'
ARNEO
beep-beep-boop-boop-beep!
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He must do a **hell** of a lot of charity work for the local Hollywood community... it's my understanding that's often a factor in deciding who gets a star on the Walk of Fame.
-Kevin
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Apr 15 2005, 10:45 PM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 15 2005, 08:18 PM\']And perhaps we can list the people who do NOT have a star. I'll start: Bill Cullen.[/quote]
I'll go a few better:
Wink Martindale
Peter Marshall
Jim Perry
Chuck Woolery
Peter Tomarken
Richard Dawson
Gene Rayburn
Jack Barry
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In exact order starting with Martindale: maybe, maybe, no one outside of us would know who he is, good possibility, no, good possibility, unlikely, highly unlikely.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82 and someone else\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 02:02 AM\']Richard Dawson
good possibility
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A recluse shouldn't be eligible, IMO.
Interesting you think Dawson has a better chance than Peter Marshall--though I guess Dawson did appear on "Hogan's Heroes" and a couple other series.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 15 2005, 08:18 PM\']While Ryan is very talented and was an absolute joy to work with on "Wild Animal Games", I would not have predicted this anytime soon: The former game show host, radio personality, and all-around media darling will be immortalized among Tinsel Town's most famous on April 20 at 11:30 a.m.
Discuss.
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Ya know what? Good for him.
Say what you will (the global "you", of course, not you specifically, Randy) about him being flavor of the month, light in the loafers, or whatever else you want, but because of various and sundry burps in the television schedule, I have had occasion to watch American Idol. Don't particularly care for the way the contestants perform, the fact that they were singing songs from their birthyears had liver spots exploding on the back of my hands, but I was entertained.
Because Seacrest is a GOOD HOST. He's snappy, he's comfortable, he moves things along, you can tell he's pretty much winging it (or at least makes it look like he's winging it, which is even better). If I had a show to host, I think I would pretty much wanna do it like he does.
So it's good to see that good works are being recognized.
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From http://www.hollywoodchamber.net (http://\"http://www.hollywoodchamber.net\")
Criteria for Star on the Walk of Fame
1. Professional achievement
2. Longevity of five years in the field of entertainment
3. Contributions to the community
Plus he pays $15,000 for the plaque, etc...
How in the hell did he get picked among other applicants?
Who was he competing against? Todd Bridges? Barry Williams?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 06:07 AM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 15 2005, 08:18 PM\']While Ryan is very talented and was an absolute joy to work with on "Wild Animal Games", I would not have predicted this anytime soon: The former game show host, radio personality, and all-around media darling will be immortalized among Tinsel Town's most famous on April 20 at 11:30 a.m.
Discuss.
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Ya know what? Good for him.
Say what you will (the global "you", of course, not you specifically, Randy) about him being flavor of the month, light in the loafers, or whatever else you want, but because of various and sundry burps in the television schedule, I have had occasion to watch American Idol. Don't particularly care for the way the contestants perform, the fact that they were singing songs from their birthyears had liver spots exploding on the back of my hands, but I was entertained.
Because Seacrest is a GOOD HOST. He's snappy, he's comfortable, he moves things along, you can tell he's pretty much winging it (or at least makes it look like he's winging it, which is even better). If I had a show to host, I think I would pretty much wanna do it like he does.
So it's good to see that good works are being recognized.
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Absolutely. I enjoyed watching Click on Sunday mornings for the two season that it was on. I didn't know who Ryan was when it first premiered (Damn cable company had dropped Family Channel in 1993, after I had only seen a handful of Trivial Pursuit eps), but I thought he did a decent job. Hell, I'll go as far as to say that I'm one of the few who actually liked his show "On Air" that aired last season. I'll also go as far as saying that Bill Cullen is looking down on this accomplishment of Ryan's, smiling at his predecessor in the entertainment field.
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There you go believing Hollywood publicity again.
Criteria for Star on the Walk of Fame
1. Professional achievement
2. Longevity of five years in the field of entertainment
3. Contributions to the community
Plus he pays $15,000 for the plaque, etc...
How in the hell did he get picked among other applicants?
Reason #4.
Name 15 people who could have stars on the Walk of Fame but for writing a check in the appropriate amount to the Hollywood C of C:
Chuck Barris
Gene Rayburn
Johnny Olson
Don Pardo
Wink Martindale
Rod Roddy
Wink Martindale
Peter Marshall
Jim Perry
Chuck Woolery
Peter Tomarken
Richard Dawson
Gene Rayburn
Jack Barry
Randy West
Hey, if Wendell Niles can have a star ...
They probably wouldn't go for Pardo, who has never done a lick of work in Hollywood.
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I'm probably in the top 10 of Bill Cullen fans, but most of his best stuff was done in New York. The same would be true of Don Pardo. I'm not opposed to a star for Ryan. He's hosting the hottest show on TV right now, so why not?
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Spot check of the Walk of Fame:
Mark Goodson - Yes
Bill Todman - No
Monty Hall - Yes
Alex Trebek - Yes
Johnny Gilbert - No
Pat Sajak - Yes
Vanna White - No
Betty White - Yes
Merv Griffin - oooh, Yes
Charlie O'Donnell - surprisingly, No
Ken Jennings - No
Geoff Edwards - No
Ralph Edwards - Yes
Richard Dawson - No
Patrick Wayne - thank gawd, No
Jim Caldwell - are you kidding me?
Jm J. Bullock - pffft
Rip Taylor - Yes
Charles Nelson Reilly - No
Paul Lynde - No
Ralph Story - No
Charo - No
Kitty Carlisle - Yes (motion pictures)
Bennett Cerf - Yes (television - go figure)
Allen Ludden - Yes (what the hell for?)
Larry Blyden - No, despite being a damn decent character actor
John Daly - Yes
Bill Leyden - Yes
To prove there is no equity in Hollywood, Rusty Hamer has a star for his long and illustrious show business career playing what's-his-name on Make Room for Daddy, but Larry Mathews (Mazzeo) who played Ritchie Petrie on The Dick Van Dyke Show does not. Neither does Angela Cartwright, who not only played Hamer's sister, but also played Penny Robinson on Lost In Space. There is no justice in this world, I tell you.
I would say Ry-Ry is no more or no less deserving of a star than others who have them. Having a star on the Walk of Fame is probably a boost to the ego, until a wino vomits on it.
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On the Hollywood C of C web site there is a Walk of Fame listing for the popular band, Wind & Fire Earth. I kid you not.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 02:42 AM\']Criteria for Star on the Walk of Fame
1. Professional achievement
2. Longevity of five years in the field of entertainment
3. Contributions to the community
Plus he pays $15,000 for the plaque, etc...
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Kudos for finding one piece of the puzzle. The other piece appears nowhere in print, but is the bigger of the two.
No names here, but understand that the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce's Walk of Fame selection committee is comprised of a handful of elders, the Chairman of which has individual veto power. It's politics, and it's the biggest soap opera in Hollywood, with relationships, feuds and favors that can be traced back to the 1930s and 1940s. In some ways it's the very last vestige of "old Hollywood". Sit tight; I fully expect someone will write a book that exposes some of the intrigue once the powers that be have moved on.
And let my starting this thread not be misunderstood; re-read the first post. It has nothing to do with any criticism of Ryan, but was more about his age. Although no longer the 19 year old on "Wild Animal Games", the Walk of Fame star is usually an honor bestowed upon folks closer to menopause than puberty. Plus I knew it would generate some controversy. ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Back in my CNN days, Gary Owens was engaged in a campaign to get a posthumous star for The Three Stooges. He came on one of our shows and said the first step in obtaining a star is basically to write a check to the H C of C, and he was actively seeking donations for that purpose. The boys ultimately got their star.
I'm sure the selection committee enforces some minimal connection to Hollywood (Bennett Cerf?) and some degree of fame or name recognition. I was surprised to see that Bud Collyer has a star but it's for radio, not television.
the Walk of Fame star is usually an honor bestowed upon folks closer to menopause than puberty
Hey, if Rusty Hamer can get a star ...
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 12:03 PM\']I'm sure the selection committee enforces some minimal connection to Hollywood (Bennett Cerf?) and some degree of fame or name recognition. I was surprised to see that Bud Collyer has a star but it's for radio, not television.
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Bud Collyer could theoretically get a star for his television work, although the actual possibility is remote at best because the committee only selects one posthumous honor out of twenty or so per year.
You can definitely have more than one star. (Gene Autry has five, if I'm not mistaken. But he was a very big playa in his day, with his ownership of KTLA and The California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels, plus I guess someone on the committee liked him.) Collyer earned his Radio star for his work on the old "Superman" radio show.
I can see Prof. Steve (who has also bemoaned the lack of a star for Bill Cullen) writing that check to the Chamber right now. But I would argue that he did enough West Coast work to be worthy of the honor.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 11:38 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 12:03 PM\']I'm sure the selection committee enforces some minimal connection to Hollywood (Bennett Cerf?) and some degree of fame or name recognition. I was surprised to see that Bud Collyer has a star but it's for radio, not television.
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Bud Collyer could theoretically get a star for his television work, although the actual possibility is remote at best because the committee only selects one posthumous honor out of twenty or so per year.
You can definitely have more than one star. (Gene Autry has five, if I'm not mistaken. But he was a very big playa in his day, with his ownership of KTLA and The California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels, plus I guess someone on the committee liked him.) Collyer earned his Radio star for his work on the old "Superman" radio show.
I can see Prof. Steve (who has also bemoaned the lack of a star for Bill Cullen) writing that check to the Chamber right now. But I would argue that he did enough West Coast work to be worthy of the honor.
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Off the top of my head, Bill's Hollywood originations were "Place the Face," "Love Experts" "Child's Play" and TJW. The others were in Burbank, Columbus or NYC. On the basis of those four shows, yeah, I'd support the effort.
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Let's not forget (or, rather, let me point out) that Seacrest is actually getting his star for his work in radio, not television.
Say what you will about the man, but he works very hard. He does 5 hours every morning on the radio (plus taping for AT40), then he does two prime time network TV shows. That can't be easy, but he makes it look so. He's famous, he works in Hollywood. He qualifies.
But if you think that someone else deserves one, nominate them. If they're still alive, get them to sign off on it. Then start raising $15K for the star itself.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 11:38 AM\']I can see Prof. Steve (who has also bemoaned the lack of a star for Bill Cullen) writing that check to the Chamber right now.
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Oh, the "professor" would write the check alright. But only if HE was the one getting the star.
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The chances of a game show emcee who's been dead for a decade and a half getting a star are as good as nil.
Gene Autry was buddies with erstwhile KTLA personality Johnny Grant, the current "honorary mayor" of Hollywood and prime mover behind the C of C, the Hollywood Xmas Parade, the Walk of Fame, etc. I'm surprised Autry only has five stars and not one for every movie he's made and every broadcast station and athletic team he's owned.
Bill's Hollywood originations were "Place the Face," "Love Experts" "Child's Play" and TJW. The others were in Burbank
Burbank qualifies as "Hollywood".
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 09:14 AM\']On the Hollywood C of C web site there is a Walk of Fame listing for the popular band, Wind & Fire Earth. I kid you not.[/quote]
Well, you C., Chris . . .
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 03:21 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82 and someone else\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 02:02 AM\']Richard Dawson
good possibility
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Interesting you think Dawson has a better chance than Peter Marshall--though I guess Dawson did appear on "Hogan's Heroes" and a couple other series.
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I honestly considered how both were the original hosts of shows that are still seen today (well H2 up until last year), and are remembered by many viewers (anybody prolly older than 30, and not counting we game show geeks).
The average viewer might know what Richard Dawson did, but Jim Perry?
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This is just a thought...what if a foundation raised money to get a now deceased emcee a star on the Hollywood walk of fame?
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Apr 16 2005, 04:42 PM\']This is just a thought...what if a foundation raised money to get a now deceased emcee a star on the Hollywood walk of fame?
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Again, it still would be a longshot because there's only one posthumous star awarded per year. Theoretically, though, it could be done.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Matt, but Bill Cullen's popularity peaked some time in the '60s when he was doing IGAS in prime time and was appearing on all three networks at once. At that time he probably had a pretty good shot at a star. Given that he's been gone for 15 years now and the apex of his popularity was 40 years ago, the "theoretical" chances of his getting a star lie somewhere between "fat chance" and "fuggedaboudit". It doesn't help that the last 20 years of his career saw him doing any number of forgettable, throwaway daytime game shows (e.g. Hot Potato).
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As has already been pointed out, Seacrest is getting the star for his radio work--and he has become an established personality in LA, first at Star 98.7 and now at Kiss, with a nationally syndicated show that has only two other hosts in its 35-year history. Now I could argue that Phil Hendrie or Chuck Cecil or Steve Harvey deserve the star more than Seacrest (I assume Dees has a star), but I'm not.
Also, Wink and Geoff are more likely to get stars from their radio work, even if Geoff doesn't have a daily show and I don't think "Music of Your Lilfe" is heard in LA right now. They were both at KMPC when it was the powerhouse full-service MOR giant, they worked for Gene Autry and I'm sure Johnny Grant remembers them.
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Off the top of my head, Bill's Hollywood originations were "Place the Face," "Love Experts" "Child's Play" and TJW. The others were in Burbank, Columbus or NYC. On the basis of those four shows, yeah, I'd support the effort.
Give and Take (not to be confused w/the similarly-named 1975 Jim Lange entry) also taped in LA (a pic in EoTVGS1 shows Bill standing outside TV City sometime during G&T's run).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Off the top of my head, Bill's Hollywood originations were "Place the Face," "Love Experts" "Child's Play" and TJW. The others were in Burbank, Columbus or NYC. On the basis of those four shows, yeah, I'd support the effort.
Give and Take (not to be confused w/the similarly-named 1975 Jim Lange entry) also taped in LA (a pic in EoTVGS1 shows Bill standing outside TV City sometime during G&T's run).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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I saw that picture too. I think that was one of the numerous occassions in the Ency.1 where a picture was used to represent a show that was not actually from the show.
According to the second edition, GAT originated in NY.