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http://tvtix.com/show.php?eventID=256&scheduleID=10655 (http://\"http://tvtix.com/show.php?eventID=256&scheduleID=10655\")
Anyone know anything more about this?
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[quote name=\'Steve McClellan\' date=\'Mar 11 2005, 05:48 PM\']Anyone know anything more about this?
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Yes.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Care to be a little more specific, Mr. West? :)
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lol! Reminds me of an old college story. The assignment written on the board was "Choose one of these topics for your term paper worth 50% of your grade." One student follows the directions exactly, and turns in a one-sentence term paper that says "I chose the topic of world hunger." Needless to say, the student had to do a real paper...
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Mar 11 2005, 06:47 PM\']Care to be a little more specific, Mr. West? :)
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Because of surprises planned for shows, or for competitive reasons, or just because they want to keep their business private, some producers / production companies don't want information divulged by their employees and associates. I want to respect those confidences.
The link says it all, at least as it's planned for now. It's the same production company that contacted one of this board's members a couple of weeks back. The member posted that they were asking about "Blockbuster" information. I'll post more when it's appropriate, but count on it being a good show as some game lovers are on the staff and some good clips have been cleared.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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May I ask why its taping twice in the same day? Are they taping two different shows? Or just the same special twice?
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Why would they tape the same show twice?
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' date=\'Mar 13 2005, 01:05 AM\']Why would they tape the same show twice?
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To get the best moments from both tapings presumably. (I.E. A prop malfunctions one taping but works fine in another, the audience for one taping laughs harder for a particular bit than the audience for the other, an ad-lib from somebody makes a piece funnier). This isn't as rare a practice as you think. Most sitcoms have done this for decades. Many of the classic "Carol Burnette Show" bloopers stemmed from a skit being done right at the first taping and the cast deciding to just have fun with it at the second taping. And David Letterman's NBC anniversary shows were all taped twice (I have both tapings of his 6th anniversary show on DVD-R, for example).
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Mar 12 2005, 10:29 PM\'][quote name=\'jmangin\' date=\'Mar 13 2005, 01:05 AM\']Why would they tape the same show twice?
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To get the best moments from both tapings presumably. (I.E. A prop malfunctions one taping but works fine in another, the audience for one taping laughs harder for a particular bit than the audience for the other, an ad-lib from somebody makes a piece funnier). This isn't as rare a practice as you think. Most sitcoms have done this for decades. Many of the classic "Carol Burnette Show" bloopers stemmed from a skit being done right at the first taping and the cast deciding to just have fun with it at the second taping. And David Letterman's NBC anniversary shows were all taped twice (I have both tapings of his 6th anniversary show on DVD-R, for example).
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Kudos to Adam! He speak truth.
Most of the Norman Lear sitcoms were among the many shows that taped that way. Inspired by theatrical presentations and harkening back to the origins of sitcom filming as devised by Lucy and Desi, they performed the episodes in sequence for the live audience, without pre-taped segments, and without many re-takes. While the scripts for "All In The Family" were usually brilliant, there is a classic story of a scene playing terribly to the first audience. The cast rewrote the scene in the few hours between tapings and saved the episode. In its later years for reasons that remain unclear to me, the show reverted to taping without an audience. The edited episodes were then played on monitors to a live audience at TV City for their reaction. I can be heard guffawing on several.
Sitcoms these days usually do not tape twice; they have the audience warm-up babysit the audience while the writers huddle and rewrite jokes before trying a scene again. If you've been, you know, some sitcoms have tried to keep audiences past midnight as they tinkered and tinkered. An honorable mention to "The Nanny" for respecting their live audiences; it was a great place to work. Unfortunately, there are no weekly variety shows to report on.
Game show pilots have traditionally taped several episodes, sometimes 4 or more, to capture compelling game play and bonus round wins without manipulating the competition.
But as to this particular game show special, I still feel it inappropriate to comment right now. Details to follow.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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But let's at least credit CBS for not using stock laughter. (No, that's not chicken stock.)
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While the scripts for "All In The Family" were usually brilliant, there is a classic story of a scene playing terribly to the first audience. The cast rewrote the scene in the few hours between tapings and saved the episode. In its later years for reasons that remain unclear to me, the show reverted to taping without an audience. The edited episodes were then played on monitors to a live audience at TV City for their reaction. I can be heard guffawing on several.
I've been dying to know for years what episode that was...it's never been mentioned. I have an idea as to what it could be, but it's too bad they've never stated which one it was.
I had read that they reverted to working without a live audience because Carroll O'Connor preferred working on a closed set. That happened during the "Archie Bunker's Place" years.
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Just to add to the discussion (otherwise, why would I post? ;-) ), I have a book called Take One: Television Directors on Directing, in which Paul Bogart (who directed the last four seasons of AITF) talks about the audience. The only season of AITF he references as having not worked in front of an audience was the final season (Meathead and Little Girl out, Stephanie in), in which he states that he "didn't like that at all." Of course, AITF was taping at KTTV/Metromedia Square by that point (along with most of the rest of the Lear shows)--the first season of ARCHIE BUNKER'S PLACE brought the show back to CBS TV City.
Doug
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Mar 13 2005, 12:10 PM\']In its later years for reasons that remain unclear to me, the show reverted to taping without an audience. The edited episodes were then played on monitors to a live audience at TV City for their reaction. I can be heard guffawing on several.
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Having worked on a sitcom that started with an audience and switched to without an audience halfway through the season, I can tell you that a couple of reasons for this are ease of taping the scenes out of order, which would confuse the hell out of a studio audience (hell, it confused ME the first few shows!). By doing that you can group your taped scenes by set - do all the kitchen scenes first (barring complex wardrobe changes/set redresses/etc), and try to be more efficient timewise.
Another reason is money saved. An audience costs the production company money, as does a warmup person. (sorry Randy!!!).
ObGameShow1: the show in question, "Marblehead Manor", was co-produced by Dames-Fraser Prods., the folks who brought you "Wipeout".
ObGameShow2: Ray Combs was one of our warmups.
ObGameShow3: One of our directors was Bill Foster, who directed "Just Men".
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According to this, they are taping 4 times.
http://www.hollywoodtickets.com/ShowPages/...GoneBananas.asp (http://\"http://www.hollywoodtickets.com/ShowPages/GameShowsGoneBananas.asp\")
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Mar 14 2005, 02:19 PM\']According to this, they are taping 4 times.
http://www.hollywoodtickets.com/ShowPages/...GoneBananas.asp (http://\"http://www.hollywoodtickets.com/ShowPages/GameShowsGoneBananas.asp\")
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More details to come. For now, I think it safe to confirm the tape date is Saturday, 3/26.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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It says it will tape at TVC.
Wonder which studio?
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Mar 17 2005, 06:11 AM\']It says it will tape at TVC.
Wonder which studio?
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My money's on either 36 or 46. That's where all the action on the lot seems to be.
Of course, though, if it is a game show special, it COULD be in 33.
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Yes, Saturday, studio 36 at TVCity, hosted by Ben Stein. There will be multiple episodes. Hold the date; contact the ticket companies via their websites if you want to attend... I hear the announcer does a funny warm-up! More details to come!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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To the couple of Invisioners I think I recognized in the audience, thanks for coming!
Ben Stein was an awesome host, adding new witticisms with each re-take. I'd not worked with him before; he's really very funny with great ad-lib skills. I was especially amazed by how much the audiences love him. He's like an icon with teens, a few of whom were overjoyed when they eventually got Ben to sign their white shoes!
Watch for five 1-hour specials on VH-1 in a couple of months. New clips, classic clips, live game play, special guest participants, and some great tongue-in-cheek humor about all things game show - especially the prizes we all love. And yes... the clips included a bunch of funny moments I'd never seen before, many from TPiR.
But most importantly, THANKS FOR THE WORK, Fremantle! I'd have come anyway, but being the announcer/warm-up got me a much better parking space!! ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Mar 27 2005, 12:35 PM\']To the couple of Invisioners I think I recognized in the audience, thanks for coming!
Ben Stein was an awesome host, adding new witticisms with each re-take. I'd not worked with him before; he's really very funny with great ad-lib skills. I was especially amazed by how much the audiences love him. He's like an icon with teens, a few of whom were overjoyed when they eventually got Ben to sign their white shoes!
Watch for five 1-hour specials on VH-1 in a couple of months. New clips, classic clips, live game play, special guest participants, and some great tongue-in-cheek humor about all things game show - especially the prizes we all love. And yes... the clips included a bunch of funny moments I'd never seen before, many from TPiR.
But most importantly, THANKS FOR THE WORK, Fremantle! I'd have come anyway, but being the announcer/warm-up got me a much better parking space!! ;-)
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Can we assume that all of the clips are from Fremantle properties--or did they reach out to other packagers?