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I came across my LMAD 2003 tape the other day and knowing the show premiered about this time 2 years ago, I thought I'd give it a look again.
So, I watched it and I realize now that it was really worse than I originally thought.
They had the right idea with the games and such, but the show looks so "fake" to me as far as production values go. I thought I was watching a movie. I caught a ton of edits that I never noticed before. There even looked to have been some voice edits, like Billy saying something that was clearly put in in post production. The superimposed prizes were lame. One episode superimposed a TV and a refrigerator. It looked so bad. How hard can it be to put prizes on a stage?
I actually liked the show when it was on and was pretty bummed out when they pulled the plug. Now, I can't figure out what I saw in it.
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I think we were so starved for game shows and so eager to see a somewhat traditional primetime game succeed, that we were willing to allow a wide berth to the show, despite any shortcomings.
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There was an '03 version of LMAD? Wow, that mind eraser must of worked well...
I'm saddened to say that I taped those 3 shows too. I hope that tape isn't contaminating the rest of my collection (you know, the good shows like Password All-Stars and Rodeo Drive).
Josh
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Thankfully Trato Hecho is erasing some of those bad memories.
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Remember! NBC has promised that the other two episodes that were filmed will show up in an as yet to be determined time period. Likewise, CBS is doing the same with those four unaired Winning Lines programs. Do you suppose they lied? And what about that Concentration comeback? And the Newlywed Game/Dating Game combo? Or does there have to be a Law & Order element for a show to succeed on NBC?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:22 AM\']Or does there have to be a Law & Order element for a show to succeed on NBC?
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Hmm...TTTT with murderers...I like it!
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Was it Mark Goodson who said something along the lines of how a good host doesn't make a good game?
Well, Matt Scott says a bad host can ruin a good game.
That show was a classic example of why network suits shouldn't get involved in choosing hosts...NBC had a development deal with Bush, ready to find a vehicle for him as their 'next big star'....
Had Monty stuck to his guns and picked someone himself, that game would have been infinitely better, even with the sexed up deals..... Al Roker, Gordon Elliot, hell even Pat O Brien could have been a better 'professional' host.
Billy Bush's incompetance when it comes to ad-libbing ruined that show.
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Example of the ruin:
BILLY BUSH: "Let's see what's in the envelope$50000".
No pause for suspense purposes, no excitement in the voice, just a quick cut from let's see what this is to what it is.
Great market research, NBC. Three shows and out because of your genius. LMAD otherwise might likely have had a better run with Al Roker, who really wanted to do the show in the first place. Too many punks are wearing the suits in the front offices these days. That's your big problem. You notice the effects of this on way too many programs--most of the principles have to have some kind of a 'tude.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:22 AM\']Remember! NBC has promised that the other two episodes that were filmed will show up in an as yet to be determined time period. Likewise, CBS is doing the same with those four unaired Winning Lines programs. Do you suppose they lied? And what about that Concentration comeback? And the Newlywed Game/Dating Game combo? Or does there have to be a Law & Order element for a show to succeed on NBC?
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I remember word about a new 'Newlywed Game' two years ago, and the unshown Billy Bush shows.
But what was the 'Concentration' comeback about? I don't remember hearing about that in recent years.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 08:32 AM\']
But what was the 'Concentration' comeback about? I don't remember hearing about that in recent years.
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A post in ATGS(with a link to knip2.com that is now inactive when I tried to click on it) in Summer 2002 stated that Classic Concentration was among the shows up for grabs in syndication, along with the Gong Show and On the Cover. Whether a pilot was done is unknown. That's the last I heard of a possible Concentration revival.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:25 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:22 AM\']Or does there have to be a Law & Order element for a show to succeed on NBC?
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Hmm...TTTT with murderers...I like it!
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Better yet: What's My Crime?, as seen in the original 101 Dalmatians.
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[quote name=\'bwood\' date=\'Mar 7 2005, 07:34 PM\']They had the right idea with the games and such, but the show looks so "fake" to me as far as production values go. I thought I was watching a movie. I caught a ton of edits that I never noticed before. There even looked to have been some voice edits, like Billy saying something that was clearly put in in post production. The superimposed prizes were lame. One episode superimposed a TV and a refrigerator. It looked so bad. How hard can it be to put prizes on a stage?
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Exactly what I thought. Plus I thought it looked too rushed, there was so much audience noise, and too much senseless post-production editing where the scenes always cuts back and forth between the audience and the deal game too fast.
Man, my hopes were high on this show. Too bad it was such a waste.
Who wants to pay a call to programmer Mr. Jeff Zucker in Burbank? hehe!
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 09:51 AM\']Who wants to pay a call to programmer Mr. Jeff Zucker in Burbank? hehe!
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Send him Kirstie Alley. He'll have no choice but to give in to her.
Anyone who saw "Fat Actress" last nite might get that one ;-)
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 07:48 AM\']Example of the ruin:
BILLY BUSH: "Let's see what's in the envelope$50000".
No pause for suspense purposes, no excitement in the voice, just a quick cut from let's see what this is to what it is.
Great market research, NBC. Three shows and out because of your genius. LMAD otherwise might likely have had a better run with Al Roker, who really wanted to do the show in the first place. Too many punks are wearing the suits in the front offices these days. That's your big problem. You notice the effects of this on way too many programs--most of the principles have to have some kind of a 'tude.
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I happened to find the first show with Billy not long after I finished moving across town. All of you are right about the crummy edits, lack of suspense and such.
On the good side, the running gag with the Dealco stock in the first ep was pretty creative.
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IMO, LMAD looked TOO DARN FAKE!!!! This version was horrible. Who were the directors, producers, and executive producer of this show. I mean horrible. DED looked better and more real than this.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:34 PM\']IMO, LMAD looked TOO DARN FAKE!!!! This version was horrible. Who were the directors, producers, and executive producer of this show. I mean horrible. DED looked better and more real than this.
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Issues with IMDB aside, they state the director was Morris Abraham.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:41 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:34 PM\']IMO, LMAD looked TOO DARN FAKE!!!! This version was horrible. Who were the directors, producers, and executive producer of this show. I mean horrible. DED looked better and more real than this.
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Issues with IMDB aside, they state the director was Morris Abraham.
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What work did Mr. Abraham do previously? It's crap like this that makes me think that someone who either love the genre or currently or previously worked on a wonderful game show with excellent skills should be hired to do the job.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Mar 7 2005, 10:26 PM\']Thankfully Trato Hecho is erasing some of those bad memories.
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I'd have to agree 100%. I've been watching the show when I can and it is pretty good. I took 3 years of Spanish in high school and I know enough to get by, but you really don't need to know Spanish to know what's going on. I wish there was a way to have alternate audio in English like we can have alternate audio in Spanish, it would make the show even better than it is to watch.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 10:53 AM\']What work did Mr. Abraham do previously? It's crap like this that makes me think that someone who either love the genre or currently or previously worked on a wonderful game show with excellent skills should be hired to do the job.
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I worked with Morris Abraham on "Hour Magazine" circa 1990. He's been employed steadily and has done some good work. There are MANY other factors that contributed to that show's problems.
Randy
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 02:29 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 10:53 AM\']What work did Mr. Abraham do previously? It's crap like this that makes me think that someone who either love the genre or currently or previously worked on a wonderful game show with excellent skills should be hired to do the job.
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I worked with Morris Abraham on "Hour Magazine" circa 1990. He's been employed steadily and has done some good work. There are MANY other factors that contributed to that show's problems.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Well maybe I oughta take back what I said cuz it was rude and I didn't know the man personally but Randy You are right, there were other factors that lead to the problems of this show. I still think that if you are bringing back a game show then hire someone or people who were/are in the business of making it work and let the audience decide if it should stay or go. My apologizes towards Mr. Abraham for making him the sole reason why LMAD sucked. ON THE FLIP SIDE OF it, look at Harry Friedman's work on CBS's Early Show. Worked in Game shows for over a quarter of a century and went into the news business...but that show is just shot all to pieces if you ask me. ABC's GMA is (IMO) the most laid back morning newscast I've ever seen.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 12:40 PM\']Well maybe I oughta take back what I said cuz it was rude and I didn't know the man personally
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What you should do is stop and reread what you are about to post before posting it, to make sure you really have the authority to be saying it. 'Cuz from what I'm seeing, you don't.
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sometimes you post things and then you reread them or allow someone else's knowledge to fill you in on something you know nothing about and you take back the words that you said. It's human nature, we say things and then something can make you eat those words and you regret saying them in the first place. Kinda like PJTBP or if you are in person Talking just to hear yourself talk. sheesh. I didn't intend to offend anyone. I took back the words. gosh!
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 02:40 PM\']ON THE FLIP SIDE OF it, look at Harry Friedman's work on CBS's Early Show. Worked in Game shows for over a quarter of a century and went into the news business...but that show is just shot all to pieces if you ask me.
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Er... STEVE Friedman worked on The Early Show for CBS (and wrote the book Station Break, a signed copy of which is on my shelf). HARRY Friedman is the one who works in game shows.
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Ok, on my day off, it might not be my day to post anything around here, but thanks dzinkin for clearing me up. But by any chance are they related? Did Steve Friedman work for the other networks at one point in time?
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:34 PM\']IMO, LMAD looked TOO DARN FAKE!!!! This version was horrible. Who were the directors, producers, and executive producer of this show. I mean horrible. DED looked better and more real than this.
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From the PR news at the www.letsmakeadeal.com site:
The Executive Producers for the LMAD '03 revival are...
Sharon Hall
Monty Hall
Also...
Jay Renfroe
David Garfinkle
(Those two I never seen elsewhere in game show credits.)
Packager:
Monty Hall Enterprises and Renegade 83
From remembering the credits, I might've seen a FremantleMedia North America staff member working on the show, notably Jeff Mirkin (who also did Greed).
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 03:26 PM\']Ok, on my day off, it might not be my day to post anything around here, but thanks dzinkin for clearing me up. But by any chance are they related? Did Steve Friedman work for the other networks at one point in time?
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Related? I doubt it. But yes, Steve Friedman worked for NBC for a long time -- most notably as producer of the Today show.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 12:26 PM\']... But by any chance are they related?
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I think Betty White and Barry White are cousins.
Is Vivica A Fox?
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 03:30 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 01:34 PM\']IMO, LMAD looked TOO DARN FAKE!!!! This version was horrible. Who were the directors, producers, and executive producer of this show. I mean horrible. DED looked better and more real than this.
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From the PR news at the www.letsmakeadeal.com site:
The Executive Producers for the LMAD '03 revival are...
Sharon Hall
Monty Hall
Also...
Jay Renfroe
David Garfinkle
(Those two I never seen elsewhere in game show credits.)
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They're the guys behind "Blind Date." Renegade 83's their production company.
As for what went wrong, I'd rather just hope that someone with a closer connection to the show post here one of these days. I assume that they would have some gruesome stories to tell.
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Great market research, NBC. Three shows and out because of your genius. LMAD otherwise might likely have had a better run with Al Roker, who really wanted to do the show in the first place. Too many punks are wearing the suits in the front offices these days. That's your big problem. You notice the effects of this on way too many programs--most of the principles have to have some kind of a 'tude.
And it didn't help that NBC, having learned nothing from their Richard Pryor Show debacle some 25+ yrs earlier, pulled LMaD from its originally planned Sat-at-10 (EST) slot and instead scheduled it for Tue at. 8, opposite the red-hot American Idol, just back for its 2nd series after a 6-month hiatus.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Is Vivica A Fox?
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She sure is! :)
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 04:10 PM\']I think Betty White and Barry White are cousins.
Is Vivica A Fox?
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Vivica's been a fox for years. Meow!
Edit: Dammit Matt. Stop hogging all the good lines. :-P
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 04:10 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 12:26 PM\']... But by any chance are they related?
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I think Betty White and Barry White are cousins.
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Plus, let's not forget that Kermit Schafer and Ross Shafer are one and the same.
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[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 06:58 PM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Mar 8 2005, 04:10 PM\']I think Betty White and Barry White are cousins.
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Vivica's been a fox for years. Meow!
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You ought to be ashamed that you're stealing material from Alan Thicke. (Vivica's appearance on "Pictionary.")
But oooh, I'd love to have some of that brown sugar (remainder of post unsuitable for a family game show forum)
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You ought to be ashamed that you're stealing material from Alan Thicke. (Vivica's appearance on "Pictionary.")
But oooh, I'd love to have some of that brown sugar (remainder of post unsuitable for a family game show forum)
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Didn't she appear on tape on Scattergories one week?
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 07:31 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 05:13 PM\']
You ought to be ashamed that you're stealing material from Alan Thicke. (Vivica's appearance on "Pictionary.")
But oooh, I'd love to have some of that brown sugar (remainder of post unsuitable for a family game show forum)
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Didn't she appear on tape on Scattergories one week?
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Leave it to Mark to happily get us off the topic of game shows,
and leave it to Horan to steer us right back.
Sigh.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 07:31 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Mar 9 2005, 05:13 PM\']
You ought to be ashamed that you're stealing material from Alan Thicke. (Vivica's appearance on "Pictionary.")
But oooh, I'd love to have some of that brown sugar (remainder of post unsuitable for a family game show forum)
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Didn't she appear on tape on Scattergories one week?
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What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
(looks at who the post came from)
Oh. Never mind.