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Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Lemonjello on March 01, 2005, 07:10:03 PM
If vulgar words offend you, don't watch this video.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/gameshowletter.htm (http://\"http://www.big-boys.com/articles/gameshowletter.htm\")
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Kevin Prather on March 01, 2005, 07:29:39 PM
This is the British show "Countdown." According to snopes.com, "E-R-E-C-T-I-O-N" once made it onto the screen. Supposedly, the letters once came up "W-A-N-K-M-E-O-F-F" as well, but that was debunked by Snopes.

One thing is definitely false about the clip: it did not air live. Countdown was pre-recorded. Furthermore, such instances as the one you've mentioned would never have aired. Unless this was pulled from the network's vault, the clip is likely false.

For more information: http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/countdwn.htm (http://\"http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/countdwn.htm\")

Hope I helped a little bit.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: aaron sica on March 01, 2005, 07:48:37 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Mar 1 2005, 07:29 PM\']
One thing is definitely false about the clip: it did not air live. Countdown was pre-recorded. Furthermore, such instances as the one you've mentioned would never have aired. Unless this was pulled from the network's vault, the clip is likely false.

For more information: http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/countdwn.htm (http://\"http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/countdwn.htm\")

Hope I helped a little bit.
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I agree with you...I didn't watch the entire clip, but there were enough noticeable edits that it didn't seem real to me...
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Lemonjello on March 01, 2005, 08:08:57 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Mar 1 2005, 08:29 PM\']For more information: http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/countdwn.htm (http://\"http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/countdwn.htm\")

Hope I helped a little bit.
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Thanks. I actually searched for it on Snopes before I posted it, but I guess I didn't search well enough.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Kevin Prather on March 01, 2005, 08:13:56 PM
The one on Snopes was a different event.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: ChuckNet on March 01, 2005, 08:56:10 PM
Personally, I don't see what the "flap" is all about. :-D

As for my theory, I think it's an outtake that occured, but was never aired on the actual show...on the aforementioned Snopes page, it says that whenever an incident like that occurs, tape is stopped, and that portion of the round is replayed.

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: clemon79 on March 01, 2005, 09:16:49 PM
[quote name=\'Lemonjello\' date=\'Mar 1 2005, 05:10 PM\']If vulgar words offend you, don't watch this video.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/gameshowletter.htm (http://\"http://www.big-boys.com/articles/gameshowletter.htm\")
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On a totally unrelated note, if you've never seen the Mike Legg hockey goal on that same site, it's worth having a look at. :)
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Post by: Kevin Prather on March 01, 2005, 09:24:10 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw that on ebaumsworld. Pretty cool stuff. Kinda surprising that no one else thought to pick up the puck with the stick before. lol
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: JasonA1 on March 01, 2005, 09:34:19 PM
I personally thought the whole clip was a sham. Not only did it appear some letters were "floating" (i.e. superimposed grabs of the letters from other rounds) but if such an incident DID occur, they would have reshot before they let the players have their 30 seconds. Carol could have been laughing about a narrow miss of...that dirty C-word. Similarly, the players, Carol and Richard would have had to have seen the entire joke, rather than laugh when only the first four letters showed up.

-Jason
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Kevin Prather on July 06, 2005, 01:59:58 PM
Sorry to drudge this back up, but I just noticed something.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on Countdown, don't 3-5 vowels have to be chosen? If so, this clip is clearly a fake, as only two vowels have been chosen. They wouldn't have allowed the contestant to make the last letter another consonant.

When we play Countdown on Palace, the 3-5 vowel rule is observed. I assume it'd be the same on the actual show, but I could be wrong.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: clemon79 on July 06, 2005, 02:24:15 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 6 2005, 10:59 AM\']Correct me if I'm wrong, but on Countdown, don't 3-5 vowels have to be chosen? If so, this clip is clearly a fake, as only two vowels have been chosen. They wouldn't have allowed the contestant to make the last letter another consonant.
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Ya know, just as an aside, if it IS three to five vowels, why don't they just whip out three vowels and three consonants and let the player pick what they want the other two letters to be? Wouldn't that speed things up some?
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Post by: TLEberle on July 06, 2005, 02:28:05 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 6 2005, 11:24 AM\']Ya know, just as an aside, if it IS three to five vowels, why don't they just whip out three vowels and three consonants and let the player pick what they want the other two letters to be? Wouldn't that speed things up some?
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It sure would.  But it also makes for better TV to have the 'illusion of choice' that the contestants are choosing.  Even if everyone knows what seven of the nine choices will be.
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Post by: clemon79 on July 06, 2005, 03:30:44 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jul 6 2005, 11:28 AM\']It sure would.  But it also makes for better TV to have the 'illusion of choice' that the contestants are choosing.  Even if everyone knows what seven of the nine choices will be.
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Do not concur.

Maybe I'm missing some kind of subtle nuance of Countdown strategy that revolves around the order in which the letters are picked having some bearing on how many of what you ask for, but I think if six of the eight calls are predetermined, that the "illusion of choice" is more an insult to the intelligence of your viewer than it is good television. Besides, one would think that the viewership of Countdown would be brighter than to fall for such things.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Kevin Prather on July 06, 2005, 04:05:52 PM
Some may choose to pick the consonants and vowels in a certain order if after, say, 3 or 4 letters, they start to see a meaty word. They could pick consonants or vowels accordingly in an attempt to shoot for that word.

I think the rule is in place just so a smartass player in the lead can't pick all consonants just to keep their opponent out. No vowels = no words = no points for your opponent.

Just a thought.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: clemon79 on July 06, 2005, 04:37:02 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 6 2005, 01:05 PM\']I think the rule is in place just so a smartass player in the lead can't pick all consonants just to keep their opponent out. No vowels = no words = no points for your opponent.
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I think yer missing my point. The rule states that there have to be between three and five vowels, right? So, with eight letters, that means that there has to be a minimum of three vowel calls, and since there can be no more than five, a minimum of three consonant calls. So six of the eight calls in a given round are set in stone. There will ALWAYS be three vowels and three consonants, and then Two Other Picks.

I'm saying, if that's true, just pop up those six right off the bat without making a player go "vowel, consonant, consonant, vowel, vowel", and then have the player decide what they wanna do with the last two. It would go faster and allow for more game.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on July 06, 2005, 05:49:16 PM
First of all, there are nine letters, not eight.

Second of all, I think you're missing my point. Some Countdown players would rather have consonants and vowels come up in a certain order to make words easier to find.

There are lots of roots to look for. For example, lets say my first letter is a vowel: I. I then pick a consonant: G. I'm gonna start picking consonants hoping to get an N to create the suffix "-ing," giving me ample possibilities for 5, 6, or even 7 letter words.

Perhaps I'm not explaining this all too clear. And don't get me wrong, Chris. I totally see your point. I only hope you see mine as well.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: clemon79 on July 06, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 6 2005, 02:49 PM\']First of all, there are nine letters, not eight.
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'Kay. So add a fourth forced consonant in there.
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There are lots of roots to look for. For example, lets say my first letter is a vowel: I. I then pick a consonant: G. I'm gonna start picking consonants hoping to get an N to create the suffix "-ing," giving me ample possibilities for 5, 6, or even 7 letter words.
I understand that, and perhaps this is the "subtle nuance" I'm missing. But it still seems to me that no matter what you're gonna have to call for four consonants and three vowels ANYHOW, and since you're getting thirty seconds of think time and paper and pencil regardless, the order in which those seven forced letters come up is of little relevance.

Now, maybe the part I'm missing (as a crappy Scrabble player) is that a good Countdown player is working on their word as the letters are coming up, instead of starting their work when the thirty seconds starts. If that is the case then I TOTALLY see where the order in which the letters come up might make a difference.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Brig Bother on July 06, 2005, 06:29:53 PM
I largely suspect it's because that's the way it's always been and that's the way it is. What does Vanna White actually do?

Incidentally, AFAIK, Countdown is the only version of the Des Chiffres et des Lettres format where each person has the entire round to select the letters. In all the other versions I've seen (original French, Spanish, South African (http://\"http://www.bothersbar.co.uk/weekendspecials/awordor2.htm\"), the players take it in turns to select either vowels or consonants to the current line-up.
Title: Anyone know if this is real?
Post by: Kevin Prather on July 06, 2005, 07:38:06 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 6 2005, 03:15 PM\']Now, maybe the part I'm missing (as a crappy Scrabble player) is that a good Countdown player is working on their word as the letters are coming up, instead of starting their work when the thirty seconds starts. If that is the case then I TOTALLY see where the order in which the letters come up might make a difference.
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Bingo. :)