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I was wondering what you would put on the schedule if CBS were to take back the 10-11am time slot from the affiliates for network programming. Although this is very unlikely, I was wondering what ideas you would have, more like a "what if". Here are my ideas:
10am: All-New Match Game: this is basically an updated version of MG '7X, but not TOO updated like MG '98!
10:30am: The Price is Right: moving TPiR to 10:30am would make it harder for affiliates to pre-empt the 10-11am CBS programming, especially with a top-rated GS like TPiR
11:30am: Ryan's Hope: The Next Generation: like Match Game '7X, this was a daytime soap which deserved a longer run, but fell victim to the same thing that axed MG '7X, moving the show around to bad time slots that were often preempted by many affiliates. This is an brand-new current run of the show, much like All-New Match Game, focusing on the the current going ons of the Ryan's and their friends and family members. Bill Bell (Y&R, B&B) will be Exectuive Producer (especially since he wanted another half-hour for CBS), but creator Claire Labine will be head writer and have complete creative control over the show.
12:00pm: local programming
12:30pm: Young & the Restless
1:30pm: Bold & the Beautiful
2:00pm: As the World Turns
3:00pm: Guiding Light
If anyone has their own ideas for filling this time slot, please feel free to post! :)
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10:30am: The Price is Right: moving TPiR to 10:30am would make it harder for affiliates to pre-empt the 10-11am CBS programming, especially with a top-rated GS like TPiR
I'd certainly like to see another game on network daytime, but I don't think moving "Price" would go over too well. It's strong ratings at 11 a.m. deliver large audiences into the affiliates noon newscasts. Moving it might take away some of those viewers, and the affiliates wouldn't be happy.
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I'd be inclined to leave TPIR at 11, and put in another game show at 10:30. Possibly either "Pyramid" or "Password Challenge" (even though NBC did the two previous puzzle versions of "Password").
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My vote goes to a combo of The Joker's Wild and Tic Tac Dough hosted by Jim Peck and The Winker respectively. Failing that, I'd suggest Gambit and High Rollers. Ya think Alex would want to host HR?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 08:25 AM\']My vote goes to a combo of The Joker's Wild and Tic Tac Dough hosted by Jim Peck and The Winker respectively. Failing that, I'd suggest Gambit and High Rollers. Ya think Alex would want to host HR?
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Only if there's an open bar...
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I like the idea of TJW and Gambit leading into TPIR. It's 1972 all over again!
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I'm not going to offer any ideas on what CBS would put in that slot if they ever did take it back. It wouldn't matter. The whole scenario would play exactly like this joke about a schoolteacher trying to explain basic subtraction to a wiseacre student:
"Billy, if you have five pieces of candy and Joey asked you for one, how many would you end up with?"
"Five."
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11:30 am: Ryan's Hope - The Next Generation
I thought ABC owned the original RH.
Brian
Don RUCKLES?
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I would love for CBS to return to a Morning block of game shows. However what local affiliate is going to be willing to give back that time to the Network? It wouldn't be an easy battle. I do believe that everything in life comes around full circle. Games in the morning were HOT once and they will probably be HOT again. The question is how far in the future will it happen and what Network will be daring enough to try it again first.
dizzy
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However, the 10 AM slot on some CBS stations (New York, Philly, Detroit, Boston and Miami) is already filled with a CBS show -- Guiding Light, turning over the 3 PM slot to syndicated shows. For some of those stations, that show is Dr. Phil. I don't think you're going to convince Viacom to move Guiding Light back to 3 and move Dr. Phil to a late night slot so you can clear an hour of Dragon! -- The All New Tic-Tac-Dough starring Brian Dunkelman.
Your larger hope is the 9 AM slot, where most of the CBS O&Os (except Chicago, Salt Lake and Green Bay) air Larry Elder. CBS/Viacom/King World does not own the show (it's Warner Bros.), so if you can convince them to dump that for an hour you may get to see The New New Battlestars hosted by Graham Elwood and 21st Century Tattletales (taped in Massachusetts) hosted by Richard Simmons.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 09:25 AM\']My vote goes to a combo of The Joker's Wild and Tic Tac Dough hosted by Jim Peck and The Winker respectively. Failing that, I'd suggest Gambit and High Rollers. [/quote]
For a moment, I thought Tammy Warner hacked into your account.
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[quote name=\'brianhenke\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 01:05 PM\']
11:30 am: Ryan's Hope - The Next Generation
I thought ABC owned the original RH.
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They do.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 04:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 09:25 AM\']My vote goes to a combo of The Joker's Wild and Tic Tac Dough hosted by Jim Peck and The Winker respectively. Failing that, I'd suggest Gambit and High Rollers. [/quote]
For a moment, I thought Tammy Warner hacked into your account.
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I will enhance that suspicion further by adding the following:
I'd love to have Jim Peck back on daytime television. SWAK!
Loving you in my dreams,
Don Howard--the Mike Marlier of The Big Board
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 04:07 PM\'][quote name=\'brianhenke\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 01:05 PM\']
11:30 am: Ryan's Hope - The Next Generation
I thought ABC owned the original RH.
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They do.
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They do, but they cancelled the show in 1989, primarily due to being in a bad time slot (12pm-12:30pm) that was often pre-empted for local news. Many daytime soaps moved to new networks after being cancelled by their original network. For example; The Edge of Night moved from CBS to ABC in December 1975, and Search For Tomorrow moved from CBS to NBC in March 1982.
Hope this helps! ;-)
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[quote name=\'Kent Broyhill\' date=\'Feb 23 2005, 12:23 AM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 04:07 PM\'][quote name=\'brianhenke\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 01:05 PM\']
11:30 am: Ryan's Hope - The Next Generation
I thought ABC owned the original RH.
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They do.
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They do, but they cancelled the show in 1989, primarily due to being in a bad time slot (12pm-12:30pm) that was often pre-empted for local news. Many daytime soaps moved to new networks after being cancelled by their original network. For example; The Edge of Night moved from CBS to ABC in December 1975, and Search For Tomorrow moved from CBS to NBC in March 1982.
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Actually, I believe those were the only two to do so--not exactly many. In addition, they were owned by Proctor & Gamble and not by the networks on which they were telecast.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 23 2005, 12:46 AM\']
Actually, I believe those were the only two to do so--not exactly many. In addition, they were owned by Proctor & Gamble and not by the networks on which they were telecast.
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In what would have gotten to be a VERY interesting situation had it actually happened, I believe back in '98, an impasse with DOOL and NBC almost had the show moving to ABC. If that had happened, it would have made for a very interesting situation as far as ABC's 1pm-4pm lineup (unchanged since January '78) was concerned.
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If CBS took back 10AM........
I remember when they used it to do Family Feud Challenge; used to watch it all the time. Obviously since FF is syndicated, that's out of the question.
There are two games rumored about for a while to think of for a revival: What's My Line, and Password. How bout those two shows?
I probably wouldn't watch right away, since my area airs Millionaire and Family Feud at the 10AM slot. Then of course flip to the CBS station for the 11AM Legend.
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I remember when TPiR actually *did* run from 10:30am-11:30am with "Love of Life" airing at 11:30am. I remember when they moved it to 11am-noon, and how weird it seemed that it was on at 11. Never did I guess in a million years that over 25 years later, it would *still* be airing at 11am.
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I remember when they moved it to 11am-noon, and how weird it seemed that it was on at 11. Never did I guess in a million years that over 25 years later, it would *still* be airing at 11am.
I can remember when "Price" was on at 3! When it first debuted, it was on at 10:30 a.m. and moved to 3 p.m. in March 1973. It was two and a half years later before it moved back to mornings.
It's been stated that the CBS morning ratings started to drop with the June 1975 changes, that saw "Spin Off" debut, and "Tattletales" move to 11 a.m. They moved "Price" back to mornings in August 1975 to try to bolster the morning ratings.
I'm wondering: were "Price's" ratings as good at 3 p.m. as they were in the mornings? I know that "Match Game" (which followed it) was kicking ass, and I'm not suggesting "Price" was faltering, but it certainly was a significant time change for a show that was doing very well. Maybe CBS figured it was a strong enough show that the audience would follow it wherever it landed. Too bad we don't have access to ratings for more than the top three shows from that time frame.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Feb 23 2005, 03:33 PM\']and I'm not suggesting "Price" was faltering, but it certainly was a significant time change for a show that was doing very well. Maybe CBS figured it was a strong enough show that the audience would follow it wherever it landed. Too bad we don't have access to ratings for more than the top three shows from that time frame.
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I'm guessing they moved the show back to the mornings in preparation for its expansion to 60 minutes - since MG was pretty hot by '75, they didn't want to touch the 3:30pm timeslot (since expanding TPiR at 3 would have meant running 3pm-4pm).
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I remember when TPiR actually *did* run from 10:30am-11:30am with "Love of Life" airing at 11:30am. I remember when they moved it to 11am-noon, and how weird it seemed that it was on at 11. Never did I guess in a million years that over 25 years later, it would *still* be airing at 11am.
Interestingly, CBS moved TPiR all over the morning at first, following the hr. expansion...it first aired at 10 AM (Johnny O. would plug Gambit, then replacement Double Dare at the end), then moved to 10:30 (w/the aforementioned LoL plug at the end) in 1977, then back to 10, then back to 10:30, and finally settled into its current 11 AM slot in Mar. 1979.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Feb 23 2005, 06:34 PM\']
I remember when TPiR actually *did* run from 10:30am-11:30am with "Love of Life" airing at 11:30am. I remember when they moved it to 11am-noon, and how weird it seemed that it was on at 11. Never did I guess in a million years that over 25 years later, it would *still* be airing at 11am.
Interestingly, CBS moved TPiR all over the morning at first, following the hr. expansion...it first aired at 10 AM (Johnny O. would plug Gambit, then replacement Double Dare at the end), then moved to 10:30 (w/the aforementioned LoL plug at the end) in 1977, then back to 10, then back to 10:30, and finally settled into its current 11 AM slot in Mar. 1979.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Actually, TPiR moved to its 11am time slot on April 23, 1979, not March, when MG '79 was cancelled. Whew! moved into the 10:30pm time slot, and Love of Life moved to 4pm, where it limped around in the ratings until February 1980, when it was cancelled.
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It sure makes sense to put TPIR in the mornings as it was in the mid 70's with its expansion. I thought at the half-hour format, it was, IMO, a good lead-in to MG'73 back then in March 1973. It took CBS 2 1/2 years to realize the ratings for the 3 PM slot weren't quite what they wanted, so thus the move to mornings ever since 1975.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 05:17 AM\']It took CBS 2 1/2 years to realize the ratings for the 3 PM slot weren't quite what they wanted, so thus the move to mornings ever since 1975.
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OK, so you have word from CBS that they moved TPiR because of ratings? Even if that is true, you seem pretty confident about that, as if you personally spoke to Barker or someone. At least Ian simply questioned the possibility of ratings.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 05:17 AM\']It sure makes sense to put TPIR in the mornings as it was in the mid 70's with its expansion. I thought at the half-hour format, it was, IMO, a good lead-in to MG'73 back then in March 1973. It took CBS 2 1/2 years to realize the ratings for the 3 PM slot weren't quite what they wanted, so thus the move to mornings ever since 1975.
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I suspect they didn't want to tamper with MG and Tattletales in the afternoons. TPiR expanding to an hour would have affected one of them if it was kept at 3PM EST.
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I have seven Daytime TV mags from 1975 with Nielsens in them and in those, TPIR was No. 2 to MG. Numbers were generally in the 9s.
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I have seven Daytime TV mags from 1975 with Nielsens in them and in those, TPIR was No. 2 to MG. Numbers were generally in the 9s.
Were those before, of after the switch back to mornings? The EOTVGS lists "Price is Right" as No. 2 for the period between October 1974 and April 1975 - it's only appearance in the top three in the half-hour format. By October '75 it had fallen out of the top three, and didn't return until 1978. I'm guessing once it moved back to mornings it must have taken a while to gain back the audience that it had. Even if it had fallen in the ratings during the year, it might not have fallen that much depending on how far out of the top three it dropped.
Are daytime ratings from those times available online anywhere?
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Before the switch. I did find an issue dated March 1976 which had the results of the week of 11/23/75. That week "Tattletales" was No. 1 with an 8.7/28 and MG had an 8.2/30. "Rhyme and Reason" was third with a 7.2/30, "Pyramid" had a 6.7/26 and HS was fifth with a 6/0/29. They only listed the top 5. The next issue I have had the results of the week of 5/30/76. MG was first with a 9.1/30, TPIR had a 6.1/37, Pyramid a 6.0/23, BTB 5.8/24 and Tattletales 5.7/19. It should be noted that there were seven soaps in between MG and TPIR, so MG was the No. 1 daytime show that week and TPIR ninth overall.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 01:28 PM\']However, the 10 AM slot on some CBS stations (New York, Philly, Detroit, Boston and Miami) is already filled with a CBS show -- Guiding Light, turning over the 3 PM slot to syndicated shows. For some of those stations, that show is Dr. Phil. I don't think you're going to convince Viacom to move Guiding Light back to 3 and move Dr. Phil to a late night slot so you can clear an hour of Dragon! -- The All New Tic-Tac-Dough starring Brian Dunkelman.
Your larger hope is the 9 AM slot, where most of the CBS O&Os (except Chicago, Salt Lake and Green Bay) air Larry Elder. CBS/Viacom/King World does not own the show (it's Warner Bros.), so if you can convince them to dump that for an hour you may get to see The New New Battlestars hosted by Graham Elwood and 21st Century Tattletales (taped in Massachusetts) hosted by Richard Simmons.
Hey! WKMG CBS 6 did carry Guiding Light at 10 AM! Wonder if they still do?
--Mike
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That about says it all.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' date=\'Feb 25 2005, 10:39 PM\']3-character response to long post quoted in its entirety
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Congratulations, you have just made David Zinkin's 10-most-wanted list.
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He was probably too busy watching his Primestar satelitte in Atlanta.