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Was anybody else up for the job besides Tom Kennedy?
Did anyone else shoot a pilot assuming Kennedy did?
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I imagine they went to Bob Barker first. Good question though. Who else could have done it?
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 08:24 PM\']I imagine they went to Bob Barker first. Good question though. Who else could have done it?
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Geoff Edwards certainly would have done well. How do you believe Bert Convy would have fared?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 09:27 PM\'][quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 08:24 PM\']I imagine they went to Bob Barker first. Good question though. Who else could have done it?
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Geoff Edwards certainly would have done well. How do you believe Bert Convy would have fared?
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Bert didn't seem to do as well with the civilians as he did with the celebs, as we had a thread about on ATGS a few years ago. Geoff would have done well, and wouldn't be a bad idea for a classic emcee to join the TPiR Live clique if he were asked. Ditto for Peter Tomarken, and he'd have gotten to work with Rod halfway through that season to boot.
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Imagine Peter Marshall in the role.
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I would have liked Dennis James or Jack Narz.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 08:54 PM\']Bert didn't seem to do as well with the civilians as he did with the celebs, as we had a thread about on ATGS a few years ago.
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I'm not sure I buy that, and while doing a quick search on google.com regarding this "thread" I found varying opinions in various threads about Convy's ability to deal with civilian contestants--much of which were positive about said ability.
Can you provide a little more specific detail that leads you to this conclusion (like a little more about the premise of the thread that you have in mind so I can see it for myself)? Personally, I always thought his work on SP was fine.
Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 10:46 PM\'][quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 08:54 PM\']Bert didn't seem to do as well with the civilians as he did with the celebs, as we had a thread about on ATGS a few years ago.
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I'm not sure I buy that, and while doing a quick search on google.com regarding this "thread" I found varying opinions in various threads about Convy's ability to deal with civilian contestants--much of which were positive about said ability.
Can you provide a little more specific detail that leads you to this conclusion (like a little more about the premise of the thread that you have in mind so I can see it for myself)? Personally, I always thought his work on SP was fine.
Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues
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The beef some have about his SP and WLOD work is that he spent more time yukking it up with celebs than he did with the contestants. Whether he could have successfully done a show with contestants only, and no celebs, we will never know.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 10:27 PM\']The beef some have about his SP and WLOD work is that he spent more time yukking it up with celebs than he did with the contestants. Whether he could have successfully done a show with contestants only, and no celebs, we will never know.
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I accept that. It's a little less blanket than what you made it sound like in the previous post. Thanks.
Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues
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I imagine they went to Bob Barker first.
Per my interview with Tom Kennedy, Bob was approached first and didn't want to do it (Bob later told The Onion AV Club that he thought ten shows a week was overexposure) and since Tom was already on the Goodson payroll at that point, I'm guessing he was the immediate choice after Bob.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 10:24 PM\']I would have liked Dennis James or Jack Narz.
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[/quote]Narz -- Kennedy's brother, no less -- may have already crossed over to the "too old" list at the networks by then, remember, it was about a year later that he publicly decried the ageism pervading the hosting ranks, that he could only get work on local shows. And James pretty much retired from games after his first TPIR hitch to concentrate on one weekend in January a year.
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People sometimes describe things in euphemistic terms.
Bob Barker's "overexposure" may mean he didn't feel like taping 10 shows per week.
Dennis James' "retirement" may translate to "put out to pasture", the former being voluntary and the latter not.
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Not to stray off-topic, but didn't Steve Edwards host a TPiR pilot in the late 90's?
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 07:47 AM\']Not to stray off-topic, but didn't Steve Edwards host a TPiR pilot in the late 90's?
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Wrong local LA-TV Anchor...it was Mark Kriski, who tried out for the 94 version....
And he lost to Doug Davidson? Geez...
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 07:47 AM\']Not to stray off-topic, but didn't Steve Edwards host a TPiR pilot in the late 90's?
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He did host a pilot for a revival in the early 90s, but it wasn't TPIR, but rather for a syndicated Scrabble(Woolery was doing Love Connection and was about to be doing his short-lived daily hour long gabfest in syndication at the time).
Someone say 40-50 who had already had hosting experience would have been worth a shot for that syndie run of TPIR(Barker was 48 when he first hosted the CBS version). Tomarken or Geoff Edwards or even Jim Perry or Chuck Woolery(the latter two had syndie hosting gigs at the time) would all have been worth the shot. Kennedy was no slouchy choice, either. But even Bob Barker hosting it wouldn't have helped its ratings much with time slots like 2:30AM in NYC or against WOF or the then-growing J! in other cities.
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i read somewhere that Marc Summers lobbied hard for the gig... don't know if that was true, but he would have been damn good at it....
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 10:44 AM\']i read somewhere that Marc Summers lobbied hard for the gig... don't know if that was true, but he would have been damn good at it....
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In 85? If that would have happened, there might never have been a "Double Dare." Which might have been a good thing. No matter how old he gets, Mark will always be considered a "kiddie" game show host. TPIR would have been a primo gig for a first-time host.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 11:56 AM\']No matter how old he gets, Mark will always be considered a "kiddie" game show host.[/quote]
More than J.D. Roth?
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They both have that stigma, IMO, though more people are probably familiar with Marc. Off the top of your head, can you name the last five game shows JD hosted?
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Has J.D. Roth even hosted five game shows? There was Fun House, Masters of the Maze, Sex Wars, and if you want to count the show he does on Saturday mornings on NBC (the Survivor ripoff w/ kids), that's four. Am I missing anything?
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 12:14 PM\']Has J.D. Roth even hosted five game shows? There was Fun House, Masters of the Maze, Sex Wars, and if you want to count the show he does on Saturday mornings on NBC (the Survivor ripoff w/ kids), that's four. Am I missing anything?
Tyshaun
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He did the FLorida lottery game show Flamingo Fortune IIRC. He also did Zooventure on Animal Planet and DOuble Up, a short lived teen relationship game show on NBC in Fall 1992.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 11:56 AM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 10:44 AM\']i read somewhere that Marc Summers lobbied hard for the gig... don't know if that was true, but he would have been damn good at it....
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In 85? If that would have happened, there might never have been a "Double Dare." Which might have been a good thing. No matter how old he gets, Mark will always be considered a "kiddie" game show host. TPIR would have been a primo gig for a first-time host.
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No Jimmy, the 94 version. And I wholeheartedly disagree with the always a kid show host thing. He's more than proved himself otherwise with EVERY other non-kid game show he's done.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 12:50 PM\']I wholeheartedly disagree with the always a kid show host thing. He's more than proved himself otherwise with EVERY other non-kid game show he's done.
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For my part, he broke the kiddie show mold entirely while hosting History IQ.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 12:48 PM\'][quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 12:14 PM\']Has J.D. Roth even hosted five game shows? There was Fun House, Masters of the Maze, Sex Wars, and if you want to count the show he does on Saturday mornings on NBC (the Survivor ripoff w/ kids), that's four. Am I missing anything?
Tyshaun
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No, that was J.D. ROBERTO, current host of the dreaded Shop 'til you Drop on Pax.
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Don't get me wrong, I like Marc. I just think he has been typecast as a kid's show host. From DD to WWYD to PYB. Even "Wintuition" was set in a classroom.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 12:30 PM\']Don't get me wrong, I like Marc. I just think he has been typecast as a kid's show host. From DD to WWYD to PYB.
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...to Couch Potatoes, to History IQ, to Trivia Unwrapped.
Think it all you like. You're still wrong.
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...to Couch Potatoes, to History IQ, to Trivia Unwrapped.
Think it all you like. You're still wrong.
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Would you agree that, at the time of the Davidson TPIR of 1994, Marc was best known as a kiddie-game show host?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 02:27 PM\']Would you agree that, at the time of the Davidson TPIR of 1994, Marc was best known as a kiddie-game show host?
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That was not your statement. Your statement was, unilaterally, and even in the present tense:
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 09:56 AM\']No matter how old he gets, Mark will always be considered a "kiddie" game show host.[/quote]
...and that is the statement I am disagreeing with, no other.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 04:08 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 12:30 PM\']Don't get me wrong, I like Marc. I just think he has been typecast as a kid's show host. From DD to WWYD to PYB.
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I don't think so. I think more people remember his efforts on Double Dare than the other three. In fact, I'd be surprised if people even know that he hosted the other three. He has been given a shot by producers, but all three of his adult shows fizzled out within a couple years. Undoubtedly, people think of his kid shows before anything else.
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What a shock.
He has been given a shot by producers, but all three of his adult shows fizzled out within a couple years. Undoubtedly, people think of his kid shows before anything else.
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I would imagine MOST people don't even know who the hell he is, period.
New Feud and H2 aside (and of course J! and Wheel), please present the list of programs that were on the same time period that Summer's "adult" shows were that enjoyed any more success.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 07:53 PM\']New Feud and H2 aside (and of course J! and Wheel), please present the list of programs that were on the same time period that Summers' "adult" shows were that enjoyed any more success.
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I'm sorry, but what does that have to do with anything?
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[quote name=\'STYDfan\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 06:10 PM\']I'm sorry, but what does that have to do with anything?
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Because I'm suggesting that NO syndicated game show (with the exception of the evergreens I mentioned) enjoyed any more success than anything Summers did.
In other words, you're blaming Summers. I'm blaming the market.
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[quote name=\'STYDfan\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 07:46 PM\']I don't think so.
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Take the word "so" out of there and you might have something.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 09:45 PM\']In other words, you're blaming Summers. I'm blaming the market.
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For the record;some of the 1989 entries were "Third Degree", "The Last Word" and "Jackpot". They all fizzled rather quickly as well...which would indicate that 89-90 wasn't a good year for game shows. Not to mention that NBC canned Sale and Super Password earlier that year.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 02:04 PM\']For the record;some of the 1989 entries were "Third Degree", "The Last Word" and "Jackpot". They all fizzled rather quickly as well...which would indicate that 89-90 wasn't a good year for game shows. Not to mention that NBC canned Sale and Super Password earlier that year.
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Not to mention "Win, Lose or Draw" on the network, "Card Sharks on CBS", and every syndicated show from the class of 1988 excluding "Family Feud" and "Fun House". And that year there were gobs of them. 1989 was not a good year for the TV game show as we knew it.
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I know daytime WoF wasn't technically cancelled (unless you want to count the two week interim between network switches as being a "cancellation"), but when it reemerged on CBS after having served NBC well for 14+ years in 1989 it was a mere shell of its former self (top dollar amounts were much lower, and even when NBC reacquired the show in 1991 the budget was still skimpy).
Insert gratuitous Rolf joke here. :)
Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues (and that's the last time I'll be typing that, unless we change providers)
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 07:10 PM\']Add to the list of 1989 goodbyes: Fandango on TNN, Davidson HS, Rodriguez NG, McGregor DG, NYSI89(came and went),
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I would like to add "The Gong Show" (Bleu).
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 08:00 PM\']I know daytime WoF wasn't technically cancelled (unless you want to count the two week interim between network switches as being a "cancellation"), but when it reemerged on CBS after having served NBC well for 14+ years in 1989 it was a mere shell of its former self (top dollar amounts were much lower, and even when NBC reacquired the show in 1991 the budget was still skimpy).
Insert gratuitous Rolf joke here. :)
Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues (and that's the last time I'll be typing that, unless we change providers)
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The conversion to cash(save for special prizes on the Wheel) in the maingame that came with the move to CBS probably necessitated the lowered Wheel values. Yes, I think the spaces less than $100 were still cheap despite that, but they only lasted for the first three months or so. The nighttime version were able to keep the amounts on the wheel it had when converting to cash because the show was doing well enough to afford it, in fact, the top dollar value in round two increased 150%. The daytime show was struggling quite a bit in the ratings by 1989, and the daytime show probably could not afford to have the values on the Wheel when converting to cash that the NBC version had.
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I'm positive those who have been watching Wheel's 1988-89 syndicated season ad nauseum on GSN could tell you differently.
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[quote name=\'Tony\' date=\'Dec 1 2004, 04:49 PM\'][quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 08:21 PM\']in fact, the top dollar value in round two increased 150%.
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The top dollar value on the round two nighttime wheel from 1983-1987 was $1K, and $2500 from 1987-late 90s.
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I'm positive those who have been watching Wheel's 1988-89 syndicated season ad nauseum on GSN could tell you differently.
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The top dollar value on the round two nighttime wheel from 1983-1987 was $1K, and $2500 from 1987-late 90s.
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Up through the '99-'00 season, I believe, excluding a couple weeks late in the season when they were doing some goofy internet theme.
(And I honestly have no idea why I remember that.)