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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Adam Nedeff on July 21, 2003, 01:20:26 PM
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I was just taking a look at the fourth and final part of Steve Beverly's interview with Tom Kennedy. If you scroll down to Tom talking about the 1975 revival of YDS! you'll find some interesting screengrabs. Gee, I wonder where he got them...
Steve's interview site (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/youdontsay4.htm\")
My You Don't Say site (http://\"http://tomkennedy.gameshowutopia.com/\")
Now I know there are a lot of Steve supporters who might defend him when members of this board criticize his writing, but even the Beverly backers have to agree that taking somebody else's work and using it on your site, without giving proper credit, and more importantly, without asking that person, is pretty damn inexcusable...
ESPECIALLY when you're a former broadcast journalist who currently teachers journalism to the next generation.
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Now watch this..... Steve B will look at this post, and then immediately give you the proper credit for the photos, without acknowleding he made an error.
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That's why I've both saved a copy of the Tom Interview webpage, as is right now, to my hard drive, down to every last graphic and typo, as well as taken a series of screengrabs of the IE window of the whole page.
And what REALLY gets my goat about all this, is that not only did he not give credit, he tried to cover his tracks by tinkering with the brightness on them, resizing one, and cropping the other (And, for the record, in 2 of the 3, you can tell they're the same, because everyone and everything are in the exact same spot. The EXACT same spot. As for the B&W one..what are the odds that 2 people would resize the same photograph to the EXACT same size. Not that good huh. And, not to mention that, as I recall, when I was converting that image for the game show utopia site (For those who didn't know, I do a lot of the grpahical and HTML work on it), the original looked a little green, until I used a filter in PSP7 to turn it to a true B&W. And the photo on tvgs.net has no green to be found, yet is the same photo....hmm)
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Not to change the subject, but... aw, screw it. I'm gonna change the subject.
I was born about halfway through the run of \"You Don't Say\". I have watched more than my fair share of game shows. I've looked at tons of web sites and so forth. That said, I never heard of \"YDS\". Never heard it mentioned, never seen a clip of it (I know, all the tapes were probably destroyed), etc.
Was this show really as big a deal as Mr. Beverly suggests?
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[Zinkin] Steve Beverly is Ken Van Hoosier!! [/Zinkin]
(Just kidding Dave, I don't want to be on Moroniaire, if it's still running)
Seriously, I knew those pics looked familiar. As I was reading that, I thought \"My God....has Beverly gone assclown?\" I think he has.
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Was this show really as big a deal as Mr. Beverly suggests?
No, Steve's understandably letting his fondness for Kennedy cloud his judgment. It was fun enough, and certainly a successful series, but it never captured the public's imagination the way the simpler, classier \"Password\" did. It did make Kennedy's career, and for that we can all be grateful.
As for taking Adam's pictures without permission (to say nothing of attribution), I'm afraid that's becoming more and more common in the file-sharing mentality that's developed on the net. I've had to deal with it a few times. (I take it more seriously than most net issues because often the pictures that are stolen from my site aren't mine, they're Fred Wostbrock's.) Usually, a polite e-mail to the offending party is enough to have the images removed. Guilt is a powerful motivating factor.
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I was born about halfway through the run of \"You Don't Say\". I have watched more than my fair share of game shows. I've looked at tons of web sites and so forth. That said, I never heard of \"YDS\". Never heard it mentioned, never seen a clip of it (I know, all the tapes were probably destroyed), etc.
Was this show really as big a deal as Mr. Beverly suggests?
Is *any* television show that big a deal?
It's obvious that Beverly has a certain fondness for \"YDS!\"--and I don't blame him, because it was a pleasant way to spend a mid-afternoon half-hour. Even if the game had a certain resemblance to \"Password,\" it was still its own show, it played fast and Tom Kennedy was a consummate professional as host, as he was in everything he did. If you liked game shows, you definitely liked this show. If you didn't, you didn't. Whether it was the keystone of the NBC daytime lineup, I'll let those who've done ratings analysis decide.
Now with thirty years' hindsight, we'd find the set a little blah (although much more attractive than those cardboard New York sets, Bill Bohnert's \"Password\" set excepted) and the music cornball (although I always liked the piano chord from Rex Khoury accompanying the turning over of the Bonus Board trilon instead of the standard bell), but the game itself is still a good game and worthy of a revival (although we'd be getting into the same celeb problems that \"Pyramid\" has right now).
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Hmm. Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery Interesting. Well really, in retrospect, what can you expect from a media person? They will cheat, and lie, and cut every corner to make an appealing story. And obviously, the rule isn't exempt for the professor. At least give the credit where the credit is due.
Slight jump off topic: Adam, you web-master a good website. Keep up the splendid work.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 12:44 PM\'] Hmm. Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery Interesting. Well really, in retrospect, what can you expect from a media person? They will cheat, and lie, and cut every corner to make an appealing story. [/quote]
As a former media person, I resent this statement a great deal.
A RESPONSIBLE journalist does the legwork and investigation necessary to FIND an appealing story. The problem is that this often takes some work, and sometimes takes a LOT of work, and some people prefer to take the shortcuts of cheating and lying rather than do work. And you will find that in every industry, not just media.
And obviously, the rule isn't exempt for the professor.
This should tell you why the Perfesser gets the knock he does around here...because despite all of his sanctimonious proselytizing (hey, has \"sanctimonious proselytizing\" ever been a WOF puzzle?) about the \"dirty\" nature of television and how there is no \"wholesome family entertainment\" anymore and all of that rot, he constantly proves that he is just as irresponsible in his own business as the TV producers he constantly complains about are allegedly at theirs.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, eh?
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Well, I read Steve's Tom Kennedy interview. I thought I had seen some of the pictures that went with it before. But, I certainly don't hate the guy for inadvertently posting them on his page.
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But, I certainly don't hate the guy for inadvertently posting them on his page.
Inadvertently? I wouldn't call it that. How do you inadvertently steal pictures from another site and use it on yours?
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[quote name=\'MCArroyo1\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 03:32 PM\']
But, I certainly don't hate the guy for inadvertently posting them on his page.
Inadvertently? I wouldn't call it that. How do you inadvertently steal pictures from another site and use it on yours? [/quote]
You know, I did a images search on Google, but I only got one or two grabs...so much for giving Perfessor benefit of the doubt. :-P
And, whoever made that media crack, I also resent that. I've worked at a news station, and now intern at one of MTV's sister channels, and I don't think I've run into a single reporter that doesn't know about how to tactfully gather stuff for a story. Sorry, no match. (MG 7x buzz)
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[quote name=\'MCArroyo1\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 03:32 PM\']
But, I certainly don't hate the guy for inadvertently posting them on his page.
Inadvertently? I wouldn't call it that. How do you inadvertently steal pictures from another site and use it on yours? [/quote]
I got the wild notion that that was Beverly under an alias. I'll go to the TTD90--wait, make that the What's Going On room now.
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As Mike Klauss used to say, \"You can't spell SB without BS!\"
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 04:45 PM\']I got the wild notion that that was Beverly under an alias. [/quote]
It's not. I just happen to be a frequent reader of Professor Beverly's page. I apologize if I ruffled any feathers here.
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[quote name=\'CBSJokersWildFan\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 03:50 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 04:45 PM\']I got the wild notion that that was Beverly under an alias. [/quote]
It's not. I just happen to be a frequent reader of Professor Beverly's page. I apologize if I ruffled any feathers here. [/quote]
No problem. Like I said, it was a wild notion that just jumped into my head.
As Mike Klauss used to say, \"You can't spell SB without BS!\"
And you can't spell \"Steve Beverly\" without \"steel!\" [I know, it's a stretch]
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 03:14 PM\'] (hey, has "sanctimonious proselytizing" ever been a WOF puzzle?) [/quote]
Well, Chris, I believe \"PROSELYTIZING\" was a Megaword Puzzle back in May of 1993. ;)
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I apologize if I ruffled any feathers here.
No problem, but you do need to understand that this isn't a matter of disagreeing with an opinion. Virtually all of us regularly read the site, even many who claim they don't. We can debate about the seriousness of the \"crime\" all we want, and of course you're welcome to have any opinion you want about the man himself. But to suggest that the pictures accidentally made their way to Steve's site, or that he didn't mean for them to appear there, really doesn't make any sense. You do understand the meaning of the word \"inadvertently\", don't you?
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Never mind the screen grabs. Technically, those aren't your property. If you made a print replication of a Warhol painting, then Steve went and made an exact replication using the same process, I really wouldn't recommend revving up your respective attorneys, because both of you could be found to be in hot water if there was any notion that either of you were using the images as part of a commercial venture.
What really irks me is the fact that the man is basically interviewing himself, and poor Tom Kennedy is merely a bystander.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 05:30 PM\'] What really irks me is the fact that the man is basically interviewing himself, and poor Tom Kennedy is merely a bystander. [/quote]
The same can be said with his interview with Kathy Garver, where Steve leads her into talking about how family-unfriendly TV is...interesting she mentions PAX, which I thought was in (ObGameShow) jeopardy.
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I wouldn't really call SB a journalist. He's a game show fan who posts news tidbits that often go way overboard in the editorializing department. Few people ever think TV is as good as it was years ago.
I bet if we really put our heads together, we could come up with a better game show news site. You know, one with a real editor and journalistic principles. Maybe one that carries editorials, but marks them as such. One that interviews actually interesting people instead of those that agree with your own viewpoint about television being a vast wasteland.
It's a niche that's currently unfilled. I'd be willing to pull up my sleeves and help...but I don't know anything in the way of advanced web design and I'm just a baby when it comes to Photoshop. So, if it is to be done, it would need to be a group effort.
Is it worth doing? Shall we challenge the professor?
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 05:43 PM\'] I bet if we really put our heads together, we could come up with a better game show news site. You know, one with a real editor and journalistic principles. Maybe one that carries editorials, but marks them as such. One that interviews actually interesting people instead of those that agree with your own viewpoint about television being a vast wasteland.
It's a niche that's currently unfilled. I'd be willing to pull up my sleeves and help...but I don't know anything in the way of advanced web design and I'm just a baby when it comes to Photoshop. So, if it is to be done, it would need to be a group effort.
Is it worth doing? Shall we challenge the professor? [/quote]
There is one site, GameShow NewsNet
http://www.stormseeker.com/games/index.html (http://\"http://www.stormseeker.com/games/index.html\")
Another site was the Game Show Times, from April 2002, run by Mike Klauss...unfortunately, things there fell through, with lack of contribution (yet we have people who give Steve tons of GS info...go figure), disappointing many, including myself.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:22 PM\']You do understand the meaning of the word \"inadvertently\", don't you?[/quote]
Yes, Mr. Ottinger, I do. I apologize if I used the wrong word. May I e-mail you with a question?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 05:51 PM\']
There is one site, GameShow NewsNet
http://www.stormseeker.com/games/index.html (http://\"http://www.stormseeker.com/games/index.html\")[/quote]
And since we've already been \"plugged\"...we are ALWAYS looking for people to contribute to the site. Chico and Gordon do a WHOLE LOT for the site, and I have many ideas that due to time constraints and relying on Geocities server space, can't be done at this time.
That said, if anyone wants to help us out (contributors, server space, etc.) and maybe help us move to the next level, please use our feedback form on the webpage. Our 'contributors' list is always open.
--Jason E.
Webmaster, GSNN
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(Just kidding Dave, I don't want to be on Moroniaire, if it's still running)
For PeterMarshallFan and everyone else who's asked me this: Moronionaire is over. It's true that JW and I toyed with the idea of bringing it back, but Matt and Chris came up with a better solution -- a forum where Moronionaire isn't necessary or relevant.
- David
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I was not aware of that site. No sense reinventing the wheel. If I can help out, I'll certainly do so. :)
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[quote name=\'ssjason\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:02 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 05:51 PM\']
There is one site, GameShow NewsNet
http://www.stormseeker.com/games/index.html (http://\"http://www.stormseeker.com/games/index.html\")[/quote]
And since we've already been "plugged"...we are ALWAYS looking for people to contribute to the site. Chico and Gordon do a WHOLE LOT for the site, and I have many ideas that due to time constraints and relying on Geocities server space, can't be done at this time.
That said, if anyone wants to help us out (contributors, server space, etc.) and maybe help us move to the next level, please use our feedback form on the webpage. Our 'contributors' list is always open.
--Jason E.
Webmaster, GSNN [/quote]
I had the pleasure of meeting Gordon in Las Vegas. He is a great guy. I would be happy to contribute what I can to your site. Please e-mail me at timerika@bellsouth.net .
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And we're back around to \"let's challenge the professor\" again. It's amazing how many times we run ourselves around into the same circles.
The criticism of Steve Beverly always seems to miss the staggering amount of effort he puts into keeping his website fresh and current. Sure, he takes shortcuts and sure, he reveals a personal bias. It's a personal web site, one that happens to be popular. GameShow NewsNet is pretty popular too, and if you want unvarnished news items and recaps of what happened on the shows themselves, our own Chris Lambert keeps his Original Game Show Page updated pretty consistantly at http://www.chris-lambert.com/GSP.html (http://\"http://www.chris-lambert.com/GSP.html\") .
The fact is that Beverly is a big game show fan and, separately, he has legitimate journalistic credentials. That's not debatable. What seems to irk his critics is that he's taken the two separate things, plus a lot of gumption and hard work, and managed to make his personal fan site look more important than it really is. The internet is full of that sort of thing, people who take a personal interest and turn it into something bigger, and I don't know of any webmaster who wouldn't love for the same thing to happen to his site.
Call him on it when he makes a mistake -- and yes, taking Adam's pictures without asking was at the very least a moral mistake, SplitSecond's valid dismissal of the legal issues notwithstanding. But don't think for a moment that a loosely confederated group of fans can get together and mount a serious challenge to what he's accomplished. It's been tried.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:08 PM\']
(Just kidding Dave, I don't want to be on Moroniaire, if it's still running)
For PeterMarshallFan and everyone else who's asked me this: Moronionaire is over. It's true that JW and I toyed with the idea of bringing it back, but Matt and Chris came up with a better solution -- a forum where Moronionaire isn't necessary or relevant.
- David [/quote]
OK.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:18 PM\'] And we're back around to "let's challenge the professor" again. It's amazing how many times we run ourselves around into the same circles.
The criticism of Steve Beverly always seems to miss the staggering amount of effort he puts into keeping his website fresh and current. Sure, he takes shortcuts and sure, he reveals a personal bias. It's a personal web site, one that happens to be popular. GameShow NewsNet is pretty popular too, and if you want unvarnished news items and recaps of what happened on the shows themselves, our own Chris Lambert keeps his Original Game Show Page updated pretty consistantly at http://www.chris-lambert.com/GSP.html (http://\"http://www.chris-lambert.com/GSP.html\") .
The fact is that Beverly is a big game show fan and, separately, he has legitimate journalistic credentials. That's not debatable. What seems to irk his critics is that he's taken the two separate things, plus a lot of gumption and hard work, and managed to make his personal fan site look more important than it really is. The internet is full of that sort of thing, people who take a personal interest and turn it into something bigger, and I don't know of any webmaster who wouldn't love for the same thing to happen to his site.
Call him on it when he makes a mistake -- and yes, taking Adam's pictures without asking was at the very least a moral mistake, SplitSecond's valid dismissal of the legal issues notwithstanding. But don't think for a moment that a loosely confederated group of fans can get together and mount a serious challenge to what he's accomplished. It's been tried. [/quote]
Well said Matt. I respect Steve for the amount of effort it takes for him to put his site together and I also respect his love for game shows. I am not going to get into the debate of whether taking pictures is wrong. It is wrong.
However, it is not my my place to point fingers and I do not even think this really should be a public discussion. The man is not here to defend himself. I think this is a private matter that needs to be handled privately by those who are affected.
Just my opinion. Fire away if you wish.
Tim
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Oh, I respect the work he puts into the site and the love he has for game shows. And I respect that he's a journalist with a lot of accomplishments. I'm just saying that there's room for a website that doesn't have his viewpoint that reports the news.
I'm not irked by his success. It really is hard work. I just disagree with some of his viewpoints and think another way can be successful.
That being said, I agree that it isn't easy to commit to a website without a strong leader and staff. But SB has a staff (unless he refers to himself in the third person in the stories he writes), so I don't see why it couldn't (in theory, at least) work. What's past is not always prologue.
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Well put, Tim.
Now normally, I defend some of Steve's views, and the way he does things sometimes-I always used the argument, \"It's his site, he's the premiere site for info on GS.\"
However, this is WRONG. Steve, if you are reading this, You were wrong in taking his pics. That's not fair to Adam, and that's just rude.
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It's entirely possible that Steve may be using the same source material. Aren't those grabs off a Shokus tape? We all know Steve is good buddes with Stu Shostak.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 02:44 PM\']Well really, in retrospect, what can you expect from a media person? They will cheat, and lie, and cut every corner to make an appealing story.[/quote]
That's a gross and offensive generalization.
A media person,
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Since when was YDS '75 on Shokus tapes?
Covering the Screengrabs
First off, let's start with the logo pic. The chase lights, if you look really closely, are in the EXACT same position. This could, FEASIBLY, be coincidence.
But, in the 2nd picture, the coincidence window is stretched RAZOR thin. Everyone and everything are in the EXACT same spots in both pictures. The only differences are that A)The Brightness has been turned up a tad, B)The Edges have been slightly cropped [which is the case for nearly all pics on his sight], and C)There's JPEG artifacts in the picture from where the file was resaved...
(There are rarely if ever artifacts left over in an original screengrab.....I know there are none in the ones I take using my Dazzle [and by default, WinXP saves the screens in JPG format]. It's only after you take a pic into an editor and edit/resave it that the artifacts appear [The amount of artifacts is dependent on the compression amount...default leaves a noticeable but not major amount, which the pic in question has])
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WHOA! I just read the last thing I typed. That made me sound like an idiot. When I typed that out, I REALLY didn't mean it like that. I meant that MANY people in the media do that, and MANY will cheat and lie, exc. But there is also many good, trusted media people out there. I'm REALLY sorry for the previous comment. If I really offended somebody, then I give you my absolute most sincere apologies. Still, if steve was a decent media person, he should have given the credit where the credit is due.
If it makes you media people feel any better, If you see me walking across the street someday, you can beat me senseless with Card Sharks '01 tapes.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 08:50 PM\']It's entirely possible that Steve may be using the same source material.[/quote]
Which was what I was trying to say, initially. He may have seen those pictures without knowing they were already in use on another site. That's what I meant to say when I used \"inadvertently\" inadvertently.
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[quote name=\'CBSJokersWildFan\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 02:26 AM\'] [quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 08:50 PM\']It's entirely possible that Steve may be using the same source material.[/quote]
Which was what I was trying to say, initially. He may have seen those pictures without knowing they were already in use on another site. That's what I meant to say when I used "inadvertently" inadvertently. [/quote]
No no no no no.
No.
The pictures for Steve's Tom Kennedy story come from two sources. One of them is a magnificent copy of an original show with Pat Carroll and Mel Torme, that I'm assuming Steve had access to through his friendship with Kennedy himself.
And three shots came from Adam's page about YDS '75. Even if they were working off the same \"source material\" (and I don't think Stu offers any YDS for sale), when you see the two sets of pictures, it's simply impossible to chalk the identical images up to coincidence. Or \"inadvertentness\".
The pictures came from Adam's site. Say what you want about the legal, moral, ethical, whateverical issue involved. But the fact that the pictures on Steve's site came from Adam's page is a given.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 10:52 PM\'](and I don't think Stu offers any YDS for sale)[/quote]
Well, after I last posted, I checked the Shokus Video site, and ,at present, there are no episodes of You Don't Say!, from any run, available.
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\']when you see the two sets of pictures, it's simply impossible to chalk the identical images up to coincidence. Or \"inadvertentness\".
The pictures came from Adam's site[/quote]
I think I agree with you. I wish to repudiate my earlier remarks. I also apologize to anyone I might have offended by anything I posted in this thread.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 12:31 PM\'] I was born about halfway through the run of "You Don't Say". I have watched more than my fair share of game shows. I've looked at tons of web sites and so forth. That said, I never heard of "YDS". Never heard it mentioned, never seen a clip of it (I know, all the tapes were probably destroyed), etc.
Was this show really as big a deal as Mr. Beverly suggests? [/quote]
I don't know if it was that big a deal, but my father occasionally waxes nostalgic about watching it and \"The Match Game\" with his mother after he got home from school. So there are at least three people with good memories of \"YDS\" (including Tom Kennedy and Steve Beverly).
Not that I do much tape trading, but I happen to know there are a couple of episodes on the trading circuit.
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Well it seems I set off quite an uproar here...
OK, we can put this to bed folks, here's why:
Immediately after I posted the first item in this thread, I e-mailed Steve Beverly with essentially the same words. I just received a response from him basically saying he got the images from Google's cache and didn't know where they originally came from, but now that I've made contact with him, he will post a link to my site and credit me properly.
And that's the end of that. Period.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 09:25 PM\'] basically saying he got the images from Google's cache and didn't know where they originally came from,
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So it ain't plagarism if you don't know the source. Makes me wish I were one of his students, I would LOVE to try that with one of his term papers.
but now that I've made contact with him, he will post a link to my site and credit me properly.
Sure, now that he's been caught red-handed.
All props to him for trying to make it right, but this won't go unforgotten.
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*sigh* if he can't figure out where images are from in a Google search, is he smart enough to be a perfesser? Even in Tennessee?
(with apologies to all the fine, hard-working folks in Tennessee).
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if he can't figure out where images are from in a Google search, is he smart enough to be a perfesser
I think it's much more accurate to say he didn't bother to worry where they came from. To whatever degree he thought about it at all, I doubt Steve considered what he was doing to be any big deal. That's his fan side taking priority over his journalist side. As I said earlier in the thread, usually all it takes -- as it did in this case -- is a gentle e-mail.
(with apologies to all the fine, hard-working folks in Tennessee).
Or FROM Tennessee, like your friendly moderator?
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Actualy, I just visited the page, and the YDS '75 images are gone. No mention of anything, just some YDS '63 images in their place
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 08:27 AM\'] Actualy, I just visited the page, and the YDS '75 images are gone. No mention of anything, just some YDS '63 images in their place [/quote]
First off, Steve e-mails Adam and says he'll keep the YDS pics and give credit to him. Then he pulls the pictures off the site entirely.
Say one thing and do another. Very nice work, Perfesser.
Can we get back to this thing about challenging Beverly? I was the Squares Guy on the Game Show Times and I also contributed to it with pictures and stories. We had a very good thing going there for what I felt was too short a time and I would love to be part of another such effort. We need to read a nice page about Game Shows without needing to know what \"The Bachelorette\" is up to. Quite simply put, it's time again. We could even build it around the Invision board here if possible.
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I like that idea, Robair! We could all contribute and work on it.
Who do we see about getting that off the ground?
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 11:45 AM\']I like that idea, Robair! We could all contribute and work on it.
Who do we see about getting that off the ground?[/quote]
Maybe we could revive the attempted Game Show Times page. I think it was Mike Klauss who ran it. I was one of the people who helped contribute to it by sending in recaps, but apparently no one else did. Frankly, it was \"still-born.\"
Or maybe we can help Game Show NewsNet. I think there's only five people on the staff. The site doesn't get updated too often.
Dean Scungio
dscungio@worldnet.att.net (dscungio@worldnet.att.net)
AIM & Y!: dascungio (Note the \"a\"!)
\"It's not how much we give away,
it's the way we do it.\" -Monty Hall
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[quote name=\'dscungio\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 12:04 PM\'] Maybe we could revive the attempted Game Show Times page. I think it was Mike Klauss who ran it. I was one of the people who helped contribute to it by sending in recaps, but apparently no one else did. Frankly, it was "still-born."
Or maybe we can help Game Show NewsNet. I think there's only five people on the staff. The site doesn't get updated too often. [/quote]
You guys must've liked the GST since we're talking about it 15 months after its ~6-week life.
gameshowtimes.com should be available; I only purchased it for one year. I'll be too busy with a full class load and hopefully a job starting in 5 weeks. Hence, there's no way I can run it. I wouldn't mind contributing to it or GSSN, which I've done on occasion. If you guys want to pursue this, I'm all for it.
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The Good Professor should know that his (and Adam's) use of YDS! pictures, no matter the source, are covered under the Fair Use Doctrine. If he doesn't know about the Fair Use Doctrine I would have to call his qualifications as a journalism professor into question.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 11:30 PM\'] I would have to call his qualifications as a journalism professor into question. [/quote]
Hell, I do that on pretty much a daily basis anyhow. ;)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:18 PM\'] And we're back around to "let's challenge the professor" again. It's amazing how many times we run ourselves around into the same circles.
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All we really need is a board with the 30 or so threads that keep repeating, and anytime someone wants to discuss a GS, they just look until they find someone who already had that opinion...
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Well, we are a group largely devoted to reruns.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jul 23 2003, 01:16 PM\'] Well, we are a group largely devoted to reruns. [/quote]
Speak of yourself. I have no interest whatsoever in Frederick Stubbs.
[ducking]
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jul 23 2003, 06:21 PM\'] Speak of yourself. I have no interest whatsoever in Frederick Stubbs.
[ducking] [/quote]
As Colin Quinn used to say,
RAJ!
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 02:34 PM\']Steve Beverly is Ken Van Hoosier!!
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Let it go, guys.
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Nov 24 2003, 03:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 02:34 PM\']Steve Beverly is Ken Van Hoosier!!
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Let it go, guys. [/quote]
Seeing as how the last response on this thread was four MONTHS ago and that the specific line you quoted was the fifth out of 54 responses, about the worst possible thing you could possibly do if you actually wanted us to "let it go" would be to bump this up to the top again with a four-word message. Way to go!
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 12:20 PM\'] [snip]
Now I know there are a lot of Steve supporters who might defend him when members of this board criticize his writing, but even the Beverly backers have to agree that taking somebody else's work and using it on your site, without giving proper credit, and more importantly, without asking that person, is pretty damn inexcusable...
ESPECIALLY when you're a former broadcast journalist who currently teachers journalism to the next generation. [/quote]
The Perfessor should know this, but taking someone else's work and claiming it as your own is called PLAGIARISM in academic circles, including the one where he works.
From someone who does REAL academic research (not to mention my OWN work and fully crediitng those I do cite) to someone who ought to know better, "Perfessor" Steve Beverly, you get an "F" for the semester in my gradebook for this.
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Sorry, grades for the Summer Semester were turned in in July. (TPiR losing horns play)
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Nov 24 2003, 08:53 PM\'] Sorry, grades for the Summer Semester were turned in in July. (TPiR losing horns play) [/quote]
(NBC Nasty Buzzer plays) Wrong answer. The Perfesser turned in this essay in the fall semester. You can join the rest of us in the month of November whenever you're ready. Turkey Day is just around the corner, in case you come out of hibernation between now and then.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Nov 24 2003, 10:25 PM\'] [quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Nov 24 2003, 08:53 PM\'] Sorry, grades for the Summer Semester were turned in in July. (TPiR losing horns play) [/quote]
(NBC Nasty Buzzer plays) Wrong answer. The Perfesser turned in this essay in the fall semester. You can join the rest of us in the month of November whenever you're ready. Turkey Day is just around the corner, in case you come out of hibernation between now and then. [/quote]
Wait a second, I see your point. I didn't catch the date at the top of SBIFOS's page until I took a second look at it. Still, he ought to be *flunked* for academic dishonesty after the semeter is over. There's no statute of limitations, so to speak, until the degree is awarded. Even then, some schools can take some kind of action.
Point being: SBIFOS shouldn't have done what he did.