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I saw that 'I've Got a Secret' reruns are on the Oxygen network.
Was this another misbegotten Pearson production? If so the others ('Feud', 'Card Sharks') still get commented on, either pro or con, but not this.
Was this in a class by itself in terms of low quality?
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Well, I can tell you this much -- the show ran on Oxygen to begin with, so that probably explains why not a lot of people have seen it. (I sure as heck haven't.)
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I thought it was Carsey-Werner (Cosby YBYL) that mounted that version.
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I watch this every morning. It's fairly decent. Stephanie Miller does a good job as host. The panel is usually Amy Yasbeck, Jason Kravitz, Teri Garr and Jim J. Bullock. The show's Oxygen gimmick is that the set is supposed to resemble Stephanie Miller's high-rise apartment, and the contestants are "guests coming over."
The one thing I can't stand is the announcer. No enthusiasm at all.
Other than that, it's a good show.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Nov 16 2004, 08:32 PM\']I watch this every morning. It's fairly decent. Stephanie Miller does a good job as host. The panel is usually Amy Yasbeck, Jason Kravitz, Teri Garr and Jim J. Bullock. The show's Oxygen gimmick is that the set is supposed to resemble Stephanie Miller's high-rise apartment, and the contestants are "guests coming over."
The one thing I can't stand is the announcer. No enthusiasm at all.
Other than that, it's a good show.
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Also, sometimes Amy's late husband, John Ritter, appears.
Speaking of game show reruns on cable, History Channel still airs History IQ Saturday at 6:30 a.m. It's been on there since HC abruptly pulled it after the $250,000 tournament three years ago.
Brian
The Jehovah's Witnesses distribute Mad magazine?
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When Geraldine whatshername founded Oxygen, she was looking for various kinds of programming, and apparently found that she could get the rights to IGAS, don't ask me how. What surprises me is that there's no credit at all for Goodson, much less Todman, as the show's creators (or anybody else, for that matter). You'd think at least Allen Sherman's family would have filed a lawsuit.
That said, O2IGAS isn't all bad if only as an interesting look at how a panel show might be updated for more modern viewing. I remember when it first came on somebody asked how you could have a panel show without a panel at a desk.) The panel itself is pretty forgettable and there aren't enough of the crazy stunts that were a highlight of the Moore version, but I like Stephanie Miller (liked her old talk show, too). I think they did a better job with this than Fremangle did with, say, Card Guppies.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 12:41 AM\']When Geraldine whatshername founded Oxygen, she was looking for various kinds of programming, and apparently found that she could get the rights to IGAS, don't ask me how. What surprises me is that there's no credit at all for Goodson, much less Todman, as the show's creators (or anybody else, for that matter). You'd think at least Allen Sherman's family would have filed a lawsuit.
That said, O2IGAS isn't all bad if only as an interesting look at how a panel show might be updated for more modern viewing. I remember when it first came on somebody asked how you could have a panel show without a panel at a desk.) The panel itself is pretty forgettable and there aren't enough of the crazy stunts that were a highlight of the Moore version, but I like Stephanie Miller (liked her old talk show, too). I think they did a better job with this than Fremangle did with, say, Card Guppies.
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A little googling finds this thread about ownership
http://tinyurl.com/4m237 (http://\"http://tinyurl.com/4m237\")
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 12:41 AM\']When Geraldine whatshername founded Oxygen, she was looking for various kinds of programming, and apparently found that she could get the rights to IGAS, don't ask me how. What surprises me is that there's no credit at all for Goodson, much less Todman, as the show's creators (or anybody else, for that matter). You'd think at least Allen Sherman's family would have filed a lawsuit.
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Carsey-Werner landed the rights to this show circa early 90s. C-W would have possibly done an hour block with IGAS and Cosby YBYL in syndication if the latter had been successful, which it really wasn't.
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Carsey-Werner was in on the founding of Oxygen, with Oprah Winfrey, the talk-show hostess, and apparently this Geraldine whats-her-name. So that's how she found out.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 12:41 AM\'].. Geraldine whatshername ...
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This whats-her-name is Geraldine Laybourne, who also co-founded Nickelodeon in 1979.
ObGS: She co-EP'd the first couple of episodes of Nick's Double Dare in 1986 before leaving the showrunning duties to Geoffrey Darby.
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The Oxygen remake of IGAS did many things right. The casual setting was a nice touch, the secrets were as solidly interesting and entertaining as they were in the Garry Moore heyday, and Miller, though an acquired taste for some, did an OK job as host. The problem, as I've said before, was the panel and the prize structure.
With the exception of Yasbeck, NOBODY knew how to play, and that goomba Bullock obviously didn't even care. If the playing of the game isn't interesting -- and how could it be when nobody knew how? -- then don't play the game and just have a talk show with these interesting guests.
Also, paying the guests significant amounts of money for the failure of the panel never made any sense. You should root for the game -- any game -- to be played WELL, not for the game to be played badly. The old games got around that by playing for modest stakes (and usually paying the maximum anyway), and the seventies versions dropped a prize structure altogether.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Nov 16 2004, 09:00 PM\']I saw that 'I've Got a Secret' reruns are on the Oxygen network.
Was this another misbegotten Pearson production? If so the others ('Feud', 'Card Sharks') still get commented on, either pro or con, but not this.
Was this in a class by itself in terms of low quality?
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The Show I thought was pretty well done in terms of what they COULD have done with it..I posted a review of the show here in the Forums on January 1, 2004, .As that is when I first got to see it (December 2003). Be On the lookout for a special episode..with guests Betsy Palmer and Steve Allen..Very nice touch to have them as guests.
Tim Lones
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 02:56 PM\']Also, paying the guests significant amounts of money for the failure of the panel never made any sense. You should root for the game -- any game -- to be played WELL, not for the game to be played badly. The old games got around that by playing for modest stakes (and usually paying the maximum anyway), and the seventies versions dropped a prize structure altogether.
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On "What's My Line?" though, don't you root for the contestant to stump the panel? Same way on "TTTT." That the game will be played well ought to be a given, at least if the game is to work. (Except on "It Pays to Be Ignorant.")
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Thanks for pointing out the CBS ownership issue. I was about to say how funny it was that the best Fremantle-related revivals are the ones where they merely give the rights to someone else (guess which Spanish language version of Family Feud I could be referring to here, to go along with this IGAS? ;-)), as opposed to, as Dr. Bear said, them producing something like CaSINO. So thanks for clarifying.
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 07:38 AM\'][quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 12:41 AM\']When Geraldine whatshername founded Oxygen, she was looking for various kinds of programming, and apparently found that she could get the rights to IGAS, don't ask me how. What surprises me is that there's no credit at all for Goodson, much less Todman, as the show's creators (or anybody else, for that matter). You'd think at least Allen Sherman's family would have filed a lawsuit.
That said, O2IGAS isn't all bad if only as an interesting look at how a panel show might be updated for more modern viewing. I remember when it first came on somebody asked how you could have a panel show without a panel at a desk.) The panel itself is pretty forgettable and there aren't enough of the crazy stunts that were a highlight of the Moore version, but I like Stephanie Miller (liked her old talk show, too). I think they did a better job with this than Fremangle did with, say, Card Guppies.
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A little googling finds this thread about ownership
http://tinyurl.com/4m237 (http://\"http://tinyurl.com/4m237\")
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 02:05 PM\'][quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 12:41 AM\'].. Geraldine whatshername ...
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This whats-her-name is Geraldine Laybourne, who also co-founded Nickelodeon in 1979.
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I don't know if she co-founded the channel, but she was the force behind the remake of Nick in 1984 from an "eat your vegetables" kids channel to "What You Want--Not What Your Parents Want," which has been their guiding force since then (although they've toned down the parent-bashing in promos since their earlier days), anointing that silly Canadian comedy show "You Can't Do That on Television" as their signature series.
BTW, although some of us assume that Carsey-Werner produced the Oxygen "IGAS," there's no production company credit and the copyright notice is simply "Oxygen Media LLC." Whatever.
BTW, Laybourne's programming chief at Oxygen is Debby Beece, who while in the same position at Nick in 1986 greenlit "Double Dare." Unfortunately, no game format, be it traditional or reality, has shown up on Oh! since "IGAS" ended production.
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My dad used to watch it when he was flipping channels, and most of the time there would be a marathon. This show was OK, but since I am a lover of the classics It's not one of my favorites. The set did have a home-type feel for it, though.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 06:24 PM\']On "What's My Line?" though, don't you root for the contestant to stump the panel? Same way on "TTTT." That the game will be played well ought to be a given, at least if the game is to work. (Except on "It Pays to Be Ignorant."[/quote]
I agree with you for TTTT, which involves some amount of effort on the challengers' part. But as for WML or IGAS, no, I'm not rooting for the contestant (I actually prefer "subject") to stump anybody. That's not the game. Give them a nice prize and a story to tell their grandchildren (and a plug for their service or product, whcih is worth more than any of the other). But don't play the game for an actual stake. I assure you the audience at home is not watching a panel show to see a contestant make money.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 06:14 PM\']Unfortunately, no game format, be it traditional or reality, has shown up on Oh! since "IGAS" ended production.[/quote]Last year, Oxygen had an original game called "Can You Tell?" with Tony Rock (Chris' brother) as host. It lasted a few months.
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[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 07:55 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 06:14 PM\']Unfortunately, no game format, be it traditional or reality, has shown up on Oh! since "IGAS" ended production.[/quote]Last year, Oxygen had an original game called "Can You Tell?" with Tony Rock (Chris' brother) as host. It lasted a few months.
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And for me, pre-Oh! on Comcast Chicago, which is why I don't remember it...
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Oprah probably has a dish, but it's interesting that the cable company in her city of residence was a latecomer to her channel.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 18 2004, 03:40 PM\']Oprah probably has a dish, but it's interesting that the cable company in her city of residence was a latecomer to her channel.
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She could've subscribed to RCN--they've had Oh! almost from Day One.
And then again, maybe she didn't... :)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 07:41 PM\']I assure you the audience at home is not watching a panel show to see a contestant make money.
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The contestants got the $50 on What's My Line? no matter what, didn't they? Flipping the cards was simply a score-keeping measure, I believe...this according to what has been referred to as The Holy Fates Scriptures.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 07:41 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 06:24 PM\']On "What's My Line?" though, don't you root for the contestant to stump the panel? Same way on "TTTT." That the game will be played well ought to be a given, at least if the game is to work. (Except on "It Pays to Be Ignorant."[/quote]
I agree with you for TTTT, which involves some amount of effort on the challengers' part. But as for WML or IGAS, no, I'm not rooting for the contestant (I actually prefer "subject") to stump anybody. That's not the game. Give them a nice prize and a story to tell their grandchildren (and a plug for their service or product, whcih is worth more than any of the other). But don't play the game for an actual stake. I assure you the audience at home is not watching a panel show to see a contestant make money.
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You're right, "root" is probably too strong a word. But it's fun when the subjects stump the panel, and it's not much fun if nobody ever stumps them. And I suppose that's why TTTT may hold up a little better today than the others, because the imposters really are playing a game.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Nov 18 2004, 04:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 07:41 PM\']I assure you the audience at home is not watching a panel show to see a contestant make money.
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The contestants got the $50 on What's My Line? no matter what, didn't they? Flipping the cards was simply a score-keeping measure, I believe...this according to what has been referred to as The Holy Fates Scriptures.
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I think this only took effect starting with Bruner's last season.
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[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Nov 18 2004, 11:30 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Nov 18 2004, 04:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 17 2004, 07:41 PM\']I assure you the audience at home is not watching a panel show to see a contestant make money.
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The contestants got the $50 on What's My Line? no matter what, didn't they? Flipping the cards was simply a score-keeping measure, I believe...this according to what has been referred to as The Holy Fates Scriptures.
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Early In The WML? Run John Daly pretty much went by the score the contestant got wheter it was $5 or $15 or whatever As the years went by If he felt like giving the whole $50.00, He would just do it.. Eventually Money wasnt mentioned.especially In The Syndicated version..
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Early In The WML? Run John Daly pretty much went by the score the contestant got wheter it was $5 or $15 or whatever As the years went by If he felt like giving the whole $50.00, He would just do it.. Eventually Money wasnt mentioned.especially In The Syndicated version..
I think on most of the syndicated episodes, the announcer would say "in addition to cash awards, most of our contestants will receive...." The odd thing is that in the last few seasons, we never knew what the cash awards were. By the time Larry Blyden took over, the cards no longer read 5, 10 ,15, etc., but 10, 9, 8, down to 0. If it hit 0, the panel lost.
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Did the primetime Cullen-hosted run include cash awards? Does anyone know if the Harry Anderson WML? pilots did? How much?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Nov 19 2004, 09:49 AM\']I think on most of the syndicated episodes, the announcer would say "in addition to cash awards, most of our contestants will receive...." The odd thing is that in the last few seasons, we never knew what the cash awards were. By the time Larry Blyden took over, the cards no longer read 5, 10 ,15, etc., but 10, 9, 8, down to 0. If it hit 0, the panel lost.[/quote]
"In addition to the cash awards..." was a phrase from the 70s TTTT fee plugs. The syndicated version of WML? was NEVER played for cash (which is, as I keep saying, as it should be). They originally used the 5 to 50 flip cards just because that was what so many people remembered, but they were no longer playing for dollars, just points. Eventually, as others have mentioned, Larry Blyden had his sliding-bar 10 to 0 countdown.
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"In addition to the cash awards..." was a phrase from the 70s TTTT fee plugs.
It was also used on Tattletales (both versions), as well.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")