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It's been eleven years since the last non-TPiR daytime GS' were cancelled...with that in mind: Could there even BE a return of game shows to network daytime?
Unless one of the Big Three were to cancel a Soap (And every last one is either High Rated in Households, High Rated in 18-34, or has such a loyal fanbase that cancellation would be a PR nightmare), it'd REQUIRE that networks attempt to get timeslots back from affiliates. I honestly don't know what that would entail, but it couldn't be that easy, could it?
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Oct 23 2004, 04:10 PM\']It's been eleven years since the last non-TPiR daytime GS' were cancelled...with that in mind: Could there even BE a return of game shows to network daytime?
Unless one of the Big Three were to cancel a Soap (And every last one is either High Rated in Households, High Rated in 18-34, or has such a loyal fanbase that cancellation would be a PR nightmare), it'd REQUIRE that networks attempt to get timeslots back from affiliates. I honestly don't know what that would entail, but it couldn't be that easy, could it?
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I don't see that actually happening any time soon, at least not a game show in the "traditional" sense.
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Not with the popularity of CBS daytime the way it is. It's been a powerhouse for 15 years. Why change the line-up for unproven game shows?
Wasn't it reported that B&B was going to expand to an hour when/if TPIR ends?
Speaking of TPIR (and I don't want to really dig too deep into this), when Barker leaves, what would be the downside of airing reruns from various years in that timeslot and not putting a soap in there?
Is there any incentive to keep fresh new shows on the air as opposed to reruns (besides the obvious of employees keeping their jobs)?
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Speaking of TPIR (and I don't want to really dig too deep into this), when Barker leaves, what would be the downside of airing reruns from various years in that timeslot and not putting a soap in there?
I don't think that would work. Eventually, people would get tired of seeing reruns, and no new cars from that year, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing them do that each summer though - instead of airing reruns from that season, air them from various seasons - even labelling some as "classic" episodes.
Since the networks usually copy each other when one has a successful show, and considering "Price is Right" has been a ratings winner for so long, I'm surprised we haven't seen another shot at a daytime game show from at least one of the networks. I guess they figure there's only one "Price..."
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If you consider what was demographic makeup of the available audience in the 60's and 70's vs. what it is now, that doesn't bode well for any revival of daytime games. Housewives don't exist anymore.
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I think that reruns of TPiR on CBS when Bob leaves would only appeal to the hardcores like us. For the general audience, it would be too hard to play along since inflation has greatly changed most prices throughout the years.
I think the only way games could return to daytime network schedules is for the networks to take time back from affiliates which I don't see happening for a while. Unless game shows became majorily profitable, it probably wouldn't be worth the network's time to produce one anyway.
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Wasn't it reported that B&B was going to expand to an hour when/if TPIR ends?
It was mentioned around 1995 or 1996 in ATGS. Bill Bell had said he'd wanted do get another half hour soap on CBS in addition to expanding B&B IIRC. He hasn't gotten a time slot to do it in in some time, as the last change to the daytime CBS lineup was when FF Challenge got axed in 1993, and that hour went back to the local stations.
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What about one of the "non-big four" networks (UPN, WB, PAX) bringing daytime gameshows back? Don't most of the affiliates currently show mostly synidcated reruns for most of the day, anyway? With the 30+ year success of TPiR, what is to stop one of those networks from going after the ratings that Price brings in? It makes sense to me, put something on besides Judge Smartmouth or Afternoon Yak.
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I agree. Maybe a better question than would networks ever bring game shows back is why no one has at least tried to create a fun, colorful 'TPIR' -like show and stock the audience/contestant pool witth familar college students, military personel etc.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Oct 23 2004, 06:30 PM\']I agree. Maybe a better question than would networks ever bring game shows back is why no one has at least tried to create a fun, colorful 'TPIR' -like show and stock the audience/contestant pool witth familar college students, military personel etc.
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The answer is simple: what's wrong with the one we have?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Oct 23 2004, 04:24 PM\']If you consider what was demographic makeup of the available audience in the 60's and 70's vs. what it is now, that doesn't bode well for any revival of daytime games. Housewives don't exist anymore.
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Ummm...yes, they do; it's just that with the glut of programming available, at least the one housewife I know very well is watching something other than either TPIR or the most of the other syndie junk. She will watch Jeopardy with me if I'm home in time for it, though.
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[quote name=\'pyl85\' date=\'Oct 23 2004, 07:11 PM\']What about one of the "non-big four" networks (UPN, WB, PAX) bringing daytime gameshows back? Don't most of the affiliates currently show mostly synidcated reruns for most of the day, anyway? With the 30+ year success of TPiR, what is to stop one of those networks from going after the ratings that Price brings in? It makes sense to me, put something on besides Judge Smartmouth or Afternoon Yak.
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I thought about that one. It seems PAX is the only one who enjoys doing game shows, but could they sacrifice their morning infomercials (even just for an hour), to air some new games, even if they are low-budget and/or in-house?
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More than many, I've hoped for a return to the network daytime line-ups of years past with game shows aplenty. Sadly, I've finally resigned myself to the reality that those days are over. Daytime or not, games seem just not to be relevant anymore, unless of course it's the exception of a specific show that has been part of a viewer's life for a decade or three, during the transitional period to where TV has since evolved. There will always be comfort in the familiarity of seeing the ole Barker on TV.
In my opinion, game shows started to become obsolete when reality-based programming started to populate daytime more than a decade ago. Talk-based shows where people discuss their relationship issues (Jenny Jones to Maury, et al), battles with cancer (Donahue to Oprah, et al), and conflicts with their neighbors (People's Court to Judge Judy, et al) have slowly eclipsed what was once traditional fair. There is still a market for celebrity talk, but when it comes to civilian participants, now that we have accustomed the audience to being exposed to the widest range of human emotions exhibited by folks just like them (non-actors) reliving their extraordinary situations, lottery winners to suicide survivors, it's no longer compelling to see a contestant's simple surprise when being confronted with a new car, dissapointment when trading for a goat, or the frustration and satisfaction of getting a partner to name seven things in their bathroom within 30 seconds.
Where's the excitement of trying to catch eggs in teacups when lipstick cameras can catch the thrills of today's contestants crashing race cars or parachuting in their underwear?
Just my opinion. And in support of that opinion, here's a Pyramid category with few or no answers: Game show hits in the past decade.
And the prospect of relinquishing another hour of network time to the affiliates is not so abhorant these days, since the most of the major syndicators are owned by the same people who own the networks!
Randy
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Oct 25 2004, 12:34 AM\']More than many, I've hoped for a return to the network daytime line-ups of years past with game shows aplenty. Sadly, I've finally resigned myself to the reality that those days are over. Daytime or not, games seem just not to be relevant anymore, unless of course it's the exception of a specific show that has been part of a viewer's life for a decade or three, during the transitional period to where TV has since evolved. There will always be comfort in the familiarity of seeing the ole Barker on TV.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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And even if daytime game shows do make a comeback, nowadays, not many like the formats. Some new game shows come out with formats that many like, but not many these days. And when we do get revivals, those of us who grew up with them may not be familiar with their new formats, and that could spell doom for the revival after one season. While many liked the overhauls for TPIR and Match Game in the early 1970s, that didn't mean that people would like the 1990 TJW overhaul. Sure, one or two people may like the new format, but that doesn't mean that everyone will (See TNPIR '94 with Doug Davidson...I liked the show, but that didn't mean that everyone else had to like it). So basically, it would be useless for the networks to request network versions of shows from Fremantle, Sony, or any other distributor, given that risk.
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So basically, it would be useless for the networks to request network versions of shows from Fremantle, Sony, or any other distributor, given that risk.
But what about ideas for new gameshows? Or has the format sunk to the level of Top 40 radio where no one can write a new song, we just recycle the hooks from old ones?
What happened to creative minds like B&E and G/T? Or is it that nobody is buying pitches for new games? Seems like when Goodson died in '92, he took daytime games with him.
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No. It would literally take the networks taking back a lot of the daytime which has been ceded to local stations to syndicate or do their own stuff. Given that game shows are quite on the ebb as a genre, I don't see that happening.
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Oct 28 2004, 08:02 PM\']No. It would literally take the networks taking back a lot of the daytime which has been ceded to local stations to syndicate or do their own stuff. Given that game shows are quite on the ebb as a genre, I don't see that happening.
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The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.
The fact that The Price Is Right has been on the air for close to a third of a century is darned near miraculous. And how many of us back in the day REALLY thought Bob Barker would still be hosting the show at the age of 80?
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Another point is that all of the networks but PAX are tied to syndication companies which supply a lot of the more popular programming the stations use to fill the non-network hours. It may be in everyone's interest to maintain status quo.
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I am with Randy with this one... sad to say this, becuase I used to enjoy watching the daytime game shows, especially the NBC ones in the 80s.
I don't see daytime game shows making a comeback soon... at least not for the next five years. The exception of course is The Price Is Right, which for those of you who haven't done research is the sixth longest-running daytime television program airing today (behind General Hospital, Days Of Our Lives, Guiding Light, As The World Turns and Today). Once Bob Barker hangs it up for good, I have a feeling that CBS will keep it going and bring in Todd Newton or someone else to host, if not air classic Barker TPIRs from years past.
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What about "Meet the Press" and "Face the Nation."?
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The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.
There's another way this could happen and it worked in prime access for years: sell game shows to network station groups rather than the network itself, and offer those shows in syndication to non-O&Os. The networks own more stations these days so if you put, say, Match Game on in daytime on the CBS-owned stations, it could work economically. As we speak, Mr. PAX is proving that game shows can still be an economical form of original programming. That leaves just one small obstacle: demos. Game shows just don't deliver the young demos advertisers seek and that puts the kybosh on the whole idea.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 4 2004, 10:39 PM\']What about "Meet the Press" and "Face the Nation."?
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Five-a-week daytime ≠ Sunday public affairs
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There's another way this could happen and it worked in prime access for years: sell game shows to network station groups rather than the network itself, and offer those shows in syndication to non-O&Os. The networks own more stations these days so if you put, say, Match Game on in daytime on the CBS-owned stations, it could work economically.
Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's? I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m. Is it on all the O&O's?
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Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's? I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m. Is it on all the O&O's?
In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.
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The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.
There's another way this could happen and it worked in prime access for years: sell game shows to network station groups rather than the network itself, and offer those shows in syndication to non-O&Os. The networks own more stations these days so if you put, say, Match Game on in daytime on the CBS-owned stations, it could work economically. As we speak, Mr. PAX is proving that game shows can still be an economical form of original programming. That leaves just one small obstacle: demos. Game shows just don't deliver the young demos advertisers seek and that puts the kybosh on the whole idea.
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Funny you should mention that again....(but then again we all have)...I read an article in the Dallas Morning News (aka the DaMN paper) about how Madison Avenue is starting to rethink about the over 50 crowd. That's been showing up in these Lincoln and Cadillac ads, plus various other advertisers. Apparently, they've discovered that over 50s can be just as swayed as the teenyboppers that GSN has been targeting. So there's hope on that front.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 08:13 AM\']Apparently, they've discovered that over 50s can be just as swayed as the teenyboppers that GSN has been targeting. So there's hope on that front.
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You people don't watch a lot of golf on the weekends on TV, do you? There's a reason you don't see Tiger Woods getting out of a Ford Escort.
(That reason is that he makes more money than GOD, but I digress....) :)
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Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's? I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m. Is it on all the O&O's?
In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.
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"WGN, Channel 9--Chicago's WB."
The only true indie in Chicago is WCIU--well, WJYS, if you consider paid religion and infomercials "independent." (And if it wasn't for cable and must-carry rules, a lot of the Chicago area can't even get the station.)
(And I want to hear Rick Elliott reading that ID over the intro to Roger Whittaker's "Last Farewell" in his best Carl Grayson or Cliff Mercer imitation. :))
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 01:17 PM\'][quote name=\'tomobrien\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 09:57 AM\']
In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.
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"WGN, Channel 9--Chicago's WB."
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You're right, it's a WB station; I was using "independent" to mean "a non-O&O." Bad phrasing on my part.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 02:17 PM\'][quote name=\'tomobrien\' date=\'Nov 5 2004, 09:57 AM\']
Isn't that what's been done with "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" on the ABC O&O's? I know that in Philly and New York anyway, it's aired at 12:30 p.m. Is it on all the O&O's?
In Chicago, it's on independent WGN, not the ABC O&O WLS.
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"WGN, Channel 9--Chicago's WB."
The only true indie in Chicago is WCIU--well, WJYS, if you consider paid religion and infomercials "independent." (And if it wasn't for cable and must-carry rules, a lot of the Chicago area can't even get the station.)
(And I want to hear Rick Elliott reading that ID over the intro to Roger Whittaker's "Last Farewell" in his best Carl Grayson or Cliff Mercer imitation. :))
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Those were the days......I remember hearing the ID before hearing the song and put the two together.
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Through their associated syndication arms the networks are programming the local time slots already. CBS gives you Oprah, Montel and Dr. Phil, NBC Jerry and Maury, ABC Regis. In prime access ABC gives you WWTBAM and arms of CBS give you WOF, J!, ET and Insider. The gravy train is running at full throttle.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Oct 28 2004, 09:23 PM\'][quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Oct 28 2004, 08:02 PM\']No. It would literally take the networks taking back a lot of the daytime which has been ceded to local stations to syndicate or do their own stuff. Given that game shows are quite on the ebb as a genre, I don't see that happening.
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The only way I could see affiliated stations even considering surrendering the 10-11am ET block to the network is if affiliate compensation was brought back.
The fact that The Price Is Right has been on the air for close to a third of a century is darned near miraculous. And how many of us back in the day REALLY thought Bob Barker would still be hosting the show at the age of 80?
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I think it's a matter that there really isn't anything left for the game show genre except what's on the air now. Especially with the court shows being a mix of reality TV, what passes for game shows, and Jerry Springer, it's becoming harder to see a return of the game show to daytime is so far out of the question, it's hardly consider-able.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 4 2004, 10:39 PM\']What about "Meet the Press" and "Face the Nation."?
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While those two programs are considered daytime, both of these programs air on Sundays only. The ones I were talking about are of the Monday-Friday variety.