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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: adamjk on September 19, 2004, 07:47:02 PM
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I was just thinking, what would have become of Classic Concentration, had NBC decided to not cancel it in 1991? Would it still be on today? I somehow doubt it, but what do you guys think? If you think it wouldn't be on today, then how much longer would it have lasted?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 06:47 PM\'] I was just thinking, what would have become of Classic Concentration, had NBC decided to not cancel it in 1991? Would it still be on today? I somehow doubt it, but what do you guys think? If you think it wouldn't be on today, then how much longer would it have lasted? [/quote]
I doubt it'd have gone past January 1994, as that's when NBC axed the last hour devoted to game shows(reruns of Concentration and Caesar's Challenge), and turned it back to the local stations.
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I thought that happened in 93, for CC anyway.
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Wait a minute, in your opening post you asked how long you thought it would have run if its first run episodes werent cancelled in 91, then Zach gave you his opinion, and you're questioning it.
He gave you his opinion, which is most likely what CC's fate would have been.
Would you prefer if I said I thought it would have run till 2000.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 06:59 PM\'] I thought that happened in 93, for CC anyway. [/quote]
Adam is right this time, Classic Concentration reruns did end on 12/31/93. The first two weeks of 1994 saw a double pump of Caesar's CHallenge in that time slot.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 06:59 PM\'] I thought that happened in 93, for CC anyway. [/quote]
To be technical, NBC's last airing of CLASSIC CONCENTRATION was 12/31/93. NBC ran CAESAR'S CHALLENGE for two weeks in CONCENTRATION's time slot (plus its own time slot)--making way for Jane Whitney's syndicated talk show to move to the net.
EDIT: Zach beat me by two minutes (my fingers don't fly like his apparently). It never woulda happened if I had known he was reading the message at the same time, as I wouldn't have bothered posting (dang bandwidth issues ;-) ). Not that it's a bad thing.
Doug
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When you're dealing with two people, each of whom likes hearing the sound of his own voice more than anything else, you're going to run into problems like this. Per EOTVGS3, Adam is right that the Concentration reruns ended in 1993. Zach wasn't focusing on that -- he was simply giving his opinion in answering Adam's question, an opinion which no doubt would have been the same had Concentration run for those extra two weeks in 1994.
Would Zach have been technically more correct if he'd said that Caesar's Challenge was the last game show aired, instead of saying that that show and Concentration were the last two aired? Sure. Would Adam have been better off focusing on the actual answer to his question instead of looking for a reason to say something -- anything at all? Definitely.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 07:34 PM\'] When you're dealing with two people, each of whom likes hearing the sound of his own voice more than anything else, you're going to run into problems like this. Per EOTVGS3, Adam is right that the Concentration reruns ended in 1993. Zach wasn't focusing on that -- he was simply giving his opinion in answering Adam's question, an opinion which no doubt would have been the same had Concentration run for those extra two weeks in 1994.
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I wasn't questioning what he said as to how long the show would have went though, but rather just correcting his error. That's all it was.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 06:47 PM\'] I was just thinking, what would have become of Classic Concentration, had NBC decided to not cancel it in 1991? Would it still be on today? I somehow doubt it, but what do you guys think? If you think it wouldn't be on today, then how much longer would it have lasted? [/quote]
It would still be on today had it not been cancelled. I don't think NBC would have commissioned any new production, though. They would still just run the 87-91 eps.
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Isn't it true that Alex Trebek, on his own, approched NBC and asked if they could bring the show back on First-run eps for the 1992-93 season and was kindly told to go jump in a lake ?
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 08:39 PM\'] Isn't it true that Alex Trebek, on his own, approched NBC and asked if they could bring the show back on First-run eps for the 1992-93 season and was kindly told to go jump in a lake ?
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Alex did indeed try to convince NBC and/or Goodson to do new episodes. But NBC's argument was that new episodes would do no better in the ratings than the reruns they were airing at the time.
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Adam is right this time, Classic Concentration reruns did end on 12/31/93. The first two weeks of 1994 saw a double pump of Caesar's CHallenge in that time slot.
Which didn't make a whole lot of sense because many stations aired News in the first of those slots (12 noon in the East) meaning they only saw every other episode for those two weeks.
It was during that group of shows that a car was won two days in a row. I remember Ahmad saying "we gave away a car yesterday", and thinking that they must have skipped a show. I didn't see those missed shows until USA ran them later in the year.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Sep 20 2004, 08:05 AM\'] Which didn't make a whole lot of sense because many stations aired News in the first of those slots (12 noon in the East) meaning they only saw every other episode for those two weeks. [/quote]
Was 12N ET the designated feed time for the two CCs? It seems to me like NBC ran the daytime line-up in 1993-94 almost as though it were syndicated (I believe the two shows aired at 9AM and 9:30 local time in both Chicago and NYC--same deal with L.A., although IIRC the two shows were reversed). It wasn't like the late 80s where there was pretty much a set time for each show to air (although affiliates had the option, of course, of not carrying a program or shifting it to another time slot).
Doug
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 07:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 07:34 PM\'] When you're dealing with two people, each of whom likes hearing the sound of his own voice more than anything else, you're going to run into problems like this. Per EOTVGS3, Adam is right that the Concentration reruns ended in 1993. Zach wasn't focusing on that -- he was simply giving his opinion in answering Adam's question, an opinion which no doubt would have been the same had Concentration run for those extra two weeks in 1994.
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I wasn't questioning what he said as to how long the show would have went though, but rather just correcting his error. That's all it was. [/quote]
Dude...please just admit it if you're wrong!
Zach, for once, gave a reasonable answer to a question...and you're once again quibbling with minutae (sp).
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Sep 20 2004, 11:28 AM\'] [quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Sep 20 2004, 08:05 AM\'] Which didn't make a whole lot of sense because many stations aired News in the first of those slots (12 noon in the East) meaning they only saw every other episode for those two weeks. [/quote]
Was 12N ET the designated feed time for the two CCs? It seems to me like NBC ran the daytime line-up in 1993-94 almost as though it were syndicated (I believe the two shows aired at 9AM and 9:30 local time in both Chicago and NYC--same deal with L.A., although IIRC the two shows were reversed). It wasn't like the late 80s where there was pretty much a set time for each show to air (although affiliates had the option, of course, of not carrying a program or shifting it to another time slot).
Doug [/quote]
The affils could put it anywhere. Based on where the shows aired in Michigan, two stations had the duo at 11-noon and two stations had only "Concentration" at 12:30pm. NBC's daytime sked went kaflooey in 1991. The Concentration reruns replaced "Cover to Cover" which was on at 11:30 eastern, as mentioned, NBC abandoned designated feed times about that time. Wesley Hyatt's book has Caesar at 12:30pm and Conc. at Noon, with the Rashad skein (Variety-speak utilized for, well, variety) moving to Noon in 94. But, Hyatt also has Scrabble/Scattergories as 12-1 occupants, when many stations ran it from 3-4. I'm guessing there were multiple feeds.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Sep 20 2004, 03:14 PM\'] Hyatt also has Scrabble/Scattergories as 12-1 occupants, when many stations ran it from 3-4. I'm guessing there were multiple feeds. [/quote]
Multiple is right. In Chicago, SCRABBLE93/SCATTERGORIES ran from 10AM-11AM CT (before the feed times you mentioned). At least they weren't on a one-day delay (like CBS-owned WBBM did for many years with its daytime lineup).
Doug -- What do you know? I'm midway between 600 and 700!
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Indeed...
Scranton/WB's WBRE ran the two shows from 10am-11am, and Lancaster's WGAL ran it from 3pm-4pm...
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Sep 20 2004, 12:02 PM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 07:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 19 2004, 07:34 PM\'] When you're dealing with two people, each of whom likes hearing the sound of his own voice more than anything else, you're going to run into problems like this. Per EOTVGS3, Adam is right that the Concentration reruns ended in 1993. Zach wasn't focusing on that -- he was simply giving his opinion in answering Adam's question, an opinion which no doubt would have been the same had Concentration run for those extra two weeks in 1994.
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I wasn't questioning what he said as to how long the show would have went though, but rather just correcting his error. That's all it was. [/quote]
Dude...please just admit it if you're wrong!
Zach, for once, gave a reasonable answer to a question...and you're once again quibbling with minutae (sp). [/quote]
Oh boy, here we go with the whole being wrong thing again. What's wrong with trying to correct information on something? Nothing, that's what.
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Two things. First thing: WKYC-TV 3 in Cleveland ran Scrabble and Scattergories from 11am-noon.
Second thing: A poll. When will Adam finally get banned? My guess (based entirely on wishful thinking) is September 2004.
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But, Hyatt also has Scrabble/Scattergories as 12-1 occupants, when many stations ran it from 3-4. I'm guessing there were multiple feeds.
3-4 was the "official" time slots for these 2 shows, as they were replacements for the low-rated soap Santa Barbara.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 20 2004, 03:56 PM\'] Second thing: A poll. When will Adam finally get banned? My guess (based entirely on wishful thinking) is September 2004. [/quote]
Never happen. It's been established long ago that being stupid isn't a crime around here, no matter how much it might disrupt normally intelligent discussion.
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NBC's daytime sked went kaflooey in 1991.
Here, "Caesar's Challenge" aired at 12:30 all through its run, so when it switched to two eps a day, we only got the second one.
"Scrabble" and "Scattegories" were seen from 11-noon.
Talking about NBC's schedule going klafooey...the last episode of the original "Scrabble" that's circulating came from KNBC Los Angeles. I believe at that time (March 1990) they were airing that at something like 4 a.m. How could a network O&O in a huge city air a program at that time?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Sep 21 2004, 08:14 AM\'] Talking about NBC's schedule going klafooey...the last episode of the original "Scrabble" that's circulating came from KNBC Los Angeles. I believe at that time (March 1990) they were airing that at something like 4 a.m. How could a network O&O in a huge city air a program at that time? [/quote]
I think that in late 1989 or early 1990, the O&Os started carrying Steve Doocy's House Party, a program that was intended to revolutionize daytime programming. In New York, I believe Scrabble was shifted to 9am. But 4am in LA? How odd.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 21 2004, 09:27 AM\'] I think that in late 1989 or early 1990, the O&Os started carrying Steve Doocy's House Party, a program that was intended to revolutionize daytime programming. In New York, I believe Scrabble was shifted to 9am. But 4am in LA? How odd.
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Actually, some non-NBC O&O's carried it, too...WJZ-13 in Baltimore (now CBS, then ABC) carried the show. As did KYW-3 in Philly, which *was* NBC then (now CBS). I think a lot of Group-W stations may have carried it as well...
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Sep 21 2004, 08:14 AM\'] Talking about NBC's schedule going klafooey...the last episode of the original "Scrabble" that's circulating came from KNBC Los Angeles. I believe at that time (March 1990) they were airing that at something like 4 a.m. How could a network O&O in a huge city air a program at that time? [/quote]
If memory serves, KNBC had also aired the CLASSIC CONCENTRATION reruns at something like 2:35AM for awhile, before bringing them back to a more reasonable hour toward the end. I think WRC in Washington also gave the CC reruns a pre-TODAY slot as well.
At least WMAQ in Chicago kept them in the daytime (but gave DOCTOR DEAN a 5AM slot in order to carry this little-heralded show hosted by someone named Jerry).
Doug
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And it seemed to me that by then NBC was feeding all of its daytime shows overnight for the affiliates to put in wherever they wanted--which they may very well be doing today with "Days" and "Passions."
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I think that in late 1989 or early 1990, the O&Os started carrying Steve Doocy's House Party, a program that was intended to revolutionize daytime programming. In New York, I believe Scrabble was shifted to 9am.
No, it actually moved to 3:30 PM, right after Classic Concentration at 3...I remember thinking how cool it was as a kid to be able to come home from school and watch them for that brief time period in 90.
As for HP, it basically wound up being little more than "before they were stars" fodder following Doocy's hitting the big time on Fox & Friends in the late 90s.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Sep 26 2004, 08:39 PM\']
No, it actually moved to 3:30 PM, right after Classic Concentration at 3...I remember thinking how cool it was as a kid to be able to come home from school and watch them for that brief time period in 90.
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As per TV Guide Philly edition, Scrabble continued on WNBC until September 1990, almost six months after NBC dropped the show. I guess they would have been reruns :)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 25 2004, 10:00 PM\'] And it seemed to me that by then NBC was feeding all of its daytime shows overnight for the affiliates to put in wherever they wanted--which they may very well be doing today with "Days" and "Passions." [/quote]
I don't get to see NBC's actual feeds anymore, but I'm 99% sure they're still doing this.
Not that this has much to do with game shows, but I might as well get this firsthand knowledge out of my brain: as of late 1998, the overnight feed times were "Sunset Beach" at 3:00 A.M., "Another World" at 4:00, "DOOL" at 5:00, and "Leeza" at 6:00 (in reverse order of their airtimes on the "official" NBC daytime schedule). There were also feeds at certain times during the day for stations that wanted to take them "live"...if I recall correctly, for example, "Leeza" was also fed at 10:00, 11:00, 1:00, and 3:00 Eastern.
Incidentally, at the time, same-day "Sunset Beach" reruns were airing at 3:04 A.M....I wondered if any affiliates ever got confused about which feed they should be taking and ended up showing the wrong day's "Sunset Beach" at some point.