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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: adamjk on August 31, 2004, 07:10:52 PM
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When the syndie Wheel of Fortune had returning champions, during celebrity weeks, did returning champs still play that week or weeks, or did they have to wait till the celebrity shows were done to come back?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 04:10 PM\'] When the syndie Wheel of Fortune had returning champions, during celebrity weeks, did returning champs still play that week or weeks, or did they have to wait till the celebrity shows were done to come back? [/quote]
*sigh* Just when you think he's getting it.
Cite for me one occasion in the last, oh, we'll say, thirty years, where a civilian has been pitted against a celebrity on a game show, where the celeb is playing for charity and the civilian is playing for cash. I would like to know where the precedent is that you would even CONTEMPLATE that.
(Not you, Zach. Or anybody else. I'm asking Adam.)
How have they handled this on EVERY OTHER FREAKIN' SHOW ON TELEVISION?
Once you've poured over that one for a while, please acknowledge that you now understand WHY that's an idiotic question.
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syndie Wheel to my knowledge has always had celebs paired with civilians during celeb weeks. Examples: NFL and NBA Player's Week.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 06:33 PM\'] syndie Wheel to my knowledge has always had celebs paired with civilians during celeb weeks. Examples: NFL and NBA Player's Week. [/quote]
You really think that they'd saddle a champion with some idiotic shmuck from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers; when said player has zero interest in football?
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Good point.
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Talking about Wheel Of Fortune and returning champions, who on this distinguished panel thinks they should go back to having champs be able to return? And why? And should it be for 3 shows or be unlimited like on a certain other Sony-produced program?
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To answer two questions:
1.) Not all celebrity shows had celebs partnered up with civvies. I've seen episodes where celebs played all by themselves.
2.) I, for one, would like to see returning champs on this show. I would make it unlimited, rather than limited to three wins, so that you can see a contestant rack up a lot of money, maybe over $1,000,000, like Ken Jennings.
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I don't think they should reinstate returning champs, because each show offers the chance for a pretty big win anyway.
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I'd like to see returning champs, as well. I'd format it like this:
-Go back to picking prizes out of the word WHEEL; the $25,000, a nice trip or cruise, a spiffy car, and other expensive stuff.
-I'd have the champ stay on until s/he cleaned out the bonus round prizes.
-After his/her reign is complete, I would replace only the prizes s/he won (leaving the unwon prizes until they're won), except the cash.
Thoughts?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 08:38 PM\'] Talking about Wheel Of Fortune and returning champions, who on this distinguished panel thinks they should go back to having champs be able to return? And why? [/quote]
To answer your question, yes, they should go back to returning champs. Why? You know those 1.5 million colors of light will get boring after a short while.
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I'd like to see them go back to returning champs for two main reasons:
--it would force them to air the shows in order
--it would give someone who missed the bonus round the chance of getting back there
I think 3 days should be the limit
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 07:50 AM\'] I'd like to see them go back to returning champs for two main reasons:
--it would force them to air the shows in order
--it would give someone who missed the bonus round the chance of getting back there
I think 3 days should be the limit [/quote]
If they do returning champs, I think there should be more variety on the bonus wheel. Throw in a couple of trips or something. If you win the $100K, you retire automatically.
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I doubt if Wheel went to "play till you lose" that you wouldn't ever have someone winning a million bucks, mainly since it's such a capricious game that it would be hard to win that long, even if you're a badass at the puzzles.
This may get me flamed, so gimme a minute to zip up my asbestos jump suit:
If I had my druthers, the wheel configuration would go back to either the CBS daytime or NBC daytime setup (they're giving way the hell too much money away for what it is), with a shot at $5,000 for a bonus round puzzle solve.
I know, not a chance in Hell, but I can dream...
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As much as I don't mind Mo' Money in most cases, on Wheel Of Fortune, it's a case of it being force-fed into the players' esophaguses.
I'd nix those Toss-Ups. I'd can about 1.499996 million of those colors of light. I'd eliminate those team weeks. I'd make the JACKPOT space extra money that doesn't count towards score (like the 7-11 cash on The $25,000 Pyramid). In the bonus round, add trips to the wheel and scale the money down to the $2500-$10000 range. Add a car if it's the player's third victory and leave it there until he/she wins it or is defeated. Have one spoke be a top dollar wedge. That'd be worth $25000 plus $1000 per show until won. And now the big one: Tell the contestants there's no need to scream at Volume 10 when calling the letters during the game. Better theme music would be nice, too.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:08 PM\'] I doubt if Wheel went to "play till you lose" that you wouldn't ever have someone winning a million bucks, mainly since it's such a capricious game that it would be hard to win that long, even if you're a badass at the puzzles.
This may get me flamed, so gimme a minute to zip up my asbestos jump suit:
If I had my druthers, the wheel configuration would go back to either the CBS daytime or NBC daytime setup (they're giving way the hell too much money away for what it is), with a shot at $5,000 for a bonus round puzzle solve.
I know, not a chance in Hell, but I can dream... [/quote]
Yeah, lets return to the Bob Goen CBS configurations !
Pat: "Congrats, you've won $325 ! Don't you love this new format ? We'll stand by everyone, the Top Dollar will be raised to $1250. So stay tuned everybody. Loads of excitement here !"
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:23 PM\'] As much as I don't mind Mo' Money in most cases, on Wheel Of Fortune, it's a case of it being force-fed into the players' esophaguses.
I'd nix those Toss-Ups. I'd can about 1.499996 million of those colors of light. I'd eliminate those team weeks. I'd make the JACKPOT space extra money that doesn't count towards score (like the 7-11 cash on The $25,000 Pyramid). In the bonus round, add trips to the wheel and scale the money down to the $2500-$10000 range. Add a car if it's the player's third victory and leave it there until he/she wins it or is defeated. Have one spoke be a top dollar wedge. That'd be worth $25000 plus $1000 per show until won. And now the big one: Tell the contestants there's no need to scream at Volume 10 when calling the letters during the game. Better theme music would be nice, too. [/quote]
Bring back an actual backdrop. That would only require an extra 3 colors. :-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 02:14 AM\'] Bring back an actual backdrop. That would only require an extra 3 colors. :-) [/quote]
You mean like when they had those three thingimajigs behind the contestants? That would be nice.
As for the amount of money given away, I agree that it's too much. But if you started giving away a lot less what would happen? They're offering $100,000, don't you think it would look really bad if they got rid of that? Is this a case of "What's done is done" or wouldn't it hurtl if they cut their potential top prize by 75%?
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[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 12:48 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 02:14 AM\'] Bring back an actual backdrop. That would only require an extra 3 colors. :-) [/quote]
You mean like when they had those three thingimajigs behind the contestants? That would be nice.
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The "thingamajigs" would work just fine for me, but what I had in mind were the backdrops they had c. 1996 or 97. They were bullet-shaped, and looked like jagged pieces of ice. Each section was blue. I always wished they'd bring it back, with respective colors.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 01:45 AM\'] [quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 12:48 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 02:14 AM\'] Bring back an actual backdrop. That would only require an extra 3 colors. :-) [/quote]
You mean like when they had those three thingimajigs behind the contestants? That would be nice.
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The "thingamajigs" would work just fine for me, but what I had in mind were the backdrops they had c. 1996 or 97. They were bullet-shaped, and looked like jagged pieces of ice. Each section was blue. I always wished they'd bring it back, with respective colors. [/quote]
Do you mean the "Chevron" symbols? I thought those were used in 1991-1993, when they brought back the sunbursts.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 02:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 01:45 AM\'] [quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 12:48 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 02:14 AM\'] Bring back an actual backdrop. That would only require an extra 3 colors. :-) [/quote]
You mean like when they had those three thingimajigs behind the contestants? That would be nice.
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The "thingamajigs" would work just fine for me, but what I had in mind were the backdrops they had c. 1996 or 97. They were bullet-shaped, and looked like jagged pieces of ice. Each section was blue. I always wished they'd bring it back, with respective colors. [/quote]
Do you mean the "Chevron" symbols? I thought those were used in 1991-1993, when they brought back the sunbursts. [/quote]
Nope...this backdrop wasn't used on a regular basis, but I do remember them distinctly being used right around 1996 or 97. IIRC, they used that particular backdrop whenever they didn't do some sort of scenery related to the theme week. I guess what I should say is that the "filling" looked like jagged pieces of ice.
With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\")
The second from the top (left side, under "Front Game Rules"). I could've sworn the sections were rounded like bullets, but that's what I was talking about. Judging by the Wheel design, that's the 1997 season.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 03:34 AM\'] With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\") [/quote]
Not really on-topic...but I'd like to know where Tim got the idea that Wheel was ever the "highest-rated daytime game show."
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 11:27 AM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 03:34 AM\'] With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\") [/quote]
Not really on-topic...but I'd like to know where Tim got the idea that Wheel was ever the "highest-rated daytime game show." [/quote]
Moreso, I don't see how that show deserves a rating of "ten". It's slowly declined over the years...but that's a discussion for another thread.
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Well, I could easily be wrong....but I'm thinking that was written around four years ago. It may have been a 10 then, but some might think it's a 6 or 7 now.
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I still enjoy it. BTW, there was a poster over at GSN that thinks that Pat doesn't seem to enjoy doing the show anymore. Do you guys think that is true? I don't.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 09:44 AM\'] Moreso, I don't see how that show deserves a rating of "ten". It's slowly declined over the years...but that's a discussion for another thread. [/quote]
God bless Tim, he seems like a nice enough fellow, but his rating system definitely comes into question, especially when he gives LMAD an overall 10 as well...
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also, he gave DD 2k a 9
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 10:35 AM\'] also, he gave DD 2k a 9 [/quote]
I rate game shows in my collection as well. I only have a few online right now (the various "Double Dares" are among them), but I can tell you that I scored DD2K LOW; 63/100. I believe I only have two shows that scored lower than that-- "Baby Races" & J.D. Roth's "Double Up."
I also liked the "jagged pieces of ice" backdrop. ANYTHING would be better than that video wall; even if they did like "Double Dare" behind Marc Summers and had blue fading to red-- with or without the glass tiles. "Wheel" could fade from red to gold to blue. But I like the backdrop idea better. (I'll throw in a vote for the diamond shaped ones; those were my favorte)
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 11:27 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 03:34 AM\'] With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\") [/quote]
Not really on-topic...but I'd like to know where Tim got the idea that Wheel was ever the "highest-rated daytime game show."[/quote]
He was *partially* right--it was NBC's highest-rated *daytime* show at about the time that the syndicated version started. Of course, the fact that it came in second in its time slot to "TPIR" indicates how bad NBC was doing in daytime ratings back then.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 02:34 AM\']With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\")
The second from the top (left side, under "Front Game Rules"). I could've sworn the sections were rounded like bullets, but that's what I was talking about. Judging by the Wheel design, that's the 1997 season.[/quote]
Huh. And I thought I watched WoF pretty regularly back then. Never saw those.
I like how those backdrops sort of match the puzzle board, with the shiny gold trapezoidal strip . . . things.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 10:22 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 02:34 AM\']With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\")
The second from the top (left side, under "Front Game Rules"). I could've sworn the sections were rounded like bullets, but that's what I was talking about. Judging by the Wheel design, that's the 1997 season.[/quote]
Huh. And I thought I watched WoF pretty regularly back then. Never saw those.
I like how those backdrops sort of match the puzzle board, with the shiny gold trapezoidal strip . . . things. [/quote]
But Robert. Nothing beats 1.5 million colors of light! Stay tuned!
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Sep 4 2004, 01:01 AM\'] [quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 10:22 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 3 2004, 02:34 AM\']With thanks to Loogaroo (http://\"http://loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/wof.html\")
The second from the top (left side, under "Front Game Rules"). I could've sworn the sections were rounded like bullets, but that's what I was talking about. Judging by the Wheel design, that's the 1997 season.[/quote]
Huh. And I thought I watched WoF pretty regularly back then. Never saw those.
I like how those backdrops sort of match the puzzle board, with the shiny gold trapezoidal strip . . . things. [/quote]
But Robert. Nothing beats 1.5 million colors of light! Stay tuned! [/quote]
And on your black and white sets, it'll be 1.5 million shades of grey.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 4 2004, 11:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Sep 4 2004, 01:01 AM\']But Robert. Nothing beats 1.5 million colors of light! Stay tuned! [/quote]
And on your black and white sets, it'll be 1.5 million shades of grey. [/quote]
This is probably why Sony doesn't make black and white TVs these days. Heaven forbid viewers should miss all those colors. Hey, Doc Brown, how much energy does it take to get this effect?
Christopher Lloyd (in a scene from Back to the Future): 1.21 GIGAWATTS!!!
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No one seems to have mentioned this: I don't know whether it was during the returning champions era, but I definitely recall a week where they had a mix of regular contestants playing for themselves and soap opera stars playing for charity.
I won't call for a Sky's the Limit change, but I would like to see them go back to returning champions. (I like returning champions for their own sake, but forcing them to air shows in order would certainly be a bonus.) When the top cash prize was $25,000, and the limit was three days, my idea was that on the third day, you should play for whichever prize you want among those that remain. As is, I'd give a retiring champion a choice of spinning or picking one non-cash prize for his bonus.
I like the toss-up puzzle in principle, but only before the first and fourth puzzles.
There are two variations I've always thought would be good on the bonus puzzles themselves: 1) Have puzzles where there are exactly three different consonants and one vowel not showing so that, in theory, everyone has the same chance of calling the right letters. 2) Reveal fewer letters, but reveal each letter before the next one is chosen.
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I still think that Wheel of Fortune IS already being aired in order, given the advance listing of the theme weeks, and Pat's willingness to mention what day the show is airing on some occasions (besides holidays and the like).