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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: gshowguy on August 25, 2004, 12:05:10 AM
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Gameplay: Same as the 1978 version, with one difference. Each of the two players plays their own set of numbers, on two different colored monitors (pink for the champion, sky blue for the challenger). In addition, one of the numbers is a "Bonus Prize Number", which if knocked off, earns the player a really good prize, such as a home entertainment center, a shopping spree, a vacation, maybe even a new car. Once again, knocking all nine numbers off wins the game. Two out of three moves on to the Big Numbers.
The Big Numbers bonus round is the exact same bonus round used in 1978 and 1987. This time, if you knock all nine off, you win a jackpot starting at $15,000 and rises up by $1,000 when not won.
Set: Similar to the 1987 set, with lights made to look like numbers (this time in Arial font), but kinda similar to the Aussie WoF's current set (dark purple gradient background and lights on weirdly shaped arches)
Host: Since Alex Trebek is too busy doing Jeopardy!, I could try Wink Martindale again. If not, Ken Ober of "Remote Control" would be decent enough.
Hostess: Someone like Lee Menning, the second hostess of "$ale of the Century". There would also be models to show off the prizes.
Announcer: I could hear John Moschitta going "And now, a game of high stakes, where every decision is a gamble, and every roll can be your last, Hiiiiiiiiiiigh Rollerrrrrrrrs! And here's the man with all the action, Wink Martindale (or "Ken Ober!")
Music: A synth-techno remix of the 1978 theme
Where to put it: NBC daytime would work.
What do you think?
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And here's the man with all the action, Wink Martindale (or "Ken Ober!")
No, Ken wouldn't be interested... he's waiting to hear back about the revival of 'Smush'.
Josh
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 12:05 AM\'] What do you think? [/quote]
I think that could be a success, but that's probably the Nyquil talking.
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All good ideas, except for the opening. I prefer..."It's 2004.....High Rollers...and here's the man with the action...Jimmy Owen!"
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You're just kidding, aren't you? I thought Kenny-O would be a great fit this once-produced by Heatter-Quigley game show (now probably produced by The Hatchery, King World, and MGM Television.
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:05 PM\']
What do you think? [/quote]
I think you need to seek mental help.
OBGameshows: Curtis Warren appeared on $otC in 1986
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 01:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:05 PM\']
What do you think? [/quote]
I think you need to seek mental help. [/quote]
What if he picked Rolf Benirschke to host?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 12:27 AM\'] [quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 01:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:05 PM\']
What do you think? [/quote]
I think you need to seek mental help. [/quote]
What if he picked Rolf Benirschke to host? [/quote]
It would still stink. Even I give the "Rolf" running gag a break after a while. But if I am going overboard with it, please let me know. I really don't want to be a nuisance here.
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 03:28 AM\'] It would still stink. Even I give the "Rolf" running gag a break after a while. But if I am going overboard with it, please let me know. I really don't want to be a nuisance here. [/quote]
I didn't say you were being a nuisance; I was just so, er, awed by the proposal that the Rolf comment was all I could think of to say. :-) I have great admiration for Rolf, but his Wheel days aren't the reason.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 06:21 AM\'] [quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 03:28 AM\'] It would still stink. Even I give the "Rolf" running gag a break after a while. But if I am going overboard with it, please let me know. I really don't want to be a nuisance here. [/quote]
I didn't say you were being a nuisance; I was just so, er, awed by the proposal that the Rolf comment was all I could think of to say. :-) I have great admiration for Rolf, but his Wheel days aren't the reason. [/quote]
My mistake. I guess I got the wrong idea. We cool ? : )
Rolf's "Wheel" days may of been a bomb, but his charity work afterwards has certainly made up for it.
-Joe R.
OBProposal: I don't even think having Alex Trebek hosting after downing 12 whole bottles of Jack Daniels would save this "High Rollers" idea.
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 12:05 AM\'] What do you think? [/quote]
Well, judging by this post...
[quote name=\'gshowguy\']You're just kidding, aren't you? I thought Kenny-O would be a great fit this once-produced by Heatter-Quigley game show (now probably produced by The Hatchery, King World, and MGM Television.[/quote]
...I think you're a show-off. (And for the love of God, don't try to rework that.)
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:05 PM\'] Once again, knocking all nine numbers off wins the game. [/quote]
That's not how the front game worked.
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Oh, of course, I should've mentioned that a bad roll would give the game to your opponent.
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 08:38 AM\'] Oh, of course, I should've mentioned that a bad roll would give the game to your opponent. [/quote]
...making your version of the show just as broken as the original.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 10:58 AM\'] [quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 08:38 AM\'] Oh, of course, I should've mentioned that a bad roll would give the game to your opponent. [/quote]
...making your version of the show just as broken as the original. [/quote]
But you're not getting it. See, one player is playing PINK numbers, the other BABY BLUE numbers! And each could have his or her own dice table with felt dyed to match their numbers!
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Why not just play it like the 1978 version exactly? I seemed to like it that way... if it ain't broke don't fix it!
:-D
But I could just imagine Neumms' suggestion... "It's 2004.... it's the New Baby High Rollers!!!, and here's the man with the action.... Baby Kermit the Frog!!!!"...... Hi-ho!!!" <ducks fire>
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:46 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 10:58 AM\'] [quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 08:38 AM\'] Oh, of course, I should've mentioned that a bad roll would give the game to your opponent. [/quote]
...making your version of the show just as broken as the original. [/quote]
But you're not getting it. See, one player is playing PINK numbers, the other BABY BLUE numbers! And each could have his or her own dice table with felt dyed to match their numbers! [/quote]
In which case, it could be hosted by one of the Fab Five! :) :)
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:46 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 10:58 AM\'] [quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 08:38 AM\'] Oh, of course, I should've mentioned that a bad roll would give the game to your opponent. [/quote]
...making your version of the show just as broken as the original. [/quote]
But you're not getting it. See, one player is playing PINK numbers, the other BABY BLUE numbers! And each could have his or her own dice table with felt dyed to match their numbers! [/quote]
I meant, the numbers would be different colors. It's the MONITORS with the numbers (they are slide-projected) that are colored blue and pink. Also, they play the same dice table, so the monitors would spin around to face the table, depending on who's playing (again, if it's champ, it's the pink monitor, if it's challenger it's sky blue.). That's what I've been trying to say.
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Can we say, useless? I mean, does it take a lot of thought to know who the champ and who the challenger is than to just attach a color to them that has no bearing on the game whatsoever and its outcome? It's extraneous.
I mean, to use an example, look at ESPN2 and their airing of the Little League World Series... I mean, do they have to have that graphic up on the screen that says "LL World Series"!?!? It's sad that we as a culture have to contstantly have graphics that remind us of who someone is or what event something is so we won't forget it two seconds later and say "what the heck was I watching again?"...
...feel free to disagree if you wish.
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 04:13 PM\']
I meant, the numbers would be different colors. It's the MONITORS with the numbers (they are slide-projected) that are colbblahblahblahblahblah [/quote]
We know what you meant. We still think you're a friggin loon.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 05:06 PM\'] I mean, to use an example, look at ESPN2 and their airing of the Little League World Series... I mean, do they have to have that graphic up on the screen that says "LL World Series"!?!? It's sad that we as a culture have to contstantly have graphics that remind us of who someone is or what event something is so we won't forget it two seconds later and say "what the heck was I watching again?"... [/quote]
Kinda like how I don't understand why on some game shows now, they have a bug in the bottom of the screen telling us the name of the shows, like Wheel, J!, Street Smarts, H*2, etc. Like I can't figure out what that I'm watching Wheel or Hollywood Squares...gee, I guess the big-ass wheel or tic-tac-toe board didn't tip me off?
Same goes for some talk shows.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 03:32 PM\'] In which case, it could be hosted by one of the Fab Five! :) :) [/quote]
Now, that was hilarious. If you think you can come up with a better revival than me, give it a shot.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 05:31 PM\'] [quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 05:06 PM\'] I mean, to use an example, look at ESPN2 and their airing of the Little League World Series... I mean, do they have to have that graphic up on the screen that says "LL World Series"!?!? It's sad that we as a culture have to contstantly have graphics that remind us of who someone is or what event something is so we won't forget it two seconds later and say "what the heck was I watching again?"... [/quote]
Kinda like how I don't understand why on some game shows now, they have a bug in the bottom of the screen telling us the name of the shows, like Wheel, J!, Street Smarts, H*2, etc. Like I can't figure out what that I'm watching Wheel or Hollywood Squares...gee, I guess the big-ass wheel or tic-tac-toe board didn't tip me off?
Same goes for some talk shows. [/quote]
Didn't Pyramid do the same thing?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 05:35 PM\'] Didn't Pyramid do the same thing? [/quote]
Nope...they just liked to constantly remind us who the celebrities were on the episode. :-P
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 03:34 PM\'] Now, that was hilarious. If you think you can come up with a better revival than me, give it a shot. [/quote]
Okay.
(DISCLAIMER: I threw this together in about five minutes. It has not been playtested for visual entertainment value or mathematical / budgetary balance. So you're really not gonna end my day if you fry the hell out of it.)
The problem with HR is the simple fact that players are encouraged not to keep the dice in the latter stages of the game. So what needs to happen with any revival is a rule change that will encourage a player to take that chance to clear the board.
I'm not going to bore you with crappy set design details, I'm worried about the game here, not how it looks. Get Thom Filicia in here if you want to worry about the set.
First things first: No columns, none of that crap. The game is played against the Big Numbers board at all times, except there is a readout above it, which displays the value of the Jackpot. The Jackpot is an amount of money put into the pot at the start of each game, which is awarded to a player IF AND ONLY IF they knock the last number off of the board in a game.
Standard HR tossup applies. Player who wins control of dice decides whether to play or pass, but player who eventually rolls dice decides HOW MANY DICE THEY WILL ROLL. (This will hopefully encourage attempts to knock off those 2's, 3's, and 4's. It also fixes the "only the 1 is left" deadlock.)
Game pays $50 for each number knocked off of the board. Game is lost with TWO CONSECUTIVE bad rolls without an insurance marker. (The first one puts you On The Bubble or In Danger or some crap, with appropriate red tinted lighting, not unlike The Block on Studio 7.)
Winning the game by knocking off the last number wins the Jackpot, winning it by opponent crapping out pays the winner a lesser amount.
Immediately start new game: relight the board, increase (or restock) Jackpot, lather, rinse, repeat, until Time's Up Bell sounds. (Yeah, I don't like Time's Up Bells either, but we gotta shoehorn this into a half-hour.)
Winner plays the traditional Big Numbers for whatever. Winner also gets one free Insurance Marker for winning the game. Because of the increased win percentage, there is no need to increase the Big Numbers payout beyond $10,000.
Bring back returning champions or not. You choose. (I choose to, of course, but I'm not looking to sell this.)
My way of thinking, the extra rolls, in combination with deciding whether to roll one die of two, is going to make it MUCH easier to clear the board, but not SO easy that an extra cash incentive for doing so isn't warranted. I'm also thinking that it will make someone keep the dice where on the original show they would pass them.
So there you go. Flame away, but, again, remember this is FAR from fully developed, and may have holes the size of Mack trucks that haven't occurred to me.
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A few things:
First off, I think the jackpot should be increased each game it is not won. Like start it at $5,000, and have it increase $1,000 each time not won, what do you think?
Also, if an opponent craps out to cause a win, would the winner get extra money, or just what they earned in the game?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 04:23 PM\'] First off, I think the jackpot should be increased each game it is not won. Like start it at $5,000, and have it increase $1,000 each time not won, what do you think?
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I'm leaving open the option for the show to be standalone without returning champions. Can't have a progressive jackpot if you're gonna run the shows out of sequence. I think the Big Numbers will be hit often enough that it's pointless anyhow.
Also, if an opponent craps out to cause a win, would the winner get extra money, or just what they earned in the game?
I am unsurprised to find that you didn't read very carefully at all. If you had you would know the answer to this question.
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Well it just says a lesser amount, it doesn't specfically say that they get the main game earnings.
If that is the case though, then I have another idea. If an opponent craps out, then I think you should give the winner an extra $50 or $100 for each number still on the board.
Wait a minute scratch that, I have another idea. For the main game, have each number in game 1, worth $50, game 2 $100, game 3 $200 and so on. Same goes for remaining numbers when an opponent craps out.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 07:50 PM\'] Well it just says a lesser amount, it doesn't specfically say that they get the main game earnings. [/quote]
What specifically was said to make you think that the contestant DOESN'T get the main game earnings in addition to the "lesser amount"?
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This would be a radical change, but I'd like everyone's thoughts. In the main game, the object would be to get to a certain point total, say 25 points. Every correct answer would get a roll, so it would take at least three questions to win a game. An idea I would borrow from "The Big Showdown" would be the payoff point: a prize would be awarded to any player who matches the payoff point, set randomly before the game. The end game would be the traditional "Big Numbers." This would eliminate the hemming and hawing, passing, etc.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 04:50 PM\'] Well it just says a lesser amount, it doesn't specfically say that they get the main game earnings. [/quote]
What part of "Game pays $50 for each number knocked off of the board." did you fail to understand?
If that is the case though, then I have another idea. If an opponent craps out, then I think you should give the winner an extra $50 or $100 for each number still on the board.
Brilliant. Let's give the players MORE reason to pass the dice early. Exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I don't think so.
Wait a minute scratch that, I have another idea. For the main game, have each number in game 1, worth $50, game 2 $100, game 3 $200 and so on. Same goes for remaining numbers when an opponent craps out.
This is the EXACT REASON I posted a disclaimer. I don't care if it's $37 per game. The play is the thing. If you look at something like this and go "It's good, but it would be better if the bonus were $20,000", then you are plain and simple an idiot. The numbers work themselves out after you playtest the game and figure out what kind of prize budget you have to work with.
If you have commentary about the game, feel free. If you wanna gripe about a scoring system I threw together in 90 seconds, well, I can't stop you, but expect the complaints to fall on deaf ears and to be classified as a moron.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:46 AM\'] But you're not getting it. See, one player is playing PINK numbers, the other BABY BLUE numbers! [/quote]
Any chance we could make the colors BEIGE and BARIUM CRUNCH instead?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 09:45 PM\'] Any chance we could make the colors BEIGE and BARIUM CRUNCH instead? [/quote]
I'd prefer ecru and taupe myself.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 09:45 PM\'] [quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:46 AM\'] But you're not getting it. See, one player is playing PINK numbers, the other BABY BLUE numbers! [/quote]
Any chance we could make the colors BEIGE and BARIUM CRUNCH instead? [/quote]
No, no, no. The key to any game show being popular nowadays is 1.5 million colors.
ObGS (just in case): The bonus round for Wheel is still one of my favorites.
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Or, maybe just a simple color like red and blue would be fine.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 12:27 AM\'] What if he picked Rolf Benirschke to host? [/quote]
With Patrick Wayne (TTD '90) announcing.
Dude, don't give Pearson/Freemantle-types out there any more ammo than they have to have. Enough of the revivals and changing things for the sake of changing them. Save these posts for what's left of ATGS.
*Yes, I know that this was a Heatter-Quigley prod. when it started.
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 04:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:46 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 10:58 AM\'] [quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 08:38 AM\'] Oh, of course, I should've mentioned that a bad roll would give the game to your opponent. [/quote]
...making your version of the show just as broken as the original. [/quote]
But you're not getting it. See, one player is playing PINK numbers, the other BABY BLUE numbers! And each could have his or her own dice table with felt dyed to match their numbers! [/quote]
I meant, the numbers would be different colors. It's the MONITORS with the numbers (they are slide-projected) that are colored blue and pink. Also, they play the same dice table, so the monitors would spin around to face the table, depending on who's playing (again, if it's champ, it's the pink monitor, if it's challenger it's sky blue.). That's what I've been trying to say. [/quote]
Now I'm even more confused. How about you, gshowguy?
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Aug 26 2004, 12:42 AM\'] Now I'm even more confused. How about you, gshowguy? [/quote]
I think he was confused before he got here.