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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: digiblader on August 22, 2004, 11:14:15 PM
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As you know, GSN will be airing the neon slide eps. of PYL next weekend.
But on the Friday show of that week(airing on 8/29), the ep. where we NEARLY(sorry but some people got confused with want I said on the GSN forums about next weekend's shows.) have all three players whammy out(but thankfully someone did win.. no spoilers here.)
But on that show, I have heard that the Water Bike and one of the $1000+One Spin(and possibly $1500) slides got damaged to the point of being unusable.
How would the slides on the board get damaged so badly anyway?
I can't figure out how the slides would get destroyed like that.
(BTW, sorry for the poor grammar on the second sentence there.)
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Power surge? I suppose if a huge spike can ruin a hard drive, it could also zap a slide or two inside a projector. I'm no electrician, but it seems like an electronic board of that size (using 1980's-era circuitry, no less) would invite these kinds of disasters. Weren't these brand new slides that got zapped, too? Figures.
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According to David Hammett (a former atgs'er) who was there for that particular taping, the "Water Bike" slide in square 10 burned out completely, which caused the board to freeze and made several other sqaures burn out as well. The show had to stop production for the rest of the day, and this is why you'll notice several other background colors change as well as a big edit toward the end of the game. The "Water Bike" prize was never seen again.......*sniff* *sniff* ;). This occured on the Sunday taping of the show, and these next two shows were actually taped AFTER the teen week.
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Was this the episode where Peter supposedly started cursing up a storm in the studio, and then left to go to lunch with Rod?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 23 2004, 11:12 AM\'] Was this the episode where Peter supposedly starting cursing up a storm in the studio, and then left to go to lunch with Rod? [/quote]
Yep.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'digiblader\' date=\'Aug 22 2004, 10:14 PM\'] As you know, GSN will be airing the neon slide eps. of PYL next weekend.
But on the Friday show of that week(airing on 8/29), the ep. where we NEARLY(sorry but some people got confused with want I said on the GSN forums about next weekend's shows.) have all three players whammy out(but thankfully someone did win.. no spoilers here.)
But on that show, I have heard that the Water Bike and one of the $1000+One Spin(and possibly $1500) slides got damaged to the point of being unusable.
How would the slides on the board get damaged so badly anyway?
I can't figure out how the slides would get destroyed like that.
(BTW, sorry for the poor grammar on the second sentence there.) [/quote]
Being an electrician, I think what happened is a short might have caused a fault in one of the two slide projectors' "powerstrips"[if you noticed the projectors would sometime fade in/out off-sync, my only theory is that the slides power supply were split off into two outputs for voltage reasons]. A surge of juice flew into the projectors, detonating the lightbulbs, therefore damaging the slides.
-Dan
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Aug 23 2004, 11:05 AM\'] According to David Hammett (a former atgs'er) who was there for that particular taping, the "Water Bike" slide in square 10 burned out completely, which caused the board to freeze and made several other sqaures burn out as well. The show had to stop production for the rest of the day, and this is why you'll notice several other background colors change as well as a big edit toward the end of the game. The "Water Bike" prize was never seen again.......*sniff* *sniff* ;). This occured on the Sunday taping of the show, and these next two shows were actually taped AFTER the teen week. [/quote]
One question, did the big burn out happen in round 1, or round 2? If it happened in round 1, I don't see why they couldn't have just scrapped the episode and started fresh at the next taping.
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You just answered your own question.
It had to have been round 2, because the Water Bike and the $1000+one spin have never been used on the board in round 1.
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I'm not sure what's scarier, discussing this issue like it's a natural disaster, or the logic you just used to refute Adam's notion. :)
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 06:50 PM\'] One question, did the big burn out happen in round 1, or round 2? If it happened in round 1, I don't see why they couldn't have just scrapped the episode and started fresh at the next taping. [/quote]
You can't do that because what if one of the contestants that was in that game was in the lead when it was scrapped. And when they started over, they didn't win... but they could have potentially won if the game had been continued from it's point to where it stopped. Your suggestion would potentially be such a nightmare that it isn't worthy of consideration.
Thanks, and now I'll step off my soapbox.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 08:34 PM\']You can't do that because what if one of the contestants that was in that game was in the lead when it was scrapped. And when they started over, they didn't win... but they could have potentially won if the game had been continued from it's point to where it stopped.[/quote]
I recall reading something about the PYL rule book which stated that if an appropriate amount of spins hadn't been earned, the round could be scrapped and replayed.
Would S&P have kittens in a situation like this where a malfunction stopped taping? I know they didn't replay in this particular case, but would it be acceptable?
I guess a better question is, can a show do anything they want with the game (short of rigging it) as long as the contestants are told before hand about the rules? I would guess that players have to read or sign a disclaimer of some kind.
ITSBRY
itsbry@juno.com
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I recall reading something about the PYL rule book which stated that if an appropriate amount of spins hadn't been earned, the round could be scrapped and replayed.
I don't think this is true, and if it is, that is a STUPID rule. Why try to hide emarassment of the contestant coordinators for picking such dumb contestants in the first place? I for one would get a laugh out of it, just like a dumb answer on Family Feud.... or Lana on PYL's college week, per se.
Would S&P have kittens in a situation like this where a malfunction stopped taping? I know they didn't replay in this particular case, but would it be acceptable?
I guess a better question is, can a show do anything they want with the game (short of rigging it) as long as the contestants are told before hand about the rules? I would guess that players have to read or sign a disclaimer of some kind.
I don't think they can stop the game then start over, that is just not good practice in any setting. I mean, supposing that you're in a pennant race in baseball and all of a sudden the rules say that you start a game over which was stop in say the 8th or 9th inning because of extraneous circumstances (i.e. rain), and started over again and you lost that game, wouldn't you tend to feel that that is unfair and you should pick it up from where you start over?
Hence the whole idea of picking the game back up from where you leave off.
Again, I concede the soapbox...
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I don't think they can stop the game then start over, that is just not good practice in any setting. I mean, supposing that you're in a pennant race in baseball and all of a sudden the rules say that you start a game over which was stop in say the 8th or 9th inning because of extraneous circumstances (i.e. rain), and started over again and you lost that game, wouldn't you tend to feel that that is unfair and you should pick it up from where you start over?
That can happen in baseball. If a certain number of innings have not been played (5 full innings), and rain stops play for that day, then the game does not count. Once it is an offical game though, if rain stops it, and they are unable to finish the game, then whoever is leading wins.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 09:07 PM\']
I don't think they can stop the game then start over, that is just not good practice in any setting. I mean, supposing that you're in a pennant race in baseball and all of a sudden the rules say that you start a game over which was stop in say the 8th or 9th inning because of extraneous circumstances (i.e. rain), and started over again and you lost that game, wouldn't you tend to feel that that is unfair and you should pick it up from where you start over?
That can happen in baseball. If a certain number of innings have not been played (4 and a half I do believe), and rain stops play for that day, then the game does not count. Once it is an offical game though, if rain stops it, and they are unable to finish the game, then whoever is leading wins. [/quote]
Which shows your lack of knowledge about something else.
National Federation rules provide that the umpire may suspend the game in the event of power failure or weather.
From MLB.com; here is rule 4.12.5 from the official MLB Rule Book:
(5) Weather, if the game is called while an inning is in progress and before it is completed, and one of the following situations prevails: (i) The visiting team has scored one or more runs to tie the score, and the home team has not scored. (ii) The visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not tied the score or retaken the lead.
More here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official...start_end_4.jsp (http://\"http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/start_end_4.jsp\")
I see nothing about a game being scratched.
Go play with your Furbie.
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Here's proof right here: Rule 4.10 letter e states the following:
(e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it "No Game."
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 09:17 PM\'] Here's proof right here: Rule 4.10 letter e states the following:
(e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it "No Game." [/quote]
That's only the basic rule.
It's as simple as the NFHS rule for basketball that states "Whatever team that has the most points at the end of regulation wins the game".
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While it is basic, that's what I was trying to say in my earlier post. You made what I was saying more complicated then it was. But, if you want more proof here it is:
(4) If a suspended game has not been resumed and completed on the last date scheduled for the two clubs, it shall be a called game.
That also came from rule 4.12
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 10:07 PM\'] That can happen in baseball. If a certain number of innings have not been played (5 full innings), and rain stops play for that day, then the game does not count. Once it is an offical game though, if rain stops it, and they are unable to finish the game, then whoever is leading wins. [/quote]
Ahem, to back what Don said... take it from someone who lives baseball, breathes baseball, announces baseball, loves baseball, and understands it.
Especially in high school and college, games are picked back up from the suspended point quite often.
It sounds like you never played baseball or been there, just thought you knew it. I've been lurking on this board lately and some of your posts are sorely lacking. I'm sorry to negatively comment on anybody, but geez!
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I never read those rules, until I saw them. But you guys both overcomplicated the matter. All I was trying to say, was that it is possible that a game in progress can be cancelled if not offical, meaning that the game has to be restarted from the beginning. Nothing more nothing less.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 09:59 PM\'] I never read those rules. [/quote]
Then perhaps you should refrain from posting until you know the scope. Nick's a huge baseball fan, in the past, I had a license to officiate varsity softball (and I still do basketball and volleyball). Leave this kind of information to those who know what they're talking about.
Now go play with your Tickle-Me-Elmo.
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Does it really matter who's right? Some baseball rule is nothing to continue arguing about.
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You know you guys act like, that in order to be a baseball fan you need to know all the little rules in the rulebook. Most fans I bet if you took a survey probably don't. Just because I don't know all the little rules of baseball, doesn't mean I don't enjoy baseball, or am not a fan. I am a big fan.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 09:59 PM\'] I never read those rules. [/quote]
Then perhaps you should refrain from posting until you know the scope. Nick's a huge baseball fan, in the past, I had a license to officiate varsity softball (and I still do basketball and volleyball). Leave this kind of information to those who know what they're talking about.
Now go play with your Tickle-Me-Elmo. [/quote]
Yes, and I have umpired Little League games and some private softball tournaments back in the day..., and this year pitched in for Daniel Boone High here in Gray, TN , I am their announcer, scorekeeper and bookkeeper.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:06 PM\'] You know you guys act like, that in order to be a baseball fan you need to know all the little rules in the rulebook. Most fans I bet if you took a survey probably don't. Just because I don't know all the little rules of baseball, doesn't mean I don't enjoy baseball, or am not a fan. I am a big fan. [/quote]
Well, most people commonly don't. But the simple fact of the matter is (getting back to the original topic), that given a scenario, it makes more logical sense to continue from the point the game was interrupted, not scrap it and start over. Those contestants get only one chance, and I for one wouldn't want to be possibly screwed out of it like that.
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[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 09:50 PM\'] I guess a better question is, can a show do anything they want with the game (short of rigging it) as long as the contestants are told before hand about the rules? I would guess that players have to read or sign a disclaimer of some kind.
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Pretty much, yes. There isn't a Commissioner of Game Shows that makes sure that the sanctity of the format is preserved. Contestants sign off on a form that says the producers control everything and you can't do squat about it. They have to do that to protect themselves, too many people look for loopholes and excuses and anyone but themselves to blame when things don't work out the way they'd like.
On a practical level, it's in the producer's best interest to make sure that a contestant who was victimized by a bad question or blown call gets another chance, but my understanding is that they wouldn't legally even have to do that.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 24 2004, 11:11 PM\'] Pretty much, yes. There isn't a Commissioner of Game Shows that makes sure that the sanctity of the format is preserved. Contestants sign off on a form that says the producers control everything and you can't do squat about it. They have to do that to protect themselves, too many people look for loopholes and excuses and anyone but themselves to blame when things don't work out the way they'd like.
On a practical level, it's in the producer's best interest to make sure that a contestant who was victimized by a bad question or blown call gets another chance, but my understanding is that they wouldn't legally even have to do that. [/quote]
And I would absolutely agree. Especially in the 50's when dealing with Barry and Enright... you had NO control over what happened.....
....but I don't want to go off topic again....
:D
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I recall reading something about the PYL rule book which stated that if an appropriate amount of spins hadn't been earned, the round could be scrapped and replayed.
This WAS a rule and it did happen a couple of times. I remember one such instance where a disclaimer proceeded the end credits, and it said something to the effect of "because there weren't enough spins earned in round one, the round was played over". When contestants got correct answers during the retaped round, Peter kept joking "now you're rolling!"
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:05 AM\'] This WAS a rule and it did happen a couple of times. I remember one such instance where a disclaimer proceeded the end credits, and it said something to the effect of "because there weren't enough spins earned in round one, the round was played over". [/quote]
Also, I believe Mandel told us that on Whammy, if they didn't have a sufficient number of spins racked up by Question 3 or so of the Question Round, they went to a special set of Idiot Questions designed to "enhance" the spin counts. So it's not an uncommon thing.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 01:05 PM\']
This WAS a rule and it did happen a couple of times. I remember one such instance where a disclaimer proceeded the end credits, and it said something to the effect of "because there weren't enough spins earned in round one, the round was played over". When contestants got correct answers during the retaped round, Peter kept joking "now you're rolling!" [/quote]
This must have meant the players missed some easy questions in the question round that was thrown out. Recall that sometimes the third and/or fourth questions in a round were replaced with easier ones if the spin totals were a bit low going into them. There'd be a bit of a pause while Peter found the card with the easier question(s) on them.
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Then how come they allowed that Round 2 in one ep. where everyone had only one puny spin each?
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[quote name=\'digiblader\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 07:49 PM\'] Then how come they allowed that Round 2 in one ep. where everyone had only one puny spin each? [/quote]
Maybe that's what made them realize they needed the "Idiot Questions."
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[quote name=\'digiblader\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 04:49 PM\'] Then how come they allowed that Round 2 in one ep. where everyone had only one puny spin each? [/quote]
Since my name is not Mandel Ilagan, I cannot answer that question.
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[quote name=\'digiblader\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 07:49 PM\'] Then how come they allowed that Round 2 in one ep. where everyone had only one puny spin each? [/quote]
It's their rules, it's their game show.
Maybe Todd Newton was particularly funny about it, or maybe they decided that just this once, it woudl be amusing to leave in the ineptitude. Maybe, like someone else suggested, they added the rule later. Whatever.
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[quote name=\'digiblader\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 06:49 PM\'] Then how come they allowed that Round 2 in one ep. where everyone had only one puny spin each? [/quote]
It could be that the contestants were such inept blocks of waste that's the best they could do with even, as they were lovingly yet accurately described earlier, the "idiot questions".
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 05:13 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 11:05 AM\'] This WAS a rule and it did happen a couple of times. I remember one such instance where a disclaimer proceeded the end credits, and it said something to the effect of "because there weren't enough spins earned in round one, the round was played over". [/quote]
Also, I believe Mandel told us that on Whammy, if they didn't have a sufficient number of spins racked up by Question 3 or so of the Question Round, they went to a special set of Idiot Questions designed to "enhance" the spin counts. So it's not an uncommon thing.[/quote]
And I believe someone once said on this board that the original "PYL" did the exact same thing. A light came on Tomarken's podium and he switched to the Idiot Stack.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 25 2004, 08:34 PM\']It's their rules, it's their game show.
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I don't think they lived on 72 Whooping Cough Lane. :) :) :)
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Then how come they allowed that Round 2 in one ep. where everyone had only one puny spin each?
I believe you're referring to a 1984 episode which has been run on GSN. Even though each player only had one spin, Peter streched, and did a very long explanation of some of the squares on the board. Also, the first player picked up two additional spins so the round wasn't as short as it could have been.
And I believe someone once said on this board that the original "PYL" did the exact same thing. A light came on Tomarken's podium and he switched to the Idiot Stack.
Yes, and quite frequently you could see it on the wide shot.