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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: adamjk on August 19, 2004, 12:25:17 PM
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How much longer do you guys think Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy will survive in syndication? I am quite confident that it will be a while before they bite the dust, but as we all know, all good shows must come to an end at some point. When do you think these two shows will finally meet their ends?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 12:25 PM\'] I am quite confident that it will be a while before they bite the dust, but as we all know, all good shows must come to an end at some point. [/quote]
Actually, that's just not true. There are many shows (Meet the Press, Today, Entertainment Tonight, SNL) that could easily last as long as television itself, or at least until a substantial change in the economic model that makes them viable. And unlike TPIR, both Wheel and Jeopardy are driven much more by their content than by the appeal of their host, so they could easily continue long after Pat, Vanna or Alex steps down.
Time will tell whether their appeal will match those others I mentioned, but the idea that "all good shows must come to an end" is not a safe assumption.
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Well okay, but all good game shows should come to an end at some point.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 01:10 PM\'] Well okay, but all good game shows should come to an end at some point. [/quote]
If they're good, why should they come to an end?
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Well and this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I think eventually a person's tastes may change, and they may want something different from the 30 or 40 year old game show. Case in point the current reality show craze.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 01:24 PM\'] Well and this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but I think eventually a person's tastes may change, and they may want something different from the 30 or 40 year old game show. Case in point the current reality show craze. [/quote]
No one's disputing that shows which aren't attracting viewers should come to an end. What I'm asking is why you feel that "all good shows should come to end." That's not the same thing.
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Well, regardless of how good the show is, I feel eventually the show will run its course, and I think it should go before it has to be cancelled. You know go out on top.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 12:35 PM\'] Well, regardless of how good the show is, I feel eventually the show will run its course, and I think it should go before it has to be cancelled. You know go out on top. [/quote]
Wheel has long run beyond its course, IMHO. If all good things come to an end as you say, Wheel would've been cancelled a good 10 years ago.
J!, OTOH, still has some steam left, and JenKennings is letting it run even further.
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What exactly does OTOH stand for? Forgive me if I have asked this before.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 02:49 PM\'] What exactly does OTOH stand for? Forgive me if I have asked this before. [/quote]
On The Other Hand.
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The only thing keeping Wheel Of Fortune on the air is those 1.5 million colors of light. Since Matt O. was there and saw it last Friday, he can describe the ecstasy better than I. As I recall, he described it to me on Sunday as "a big rush of colors".
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 01:54 PM\'] The only thing keeping Wheel Of Fortune on the air is those 1.5 million colors of light. Since Matt O. was there and saw it last Friday, he can describe the ecstasy better than I. As I recall, he described it to me on Sunday as "a big rush of colors". [/quote]
Sounds like an acid trip to me.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 03:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 01:54 PM\'] "a big rush of colors". [/quote]
Sounds like an acid trip to me. [/quote]
Yes to both. Preeeeettty.
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Maybe, with "The Insider" starting up this fall, the industry will finally acknowledge a glut of infotainment shows. Then maybe someone with a terrific idea and terrific connections can get a new game show on the air, one without Whoopi Goldberg, one that might finally prompt a weary public to put aside "Wheel" and watch something fresh and interesting for a change, something without all those damn plugs.
Then Vanna can finally sit down and move on to the lucrative world of Medicare-supplement advertising, and "Wheel" can finally rest for awhile. (Not that it would return in a couple of years as the all-new "Super Wheel of Fortune.")
"Jeopardy," on the other hand, will hopefully last forever.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 03:50 PM\'] Maybe, with "The Insider" starting up this fall, the industry will finally acknowledge a glut of infotainment shows. Then maybe someone with a terrific idea and terrific connections can get a new game show on the air, one without Whoopi Goldberg, one that might finally prompt a weary public to put aside "Wheel" and watch something fresh and interesting for a change, something without all those damn plugs.
Then Vanna can finally sit down and move on to the lucrative world of Medicare-supplement advertising, and "Wheel" can finally rest for awhile. (Not that it would return in a couple of years as the all-new "Super Wheel of Fortune.")
"Jeopardy," on the other hand, will hopefully last forever. [/quote]
I take it you don't care for Wheel much.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 02:02 PM\'] I take it you don't care for Wheel much. [/quote]
This may surprise you, but there are a _lot_ of us who don't care for Wheel much.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 02:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 02:02 PM\'] I take it you don't care for Wheel much. [/quote]
This may surprise you, but there are a _lot_ of us who don't care for Wheel much. [/quote]
I don't care for "Wheel" much myself... anymore. I'd MUCH rather watch old[er] tapes of past episodes. Too plug happy and -- I don't know the word to describe it -- glitzy? This is just my opinion (and I'm guessing I'm in the minority), but I think the show was best in the late 80s and early 90s. I don't care for the shopping much.
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BUT....there are some that still watch the show, albeit infrequently.
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[quote name=\'HairMetalLives\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 05:36 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 02:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 02:02 PM\'] I take it you don't care for Wheel much. [/quote]
This may surprise you, but there are a _lot_ of us who don't care for Wheel much. [/quote]
I don't care for "Wheel" much myself... anymore. I'd MUCH rather watch old[er] tapes of past episodes. Too plug happy and -- I don't know the word to describe it -- glitzy? This is just my opinion (and I'm guessing I'm in the minority), but I think the show was best in the late 80s and early 90s. I don't care for the shopping much. [/quote]
Same here. I loved Wheel growing up, but I don't care for what it has become, which Neumms pretty much summed up. I watch from time to time, but it doesn't hold my interest like it used to, the way J! still does. All the high-tech stuff gives me a cold feeling, but maybe the 1.5 million colors of light can cheer me up.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 05:36 PM\'] BUT....there are some that still watch the show, albeit infrequently. [/quote]
No one is disputing the fact that there are people who still enjoy the show today. If there wasn't the show would have already been cancelled. People are just saying, that the show isn't as fun to watch as it once was. It's became a shell of its former self. Personally, all the plugs and such doesn't bother me much. They are only doing the things they need to do to keep the show fresh and interesting. You can't fault them for trying to keep up with the times. Besides, I mainly watch to play along with the puzzles. Plus Pat and Vanna are fun to watch together.
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Wheel has long run beyond its course, IMHO.
You know, I actually thought the same thing about "Price is Right" about 10 years ago, but now I'm really enjoying it again. I think that's the thing about these long running shows - sometimes you get tired of them, but when you're ready for them again they're still there for you. Call it maybe a "second wind".
How long is each show currently renewed for - 2006 isn't it?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 06:35 PM\'] Pat and Vanna are fun to watch together. [/quote]
Pat and Vanna are two sticks of gum. Have a look at Chuck and Susan's banter if you've a tape of them and then have a look at Pat and Vanna. No comparison.
And how soon will it be until the BANKRUPT space is sponsored by Enron?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Aug 20 2004, 10:40 AM\'] And how soon will it be until the BANKRUPT space is sponsored by Enron? [/quote]
Nah, they're in no position to be sponsoring anything.
Trump, on the other hand... :)
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 20 2004, 12:10 PM\']
Wheel has long run beyond its course, IMHO.
You know, I actually thought the same thing about "Price is Right" about 10 years ago, but now I'm really enjoying it again. I think that's the thing about these long running shows - sometimes you get tired of them, but when you're ready for them again they're still there for you. Call it maybe a "second wind".
How long is each show currently renewed for - 2006 isn't it? [/quote]
At this point one would assume Price is Right will go on until Bob steps down at least. He is the show more or less after all. Once Bob steps down, then we can start talking renewals. FYI, Bob normally signs on for 1 more year at a time at his age.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 19 2004, 11:25 AM\'] When do you think these two shows will finally meet their ends? [/quote]
When Ken Jennings loses on his 4369th episode.
For Wheel, it's when you have "The category is Thing...brought to you by Today's Girl Pantyhose!
I take it you don't care for Wheel much
The show went down the hill the day Sony took over.
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When did they take over the show?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 20 2004, 03:39 PM\']When did they take over the show?[/quote]
Sony bought Columbia Pictures in 1991 and merged the Merv Griffin Enterprises division into Columbia TriStar Television in 1994 or so.
If somone wants to pinpoint when they may've stopped liking "Wheel," it would probably be when Nancy Jones was replaced as producer by Harry Friedman--was that 1995 or 1996?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 20 2004, 03:12 PM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 20 2004, 03:39 PM\']When did they take over the show?[/quote]
Sony bought Columbia Pictures in 1991 and merged the Merv Griffin Enterprises division into Columbia TriStar Television in 1994 or so.
If somone wants to pinpoint when they may've stopped liking "Wheel," it would probably be when Nancy Jones was replaced as producer by Harry Friedman--was that 1995 or 1996? [/quote]
Ah ha!! So THAT'S why they've started to suck! I said in an earlier post that I thought they were best fromt he late 80s-early 90s. And Sony took over... in the early 90s, apparently.