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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: adamjk on July 15, 2004, 12:14:45 PM
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I have a question regarding next season's TOC. Let's say, that the TOC rolls around, and Ken is still champ. Then in the TOC Ken wins. My question is, would they add the $250,000 to his total as champ, or would that be separate from his other winnings?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 12:14 PM\'] I have a question regarding next season's TOC. Let's say, that the TOC rolls around, and Ken is still champ. Then in the TOC Ken wins. My question is, would they add the $250,000 to his total as champ, or would that be separate from his other winnings? [/quote]
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, it almost sounds like you're saying Ken is in the TOC while he's still champ?
I don't think Ken would be eligible for the TOC until he loses, but I could be wrong..
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I would assume seeing how much he has won, that if he is still champ when the TOC rolls along, he would be allowed to play. After all, other shows have allowed their current champs to play in the TOC. The $100,000 Pyramid comes to mind.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 12:21 PM\'] I would assume seeing how much he has won, that if he is still champ when the TOC rolls along, he would be allowed to play. After all, other shows have allowed their current champs to play in the TOC. The $100,000 Pyramid comes to mind. [/quote]
I don't know - I can't say one way or the other for sure, but someone will know...
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 09:14 AM\'] I have a question regarding next season's TOC. Let's say, that the TOC rolls around, and Ken is still champ. Then in the TOC Ken wins. My question is, would they add the $250,000 to his total as champ, or would that be separate from his other winnings? [/quote]
I don't see where the hell it makes a difference. Spends the same either way.
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I know, I'm just curious is all.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 10:29 AM\'] I know, I'm just curious is all. [/quote]
Well, explain why it matters first, and then we might be able to give you an answer. So far I for one have no damn idea what you're getting at.
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Look, this may not be important or matter to you, but to me it does matter. All I was asking, is if Ken is still champ when the TOC begins, and he wins it, would the $250,000 be added to his winnings as champ, or would the $250,000 be separate from his total winnings as champion?
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I don't think Ken will be on the show much longer, so it will be a moot point. The whirlwind press tour all of a sudden is a dead giveaway.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 10:56 AM\'] Look, this may not be important or matter to you, but to me it does matter. All I was asking, is if Ken is still champ when the TOC begins, and he wins it, would the $250,000 be added to his winnings as champ, or would the $250,000 be separate from his total winnings as champion? [/quote]
Yeah, I know what you're asking, I can read. What you STILL haven't explained is what the hell the difference is.
Would Jeopardy cut him a seperate check for the TOC winnings aside from the check he gets from regular play? Probably.
Would it count towards qualifiying for the following year's Tournament? I doubt it. Assuming that's the system they have in place. Which we can't.
Would the money count towards the "record"? Well, there's no official record bood or governing body over such things, so that's for you to decide.
Does he claim it seperately on his taxes? Of course not.
So did I stumble upon your question, there, or would you like to try to articulate it in a language we ALL understand?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I don't think Ken will be on the show much longer, so it will be a moot point. The whirlwind press tour all of a sudden is a dead giveaway. [/quote]
The whirlwind press tour says nothing other than the fact that the show is trying to capitalize on Ken crossing the $1 Million line, which is a number of interest to most people.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 01:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I don't think Ken will be on the show much longer, so it will be a moot point. The whirlwind press tour all of a sudden is a dead giveaway. [/quote]
The whirlwind press tour says nothing other than the fact that the show is trying to capitalize on Ken crossing the $1 Million line, which is a number of interest to most people. [/quote]
And if they do it two weeks from now, the show would be in reruns of tournaments and you wouldn't be able to see Ken at all--they're striking while the iron is hot.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 02:20 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 01:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I don't think Ken will be on the show much longer, so it will be a moot point. The whirlwind press tour all of a sudden is a dead giveaway. [/quote]
The whirlwind press tour says nothing other than the fact that the show is trying to capitalize on Ken crossing the $1 Million line, which is a number of interest to most people. [/quote]
And if they do it two weeks from now, the show would be in reruns of tournaments and you wouldn't be able to see Ken at all--they're striking while the iron is hot. [/quote]
Plus, we still don't know if he's lost yet. I mean, how long ago did the last episode tape? April something? He may have won all of those. In which case, the current press tour doesn't tell you a damn thing.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 02:20 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 01:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I don't think Ken will be on the show much longer, so it will be a moot point. The whirlwind press tour all of a sudden is a dead giveaway. [/quote]
The whirlwind press tour says nothing other than the fact that the show is trying to capitalize on Ken crossing the $1 Million line, which is a number of interest to most people. [/quote]
And if they do it two weeks from now, the show would be in reruns of tournaments and you wouldn't be able to see Ken at all--they're striking while the iron is hot. [/quote]
Plus, we still don't know if he's lost yet. I mean, how long ago did the last episode tape? April something? He may have won all of those. In which case, the current press tour doesn't tell you a damn thing.[/quote]
Except to keep "J!"'s name in front of the public--and every little bit of publicity helps.
Besides, it's not like he add to eat horse rectums to get all this attention. :)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 03:42 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 02:20 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 01:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I don't think Ken will be on the show much longer, so it will be a moot point. The whirlwind press tour all of a sudden is a dead giveaway. [/quote]
The whirlwind press tour says nothing other than the fact that the show is trying to capitalize on Ken crossing the $1 Million line, which is a number of interest to most people. [/quote]
And if they do it two weeks from now, the show would be in reruns of tournaments and you wouldn't be able to see Ken at all--they're striking while the iron is hot. [/quote]
Plus, we still don't know if he's lost yet. I mean, how long ago did the last episode tape? April something? He may have won all of those. In which case, the current press tour doesn't tell you a damn thing.[/quote]
Except to keep "J!"'s name in front of the public--and every little bit of publicity helps.
Besides, it's not like he add to eat horse rectums to get all this attention. :) [/quote]
Exactly, but the first poster didn't seem to have a clue.
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I don't have any inside info, but the producers do. If he does make it to September, wouldn't that another good time (maybe even better) to make the rounds? If he doesn't, I figure right now would be the only time for the appearances. Time will tell.
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Heaven help me, but I think I understand Adam's question to be: If Ken finished the season with, say, $1,200,000, then won the ToC, would his total winnings on the next regular-season show be announced as $1,200,000 or $1,450,000?
And I'm almost certain the answer is that champions that have not been defeated by the end of a J! season do not qualify for that season's ToC in the first place.
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At this point, I don't think he could be in the ToC until he loses, nor could there be one...
Obviously, any winnings he would pick up would be recognized as one sum total, but it does raise interesting questions...
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Agreed on the capitalizing on the milestone: This is the first time that any game show contestant has reached $1,000,000 without some sort of giveaway or gimmick for that amount.
Jeopardy! has now equaled Wheel in the ratings, according to Steve, so why wouldn't they...
And, if he gets to the end of the season, it might not be "When will he lose?" but "Will he lose?"
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As stupid and idiotic as this sounds, I wonder if he would ever grow bored of winning, day in and day out, and just simply blow an FJ!, or not bet enough, or do something to end his reign. Mind you, this is not something that I want him to do, I enjoy seeing him as champ, but it's something I've wondered about.
Michael Larson, as we know, ended at $110,237 but he could have kept going if he wanted to - he chose to stop, as best I remember, and passed his spins. How much further he could have went, I guess, depends on if CBS would have stopped him.
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Re: Larsen on PYL
It's pretty well common knowledge CBS _couldn't_ have stopped him -- see GSN's one good game show documentary on Larsen's run for that one.
As far as Aaron's point: I've been beginning to wonder if the only way he might be ousted (short of an early-season exit, when his timing has not come back) would be some sort of resignation of the championship on a voluntary basis. I mean, think: Only 7 of his games have not ended in a runaway, out of 32.
This is getting nuts.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 05:55 PM\'] Heaven help me, but I think I understand Adam's question to be: If Ken finished the season with, say, $1,200,000, then won the ToC, would his total winnings on the next regular-season show be announced as $1,200,000 or $1,450,000?
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Ah. Then my original answer ("who the hell CARES?") stands. :)
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As I said before, you may not care, but I do.
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I think the only real question would be, if he were still champ and they decided to do a ToC, whether he might, with sufficient further regular-season wins (assuming an early-season ToC), be eligible for ANOTHER ToC...
Otherwise, it does sound like a somewhat pointless question...
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 06:51 PM\'] As I said before, you may not care, but I do. [/quote]
You are, I assure you, alone in that sentiment.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 09:51 PM\'] As I said before, you may not care, but I do. [/quote]
I don't think there's anyone here who would doubt that you care about a great many things even when no one else does. :-) That's your right, but you shouldn't be surprised to find that no one has an answer to your question when it never occurred to anyone else to ask it in the first place.
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I would presume that, if he were eligible, they'd add it.
Game show convention would imply that all winnings on a show are combined (which see Carpenter's $1,125,000 total for his regular and ToC Millionaire appearances...).
So I would presume, if he were to be in a ToC concurrent with his championship (and allowed to continue), they would combine.
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 07:39 PM\']
Game show convention would imply [/quote]
Besides "an occasional fan gathering", what the HELL is "game show convention"?
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Conventional wisdom...
For example, I would believe conventional wisdom would add Rutter's cars to the total, making the syndie record about $100K away now...
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Whether or not anyone else cares, as someone once mentioned before, this board is exactly the board to bring questions about game shows that no one else cares about. And, whether or not anyone cares, the first question raised was: what does it matter? It matters almost none, surely; but, how much of the stuff on this board REALLY matters? No one is dying because of it yet ;)
He was just wondering; I mean, the fact that some people HAVE answered seriously means that some people actually do seem to care enough as to provide a real answer :)
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Jul 15 2004, 09:21 PM\'] Only 7 of his games have not ended in a runaway, out of 32.
This is getting nuts. [/quote]
As I posted on another thread:
It's less than 7.
It's 5.
June 2, 8, 21, 25, and 29.
Andy Saunders
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My 2¢ (alt-0162 if you want to do it yourself) worth:
1. On a show where merchandise is not announced as part of the total, it is logical to look only at cash winnings. (The first college champ to win a car was introduced in the following ToC with only the cash winnings, not "$xx,xxx in cash and prizes.")
2. On Super Jeopardy!, contestants' winnings included regular games and ToC appearances. In the Million Dollar Masters, and even in the last ToC, IIRC, no figures were announced at all.
3. I am assuming that the ToC, which has been taped, will air out of order relative to the regular games. If I were the producer, and Ken was still the defending champion when the ToC taped, I would not want him to appear because of continuity issues: Either Alex would appear not to know whether he had lost at the time of the ToC, or he would appear not to know whether Ken won when the games resumed.
4. Once Ken's regular appearances and his ToC appearance have concluded, his total would naturally include both.
5. The reason The $100,000 Pyramid didn't have too big a problem with a defending champion appearing in a tournament is that they had a five-day limit.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jul 24 2004, 12:13 PM\']
5. The reason The $100,000 Pyramid didn't have too big a problem with a defending champion appearing in a tournament is that they had a five-day limit. [/quote]
But they did have at least one champ in both Clark and Davidson $100K who was champion when the tournament began. The players in question did not win the tourney, and resumed their championship after the tourney ended. Whether someone who won a $100K tourney and was champion before it began would get to come back and defend their championship is up for speculation.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 24 2004, 07:05 PM\']But they did have at least one champ in both Clark and Davidson $100K who was champion when the tournament began. The players in question did not win the tourney, and resumed their championship after the tourney ended. Whether someone who won a $100K tourney and was champion before it began would get to come back and defend their championship is up for speculation.[/quote]
IMO, the only fair thing would have been not to allow them to qualify for a second tournament. They were already being fair in placing them in the "first" tournament, because the Winner's Circle time they had set was in that window for qualification. Allowing them a chance at a second tournament would be unfair to all of the contestants who didn't get a chance to become champion right before a tournament week.
Of course, lots of progressive jackpots (I'm looking at you, Super Password) rewarded some contestants more than others based solely on how unsuccessful their immediate predecessor(s) had been during the bonus round, so what do I know from fair.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jul 25 2004, 11:42 AM\'] IMO, the only fair thing would have been not to allow them to qualify for a second tournament. They were already being fair in placing them in the "first" tournament, because the Winner's Circle time they had set was in that window for qualification. Allowing them a chance at a second tournament would be unfair to all of the contestants who didn't get a chance to become champion right before a tournament week.[/quote]
I don't see the problem in it, so long as the game was reset and they were required to requalify like Heather Davis (mmmm :)) was. If you're good enough to post qualifying times in seperate tournament periods, you should be able to play in both, and your performance in the first one shouldn't count against you.
However, I can see the argument that a $100K champion is permanently retired, to allow more people a shot at it, so as Zach said, it will all only ever be speculation, since the show is gone. (R.I.P.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 25 2004, 02:54 PM\']I don't see the problem in it, so long as the game was reset and they were required to requalify like Heather Davis (mmmm :)) was. If you're good enough to post qualifying times in seperate tournament periods, you should be able to play in both, and your performance in the first one shouldn't count against you.[/quote]
My point was that most contestants did not get a chance to qualify in both in the first place. If you're playing when a tournament is still three weeks away, your two separate 30-second victories get you one tournament slot.
The point is not to diminish good players who begin their runs right before a tournament, but to not give them an unfair advantage over players from the previous two months.