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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: adamjk on July 05, 2004, 12:14:33 PM
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1. When did they get rid of the gold curtain that would drop behind the host after he entered?
2. When did they change the score displays, so that the dollar sign would go right next to the dollar figures instead of being seen on the very end of the readout?
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From pictures I have seen, it looks like they got rid of the curtain when the show moved to CBS (at least for the daytime version...I'd imagine that the same held true when the nighttime version moved to tape at CBS). I have seen pictures with Rolf hosting and the gold curtain behind him on his last episode (picture on this page (http://\"http://gscentral.net/wof/1989.htm\")).
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I think you're thinking of a different curtain, the one I am talking about is the one seen here: http://gscentral.net/wof/1980.htm (http://\"http://gscentral.net/wof/1980.htm\").
EDIT: Never mind just saw the pic. I was looking at the wrong one.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 12:14 PM\'] 2. When did they change the score displays, so that the dollar sign would go right next to the dollar figures instead of being seen on the very end of the readout? [/quote]
IIRC, the displays went to "floating" dollar sings (as we who have experience in RPG call them) when they went from 6- to 7-digit displays. I could be wrong, though.
Also, after looking at those pix of the wheel in 1980, doesn't that shade of red look too dark? You could barely read the numbers! It also looks like they used a new shade of blue when they recolored the wheel in 1986.
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When did they go to 7 digit displays?
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The gold curtain was removed in 1989...when the show moved to CBS. When the show moved to CBS, the set changed, and therefore, the displays moved over.
As far as that curtain, when did the colors change?
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If the gold curtain was removed in 89 then why do the nighttime shows from the 88-89 season airing on GSN now, free of them?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 09:21 PM\'] If the gold curtain was removed in 89 then why do the nighttime shows from the 88-89 season airing on GSN now, free of them? [/quote]
The Oct 5 1987-Summer 1989 first run nighttime shows didn't use the gold curtain, while the daytime show used it until they left NBC for CBS.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 11:31 AM\'] When did they go to 7 digit displays? [/quote]
Either 1990 or 1991.
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While on the topic, I noticed that sometimes, after a contestant had won over $10,000, the dollar sign would disappear from the board, leaving just the total. I think this was when the dollar sign was left-justified, as opposed to being attached to the total bank. Does anyone else remember this, or know why they would have such an odd change?
-Travis
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 11:20 PM\'] While on the topic, I noticed that sometimes, after a contestant had won over $10,000, the dollar sign would disappear from the board, leaving just the total. I think this was when the dollar sign was left-justified, as opposed to being attached to the total bank. Does anyone else remember this, or know why they would have such an odd change? [/quote]
Maybe the tote manufacturer decided that some people would misread the dollar sign for a digit, so they programmed the board to turn it off outright when they couldn't fit at least one space between that and the first digit.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 09:24 PM\'][quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 09:21 PM\'] If the gold curtain was removed in 89 then why do the nighttime shows from the 88-89 season airing on GSN now, free of them? [/quote]
The Oct 5 1987-Summer 1989 first run nighttime shows didn't use the gold curtain, while the daytime show used it until they left NBC for CBS.[/quote]
And by the time Sajak took over, the curtain was raised during the contestant interview and we saw part of the turntable behind Pat, which further revealed that by that time the curtain's only purpose was for something for Vanna to walk through when making her entrance every day. It did stay behind Woolery all throughout his run, raising only when shopping came around, along with the game board being moved out, since one of the platforms was always behind the board.
In the early weeks of the show, Woolery stood in front of white-with-green-tile doors that always parted to reveal the platforms, which were changed during the breaks and gameplay. When they started having the contestants select which platforms they wanted to shop at first (and when they dropped having Susan intro the contestants), the doors were taken out, the curtain was brought in, all three platforms were on stage at once and Susan started making her daily entrance without mike or talking.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 01:20 AM\'] While on the topic, I noticed that sometimes, after a contestant had won over $10,000, the dollar sign would disappear from the board, leaving just the total. I think this was when the dollar sign was left-justified, as opposed to being attached to the total bank. Does anyone else remember this, or know why they would have such an odd change?
-Travis [/quote]
I'd notice that myself.
And during the 1989-1990 season, if a champ was dethroned, their final total would be seen behind them, but if they'd won over $100,000 (which I recall happened once), the total would flash in front of them.
And speaking of $100K winners on Wheel in that era, Charlie O announced at the end of the show that, any player who won over $100,000 would also have that same amount donated (in cash) to the charity of their choice. Is that defunct now, or what?
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 11:57 AM\']And speaking of $100K winners on Wheel in that era, Charlie O announced at the end of the show that, any player who won over $100,000 would also have that same amount donated (in cash) to the charity of their choice. Is that defunct now, or what?[/quote]
If Ken Jennings doesn't have to donate $600,000 + of his winnings to charity, I would assume that "Wheel" contestants only give involuntarily to the IRS.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 12:02 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 11:57 AM\']And speaking of $100K winners on Wheel in that era, Charlie O announced at the end of the show that, any player who won over $100,000 would also have that same amount donated (in cash) to the charity of their choice. Is that defunct now, or what?[/quote]
If Ken Jennings doesn't have to donate $600,000 + of his winnings to charity, I would assume that "Wheel" contestants only give involuntarily to the IRS. [/quote]
Well, they kept their loot as usual, but they donated that same amount, in cash ONLY to the charity. That's what I heard.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 01:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 12:02 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 11:57 AM\']And speaking of $100K winners on Wheel in that era, Charlie O announced at the end of the show that, any player who won over $100,000 would also have that same amount donated (in cash) to the charity of their choice. Is that defunct now, or what?[/quote]
If Ken Jennings doesn't have to donate $600,000 + of his winnings to charity, I would assume that "Wheel" contestants only give involuntarily to the IRS. [/quote]
Well, they kept their loot as usual, but they donated that same amount, in cash ONLY to the charity. That's what I heard. [/quote]
I thought the rule was that a contestant could only keep up to $100,000, with the overage going to charity. I remember Pat addressed that after the first six-figure winner was crowned. Nowadays, there is no winnings limit on either show.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 12:08 PM\'] Well, they kept their loot as usual, but they donated that same amount, in cash ONLY to the charity. That's what I heard. [/quote]
So, what you're saying is that if a person won two $65K cars, they would have to give $30K in cash to charity? Does that make sense?
Brandon Brooks
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No, no, no.
I'm saying that the player would keep the $100K+ in cash and prizes as they normally would.
But, during the pre-bonus wheel era, Charlie O, at the end of the show said that the total would be MATCHED and DONATED in cash to the charity of the player's choice.
I hope this loosens the confusion.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 03:13 PM\'] I hope this loosens the confusion. [/quote]
I hope so too. That tight confusion can be irritating.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 12:13 PM\'] But, during the pre-bonus wheel era, Charlie O, at the end of the show said that the total would be MATCHED and DONATED in cash to the charity of the player's choice.
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Considering Jeopardy's policy at the time, as GS Warehouse said, was that the overage (over $100K) was donated to charity, I seriously doubt the accuracy of your claim.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 11:57 AM\'] And during the 1989-1990 season, if a champ was dethroned, their final total would be seen behind them, but if they'd won over $100,000 (which I recall happened once), the total would flash in front of them. [/quote]
They did that during the sunburst era as well, though I would think it was difficult to display eggcrates on the yellow one. Anyway, one contestant left with about $128K, and since the tote couldn't handle so many digits, Pat stuck a piece of paper with a "1" at the front of the total winnings (in place of the dollar sign).
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 04:27 PM\'] ... Anyway, one contestant left with about $128K, and since the tote couldn't handle so many digits, Pat stuck a piece of paper with a "1" at the front of the total winnings (in place of the dollar sign). [/quote]
Yes, as I remember that happened on the same show Pat explained the $100K+ rule, because that very returning champion actually needed only two days to break $100K. I do believe they switched from sunbursts to arrow-type shapes, but the eggcrate displays were still there. By the time they put up the diamond backdrops, the displays were gone and they chyroned the champion's total.
And Lemon, I have a name, you know. ;-p
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 02:49 PM\'] And Lemon, I have a name, you know. ;-p [/quote]
Hey, some people prefer to not be referenced by their real name, so unless I know the people well enough to be confortable doing it, I'm not gonna. Now I know. :)
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When, and why, did Pat stop spinning the Wheel at the beginning and saying "$1000 is the top dollar value...."
Also, when does the Free Spin space go away? I was thinking it was the 88-89 season, but they are almost to the end of that on GSN (crosses fingers hoping they don't show it again).
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I'm almost positive the free spin space ceased after the 88-89 season. As far as the other question, I don't know when Pat stopped spinning the wheel at the beginning or why, and I don't know when he stopped saying $1000 is the top value, but when he did I would assume it was because $1000 was no longer the top value.
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[quote name=\'bellbm\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 10:01 PM\'] When, and why, did Pat stop spinning the Wheel at the beginning and saying "$1000 is the top dollar value...."
Also, when does the Free Spin space go away? I was thinking it was the 88-89 season, but they are almost to the end of that on GSN (crosses fingers hoping they don't show it again). [/quote]
Pat eliminated that spiel around 1997, when the new puzzleboard arrived. He stopped spinning around 1994-95 (with the big band theme in place).
And the free spin space was eliminated sometime at the end of season 6 (which is the end of the 1988-89 season. I recall this because Pat joked about throwing them around the set, breaking car windows, etc. etc.
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Actually, Pat stopped saying the "$1000 top dollar value for the first round" after the ending of the 17th Season, The Free Spin space was still there during the '89-'90 season as so as Pat's wheel spinning before the game starts but The FS space and Pat's spinning the wheel before the game begins had dropped midway through its 7th Season, and when they went on to its 8th Season, on the daytime version in late 1990, they still letting the contestant get the free spin and picking up the prize wedge before picking a consonant but on the nighttime show when the 8th Season of the show debuted, the new rule about picking up the FS and the prize wedge went permanent where you get your free spin token if you pick a correct consonant first and there's only 1 Free Spin shown on the wheel and in Rounds 2 and 4 you can pick up the prize wedge if you pick a correct consonant first so first thing first.
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Whew, boy. That was a long sentence. Four years ago, when I was still in high school, I was taught to use complete sentences. Guess that's not the case anymore.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 09:42 PM\'] Whew, boy. That was a long sentence. Four years ago, when I was still in high school, I was taught to use complete sentences [/quote]
And something called "grammar".
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 11:42 PM\'] Whew, boy. That was a long sentence. [/quote]
Indeed it was. Iris, would you diagram that sentence for us?
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Well, after looking at the wonderful shots on GS Central, I see the Free Spin space on the wheel for the debut of the Bob Goen era of the show. Since that was the summer of 1989, I am assuming that it did not leave by the end of the 1989 season.
Which leads me to a couple of more questions, on the Bob Goen version, when did they get rid of the $50 and $75 spaces? IIR, when it went "home" to NBC, they started having a prize on the wheel for each round. My guess is that NBC gave it a little more of a budget. If they did, why didn't they increase the dollar values on the wheel? I'm pretty sure the $50 and $75 were gone while it was still on CBS.
Does anyone think if Pat would have stayed with the daytime version, that network game shows wouldn't have gone down the toilet?
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ISTR, the $50s and $75 were dumped after a couple months.
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[quote name=\'bellbm\' date=\'Jul 7 2004, 10:37 AM\']Does anyone think if Pat would have stayed with the daytime version, that network game shows wouldn't have gone down the toilet?[/quote]
"Wheel" never was that big a hit on network daytime--even though it was NBC's top-rated daytime show, it was still second to "TPIR" in its time slot (which tells you the state of NBC daytime back then). It became the American institution that it is today when it began the syndicated version--and after Vanna arrived on the show.
And the winds of change were already in the air in daytime TV, as syndication became more prevalent and everyone discovered that the single-issue relationship talk show was cheaper than game shows and delivered more desirable audiences. Those factors alone led to the disappearance of game shows from network daytime more than Pat Sajak cutting back on his "Wheel" workload to devote time to his late-night show on CBS.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jul 7 2004, 01:42 PM\'] ISTR, the $50s and $75 were dumped after a couple months. [/quote]
Yeah, I personally didn't like those spaces especially where there's a diamond at the bottom of those spaces. YUCK!
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Jul 8 2004, 05:09 AM\'] Yeah, I personally didn't like those spaces especially where there's a diamond at the bottom of those spaces. [/quote]
And ya know, I'll bet that's even why they dropped 'em.
(Hmmm...I need a "rolls eyes" emoticon.)
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Jul 8 2004, 04:09 AM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jul 7 2004, 01:42 PM\'] ISTR, the $50s and $75 were dumped after a couple months. [/quote]
Yeah, I personally didn't like those spaces especially where there's a diamond at the bottom of those spaces. YUCK! [/quote]
Perhaps they should have had a ruby, then.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg spouted thusly:\']Yeah, I personally didn't like those spaces especially where there's a diamond at the bottom of those spaces. YUCK![/quote]
Well, they were sans diamond for one day. If it's that big a deal, feel free to throw your TV out the window.
Am I the only person who thought that the Goen wheel values are actually on-par with how easy a game it is? I know the $5,000 space is neat, but for crying out loud...$10,000 for solving some word puzzles....
(Wait for it...)
GEEZ!
-Travis