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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Card Shark on July 02, 2004, 10:15:27 PM
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The opening sequence of the 1978 version was pre-taped and used at the beginning of each show. My quesion regarding the opening has to do with the theme music. Was the theme music played from the video tape that contained the opening shots or was it magically synched from the audio tracks in the studio to go with the opening shots? I hope I worded this clearly. I have been on and off of airplanes all day, so my head isn't too clear (like it ever is!).
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Well, they already had this down when "Double Dare" aired, since it had the same opening (different musical part but the same four part flashing open).
I assume the video was synched to audio.
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It seems to me like those shots of the CS neon sign look like they're taken from different camera angles. Was it possible to show the same shot in all four "squares" or not?
ObGameShowsWithTheSameTheme: I never saw Double Dare.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jul 2 2004, 08:44 PM\'] It seems to me like those shots of the CS neon sign look like they're taken from different camera angles. Was it possible to show the same shot in all four "squares" or not?
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You may rest assured they didn't use four cameras to set that up. They shot the board ONE time, and the rest was done with effects boxes.
[quote name=\'"Card Shark\' date=\' Jul 2 2004, 07:15 PM"\']Was the theme music played from the video tape that contained the opening shots [/quote]
There is no "magic" going on in a TV studio. I'm sure the main theme came off of that tape. Wood's read of the opening poem was prolly done live, tho.
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I can tell the diffrence between the openning to CS to that of the original DD with Alex Trebek though I haven't seen that show in years.
The effect of the CS logo on 4 squares is an example of what I call a "double-split" effect. In this case, instead of the screen being spit into 2 parts, it was split into 4 parts, hence the 4 CS logos.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Jul 3 2004, 02:00 AM\'] The effect of the CS logo on 4 squares is an example of what I call a "double-split" effect. In this case, instead of the screen being spit into 2 parts, it was split into 4 parts, hence the 4 CS logos. [/quote]
Thank you for that analysis. Wow.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 3 2004, 04:20 AM\']
There is no "magic" going on in a TV studio. [/quote]
Wow, ain't that the truth. I worked in television as a camera man for three months (in a small short step above public access cable station) and can attest to your post. There's no magic in being yelled at by some shmuck of a director as to how incorrect the angle is.
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If anyone has a tape of the special "50 Years at Television City" from
May, 2002, that has a clip from the opening of "Double Dare".....
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The effect of the CS logo on 4 squares is an example of what I call a "double-split" effect. In this case, instead of the screen being spit into 2 parts, it was split into 4 parts, hence the 4 CS logos.
Close...it's actually called a "quad split". It's an effect which can be done through the switcher, a DVE and videotape.
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Well, I knew it was a switcher effect.....problem is......it's been years since I've been in college......and I didn't end up in broadcasting..........
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Close...it's actually called a "quad split". It's an effect which can be done through the switcher, a DVE and videotape.
And besides Perry CS, it was also used for the opening of The New Treasure Hunt after its 1st season, as well as the 80s revival.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 02:07 PM\'] Close...it's actually called a "quad split". It's an effect which can be done through the switcher, a DVE and videotape. [/quote]
Switcher and tape, yes, but did they even have DVE boxes in 1978? Blockbusters in 1980 was the first thing I remember that definitely used one (the board squeezing down to bottom center and back out). Face The Music's "flip" intro may have been done with a DVE too, hence no budget for anything else on the show.
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[quote name=\'mystery7\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 05:42 PM\'] Face The Music's "flip" intro may have been done with a DVE too, hence no budget for anything else on the show. [/quote]
You'd also need it to do some of the transitions between the Famous Faces in the first round of FTM, too.
On just a switcher, you're gonna have a plethora of wipe patterns, some fades, and a keyer. Now, I'm thinking a clever editor could put together the CS open in a few passes just using the horizontal and vertical wipes, but it would be irritating and to my mind not worth the trouble. So I'm guessing a DVE is involved in there, which would make it a one-shot deal.
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I imagine those syndie Match Game promos famous for switching the celeb's faces around were done with DVE as well?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 10:28 PM\'] I imagine those syndie Match Game promos famous for switching the celeb's faces around were done with DVE as well? [/quote]
Doubtful. Remember, MG was mostly done before DVEs were commonplace, and CBS was pretty ol' skool equipment-wise 'til about 1984 when they totally rebuit Television City. The "faces" effect was done by a switcher keying three separate camera shots on top of each other. The '90 version was definitely DVE'd.
And for the answer to your next question, the different shots of each star on the "spinner" at the open and close of MG were executed simply by well-timed cuts from one camera to another. The shots were chroma-keyed over the blue surfaces on the spinner.
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[quote name=\'mystery7\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 07:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jul 5 2004, 02:07 PM\'] Close...it's actually called a "quad split". It's an effect which can be done through the switcher, a DVE and videotape. [/quote]
Switcher and tape, yes, but did they even have DVE boxes in 1978? Blockbusters in 1980 was the first thing I remember that definitely used one (the board squeezing down to bottom center and back out). Face The Music's "flip" intro may have been done with a DVE too, hence no budget for anything else on the show.[/quote]
DVEs first came out in 1977, but I don't recall the entertainment studios at the networks getting them until a few years later. My guess is that the "CS" opening was Quad Sync.
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From what I read, ABC had the first, if not one of the earliest, Quantel boxes back in 1976. I don't want to say right off the bat that "Feud" used it for Fast Money, though, since they could have used a rectangle transition and positioned it over the other side of the board.
>> Face The Music's "flip" intro may have been done with a DVE too, hence no budget for anything else on the show.
The flip effect can probably be done as a regular transition on a switcher, but I'm not 100% sure. In addition, I'd think that if there was a DVE box anywhere at KTLA or KTTV, it was in their news studio. As for the lack of budget, I'd blame it on the "Sandy Frank Presents" animation at the beginning...:) Those old-school computer graphics had to have cost big bucks back then.
>> I imagine those syndie Match Game promos famous for switching the celeb's faces around were done with DVE as well?
Nope. They just stopped in the middle of a diamond transition [similar to the one seen in the CS 78 opening] so that we just saw the other celebrity's mouth.
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 12:26 PM\'] The flip effect can probably be done as a regular transition on a switcher, but I'm not 100% sure. [/quote]
There is probably a wipe that looks LIKE a flip on most switchers, but anything that would move the image along with the transition is going to be a DVE, whether it's built into the switcher or is in its own box.
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I like to think I know alot about TV...I did take a production class in high school, which is why I can understand the jargon going on here...but I don't remember the term "DVE"...
For the clinically uninformed....What the hell is a DVE and what does it do?
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DVE: Digital V ideo Effects. It's the thing that flips, flops, and flies the boxes around on your screen, among myriad other things.
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[quote name=\'mystery7\' date=\'Jul 6 2004, 04:28 PM\'] DVE: Digital V ideo Effects. It's the thing that flips, flops, and flies the boxes around on your screen, among myriad other things. [/quote]
Okay....Now I understand....
I guess I never learned what that was because we never had something like that in our class....I guess you don't see the REAL fun toys until you start paying for stuff like College, lol
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Double Dare Open on You Tube (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhl5OJYtcQ&search=double%20dare\")
Has anyone ever noticed that at the 0:21 point in the video (when they dissolve from video to the studio) the sign on the right changes from "Double" flush right and "Dare" flush left to both words being centered?
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'125927\' date=\'Aug 1 2006, 01:37 PM\']
Has anyone ever noticed that at the 0:21 point in the video (when they dissolve from video to the studio) the sign on the right changes from "Double" flush right and "Dare" flush left to both words being centered?
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Uh, no, it doesn't.
And congratulations on opening a two-year old thread with an irrelevant contribution. Enjoy your Prize.
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The first DVE units at NBC were installed for Real People, well into the run of Card Sharks. I believe studio 4 was first.
The cheap-ass Card Sharks opening looks like something Paul Alter threw together as an afterthought. During the week of rehearsals for Mindreaders, Paul spent two days fumbling around with an opening where the members of each team were supposed to scowl at the members of the opposing team. On Wednesday Goodson returned from Bill Todman's funeral with Marc Breslow in tow, and by Wednesday evening a completely different opening had been whipped into shape.