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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Shredder on May 30, 2004, 06:54:57 PM
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I missed the PRess Your Luck Scandal, so I can't judge on how good or bad it was, but is there any surviving footage on other old game shows like Hollywood Squares or Match Game? As in behind the scenes footage or on set interviews?
If so, maby these can be cobled together for more documentaries...
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[quote name=\'Shredder\' date=\'May 30 2004, 03:54 PM\'] I missed the PRess Your Luck Scandal, so I can't judge on how good or bad it was, but is there any surviving footage on other old game shows like Hollywood Squares or Match Game? As in behind the scenes footage or on set interviews?
If so, maby these can be cobled together for more documentaries... [/quote]
Please to be explaining to me what notable event happened on MG or Hollywood Squares to merit a documentary.
We already have the E!THS, and it already sucks. Do we really need another one?
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Maybe we can have docs about MG and Squares without the dirt that the E! docs are famous for.
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'May 30 2004, 07:32 PM\'] Maybe we can have docs about MG and Squares without the dirt that the E! docs are famous for. [/quote]
I'm still waiting. What's interesting? WHat's worth documentarizing?
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"Next on the GSN True Television City Story... Scrabble !"
Snarky Announcer: "Heh ! Then in 1986, controversy raged though the network ranks when Scrabble announced they were going to create a Bonus Sprint round for $5000. The crew voiced concern"
Jan Heinger: "This ment I had to write more clues, which also ment more ways for Chuck to insult me" (Begins to cry)
Snarky Announcer: Behind the happy-go-lucky scenes, raged a fierce rivalry between Chuck Woolery and Jan Heinger began to rage out of control.
Comming up on the GSNTTCS... Has Chuck Woolery gone too far ?
Jan Heinger: "... then one day, Chuck said on camera that one of my clues was stupid" That sick man will pay for this !"
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 30 2004, 11:12 PM\'] [quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'May 30 2004, 07:32 PM\'] Maybe we can have docs about MG and Squares without the dirt that the E! docs are famous for. [/quote]
I'm still waiting. What's interesting? WHat's worth documentarizing? [/quote]
Yeah, you take away the "dirt" and you've taken away anything remotely worth documentarizing.
Did you really think they were going to do a documentary about HS and not mention Paul Lynde's drinking or Rose Marie's flower addiction? Or a MG doc and not have anything about Richard Dawson's smile embargo? It would all be about game play? Ugh, hell, I wouldn't even watch.
And, JRaygor, good stuff. Very funny!
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Next on the "Wheel of Fortune" True Hollywood Story!...a sad story of racism...or is it spaceism?
BANKRUPT space:
Man, I've gotten flack since day one! The other wheel spaces always hated me, and it's all because I'm black! Why do you think there's no longer a $1500 space? That little (bleep) wanted out of the show, and always hated being next to me...couldn't handle what it could do for his "image" as a prize space.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 31 2004, 01:34 AM\'] Next on the "Wheel of Fortune" True Hollywood Story!...a sad story of racism...or is it spaceism?
BANKRUPT space:
Man, I've gotten flack since day one! The other wheel spaces always hated me, and it's all because I'm black! Why do you think there's no longer a $1500 space? That little (bleep) wanted out of the show, and always hated being next to me...couldn't handle what it could do for his "image" as a prize space. [/quote]
That black "Bankrupt" space may have gotten rid of that $1500 space, but in rounds 2 & 3, it has to be next to the $3500 space. Spaceism eh? Sounds like a made up word to me.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:31 AM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 31 2004, 01:34 AM\'] Next on the "Wheel of Fortune" True Hollywood Story!...a sad story of racism...or is it spaceism?
BANKRUPT space:
Man, I've gotten flack since day one! The other wheel spaces always hated me, and it's all because I'm black! Why do you think there's no longer a $1500 space? That little (bleep) wanted out of the show, and always hated being next to me...couldn't handle what it could do for his "image" as a prize space. [/quote]
That black "Bankrupt" space may have gotten rid of that $1500 space, but in rounds 2 & 3, it has to be next to the $3500 space. Spaceism eh? Sounds like a made up word to me. [/quote]
And from your posts, you probably would remove Italian people from the show as well. When will you get a clue?
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I think a good documentary would be the fall of the daytime game show.
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Before American TV became full of people bitching about each other and their jobs, there were some awesome game show documentaries. Most were actually mostly about the shows and less about who hates who. First to mind...
A great "Making of LMAD" with some very cool backstage studio footage, warm-up footage, and even a writing session at the Hatos-Hall offices at 6430 Sunset. Memorable moment: Jay Stewart reading prize copy while the wardrobe mistress is dressing him in one of those wacky costumes he wore in some of the "Zonks".
A similar making of TTTT (by a different name) that Bricon and I were just discussing on Saturday. Memorable moment: Garry Moore fiendishly sucking on a cigarette backstage for his last hit of nicotine as Bill Wendell is introducing him at the top of the show.
The PBS doc on "21" and the scandals with Bob Boden's name in the credits.
And the more recent BBC doc entitled "Annie Goes to Hollywood" that includes lots of Anne Robinson in the US "Weakest Link" studio, dressing room and at an endless on-camera session to produce a promo. Oh, and that one includes a little of the fabulous warm-up guy working the studio audience ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:31 AM\']That black "Bankrupt" space may have gotten rid of that $1500 space, but in rounds 2 & 3, it has to be next to the $3500 space. [/quote]
CS 01 WHOOSH!
You misread my joke in so many ways, it's ridiculous.
Re-read it, and you will see that my joke was implying that the $1,500 was the one who wanted to get off the show. And I really appreciate how you interrupt my joke to point out some pointless little tidbit...why I'm actually breaking down such a joke is beyond me.
Spaceism eh? Sounds like a made up word to me.
Nooooo, what gave you THAT impression?
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Here's another one you might be interested in from the on-line store at the A&E website. I saw this program when it aired as an A&E Biography episode some time ago.
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.j...atid=&subcatid= (http://\"http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=17679&browseCategoryId=&location=&parentcatid=&subcatid=\")
They also have a VHS video of a Biography episode featuring Bob Barker's one-time boss, the late Mark Goodson, that you might find interesting as well.
Michael Brandenburg
(Yes, Mark Goodson, who no doubt influenced that Gottlieb pinball machine creation of 1951, "Watch My Line," that has just turned up as a computerized re-creation on the IRPinball website. I'll have to download it and check it out.)
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Okay, shameless plug here....
I produced and hosted a doc behind the scenes at the J! College Championships at Yale last fall.... aired in prime time and did much better ratings than regular programming...(of course, we preempted ABC programming, which is to say the show did better than color bars!)
Thanks to a station that supports local programming, I flew to LA to go behind the scenes, then spent countless hours with the J! crew at Yale as they found contestants, built the set, and played the games....heck, I even got to show the lighter side of Alex Trebek...
Good stuff, worked with great people on the staff from Harry on down, even got me a local Emmy nomination...
So yes, GS Doc's are rare, but they happen...and there is an audience for them, IF AND ONLY IF you find an audience that wants to see them. J! does boffo numbers for our station..... demand for tix to the tapings was tremendous....ratings for the doc were high... And i'm grateful for the opportunity!
I know we don't talk about tape trading here, but it is available on 'the circuit'.
Matt
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I didn't mean to imply (or flat out say) that serious documentaries covering game shows can't be done. I loved "Big Bucks" and the episode of "The American Experience" on PBS covering the game show scandal is just great television.
It's just that for the two game shows mentioned (HS and MG) "the train has sailed" for a making of documentary and any such "making of" piece made in the 70s featuring these shows would be merely a curiousity.
Still, I'd love to see well made documentaries covering this subject.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 31 2004, 11:00 AM\'] And I really appreciate how you interrupt my joke to point out some pointless little tidbit...why I'm actually breaking down such a joke is beyond me.
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Here, I'll get the joke back on track.
Snarky Announcer: Shortly after the $1500 space left, the Bankrupt began turning to booze to cover his depression.
Morale on the Wheel began to spial out of control. Rumors begain to pop-up that the $150 wedge and the $350 wedge were in a sexual relationshop with each other.
$500 Wedge: The two seemed to really enjoy being next to each other. Which really steemed me, because me and 1/2 the other wedges have been single since 1975.
Eventually, for the good of the show's family image, the $150 wedge decided to leave the show. $150 could not be reached for comment, but contacts tell us that $150 is currently residing in a villa in London with a new girlfriend. (Possibly the UK 350 space)
$350 space: It was really making everyone jellious, we decided to talk about one of us leaving, but $150 insisted I should say. I do not get paid as much and bills pile up all the time. I think the in-crowd doesn't like us wedges that end in "$X50"
Then reports came out that the Lose a Turn had gotten cosmetic surgery behind everyone's back. It be came obvious when the yellow wedge somehow became white.
Lose a Turn: I really need to reinvent myself, it was like becoming a new person.
$250 Wedge: We didn't know how to handle it, so we just ignored the new look.
Things went from bad to worse as time wore on.
Red $900 Wedge: Me and my brother, Orange $900 Wedge, have considered leaving the show to start a band. We feel working on "Wheel of Fortune" has stiffled out creativity.
$550 wedge: I just can't stand being around $400, he's such a jerk.
$200 wedge: I hate spening getting spun all day long, I get so dizzy that I just want to puke all over.
Then one day, the $200 wedge, after spening many hours with the Bankrupt Wedge in the bar, the $200 wedge vomited after being spun one too many times.
Taping had to be stopped cleaning up the mess, which cost the studio thousands of dollars in damage. The impact of the vomit forced four of the $300 Wedge Sisters to temporarly leave the show for cleaning, costing thousands more. The $200 wedge was subsequencly fired for his misconduct.
$200 wedge: I am now in $230,000 in debt and living in a Cardboard Box outside Television City. Life is rough, but it's better than the cesspool of a job I had before !
Comming up on the GSN True Television City Story: Backstage mistreatment begins to get personal
$600 Wedge (With lawyer): It was like they were gunning for me, I had to do something to get back at them...
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Or an MG doc and not have anything about Richard Dawson's smile embargo? It would all be about game play? Ugh, hell, I wouldn't even watch.
Well, there is Charles' on-air 'attempt' to oust Brett and replace her with (fill in name of 50s female game show panelist here) during the 1980-81 season. Anyone wanna bet that everyone on MG BUT CNR thought it was a 'running gag?' He also tried to pull the same deal on Geno, too.
If you ask me, CNR had no mercy whatsoever!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Carol Wayne of the Big Board!'
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'May 31 2004, 08:04 AM\'] [quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:31 AM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 31 2004, 01:34 AM\'] Next on the "Wheel of Fortune" True Hollywood Story!...a sad story of racism...or is it spaceism?
BANKRUPT space:
Man, I've gotten flack since day one! The other wheel spaces always hated me, and it's all because I'm black! Why do you think there's no longer a $1500 space? That little (bleep) wanted out of the show, and always hated being next to me...couldn't handle what it could do for his "image" as a prize space. [/quote]
That black "Bankrupt" space may have gotten rid of that $1500 space, but in rounds 2 & 3, it has to be next to the $3500 space. Spaceism eh? Sounds like a made up word to me. [/quote]
And from your posts, you probably would remove Italian people from the show as well. When will you get a clue? [/quote]
Hopefully soon! :D
The E!THS about TPIR and Family Feud were both ok, I don't see how they sucked, but to each his own!
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The June, 1976 TTTT documentary that Randy was talking about earlier is titled "The Whole Truth" (The Making of To Tell the Truth).
It's really more of a close up on the job of director Lloyd Gross, as he battles his ridiculously tight production schedule, but it **is** interesting viewing. There are a lot of interesting backstage shots, and part of Bill Wendall's warmup is featured at the beginning of the piece.
-Kevin
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Randy --
That isn't the LMaD documentary that was released on video around 1990 is it? Or am I remembering something completely different?
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[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'May 31 2004, 09:08 PM\'] That isn't the LMaD documentary that was released on video around 1990 is it? Or am I remembering something completely different? [/quote]
Not sure without "spooling it", as Variety would say. But it must have been way before 1990. The backstage shots are from the studio at ABC Prospect, and the writing/office footage is from when Hatos Hall was at 6430 Sunset. As it all seemed to be presented in the context of "present tense" it had to be from way earlier than 1990.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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The June, 1976 TTTT documentary that Randy was talking about earlier is titled "The Whole Truth" (The Making of To Tell the Truth).
It's really more of a close up on the job of director Lloyd Gross, as he battles his ridiculously tight production schedule, but it **is** interesting viewing. There are a lot of interesting backstage shots, and part of Bill Wendall's warmup is featured at the beginning of the piece.
This one I'm sure I've never seen. Is it available "in the curcuit"?
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 12:29 AM\'][quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'May 31 2004, 09:08 PM\'] That isn't the LMaD documentary that was released on video around 1990 is it? Or am I remembering something completely different? [/quote]
Not sure without "spooling it", as Variety would say. But it must have been way before 1990. The backstage shots are from the studio at ABC Prospect, and the writing/office footage is from when Hatos Hall was at 6430 Sunset. As it all seemed to be presented in the context of "present tense" it had to be from way earlier than 1990.[/quote]
I think you misunderstood, Randy. He's not asking if the video was shot in 1990 but if the video, released around 1990, was a transfer of the earlier filmed documentary.
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Ian:
Not widely, if it's in the circuit at all.
-Kevin
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 07:17 AM\'] I think you misunderstood, Randy. He's not asking if the video was shot in 1990 but if the video, released around 1990, was a transfer of the earlier filmed documentary. [/quote]
I spooled. It was produced during LMAD's 1975-1976 TV season; editing was finished and the show was copyright 1977. I have no clue if it was ever commercially distributed or released on video.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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I have that docu. It's called "Deal" It was released by Burbank Video. I bought it at a K-Mart in Toledo, OH in 1990 for ten bucks. Some of the footage was shown on the Carl Reiner gs special in 1984.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 10:55 AM\'] I have that docu. It's called "Deal" It was released by Burbank Video. I bought it at a K-Mart in Toledo, OH in 1990 for ten bucks. Some of the footage was shown on the Carl Reiner gs special in 1984. [/quote]
You sure? "Burbank Video" appears no where in the credits on mine. The running time is 1:34:00. Is yours similar?
Randy
tvrandywest.com