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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: mctoyboy on May 27, 2004, 03:43:09 PM
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Thought some of you might be interested =)
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Only 6 Episodes? Eh, Why can't they put a show on monday that has over 10 episodes? But, I liked World Series of Blackjack, so hopefully I'd like this.
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They should have gotten Jack Black, if nothing more than to have fun with his name and the game.....:)
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Jokers????
Stealing cards???
Secret Wagers????
Oooookay......Is this still blackjack, or are they piloting ideas for the future?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 27 2004, 03:05 PM\'] Jokers????
Stealing cards???
Secret Wagers????
Oooookay......Is this still blackjack, or are they piloting ideas for the future? [/quote]
No, this is closer to a game show than it is real Vegas blackjack.
Which means I don't want to hear a ONE of you complaining. It sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, in fact.
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Actually, I like the idea of the jokers. It does add a little bit of luck, of course, but it also adds some strategy, depending on what the specific rules are using them. If you can use it for any non-busted, non-blackjack hand, you could use it offensively to give yourself a 21, or defensively to ruin someone else's non-blackjack 21 (I have a feeling blackjacks are going to be immune from stealing, if only to prevent someone from being paid 3 to 2 and then have a card stolen from it and having to return the money). We'll see how the jokers work, and how that twist changes the game.
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My first thought is that they actually did a decent job with celebs... most of them I recognize! Kudos to GSN.
Ryan :)
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No, this is closer to a game show than it is real Vegas blackjack.
Which means I don't want to hear a ONE of you complaining. It sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, in fact.
Yeah, def...might be even better than Celebrity Poker Showdown (whose new series, BTW, just premiered tonight [5/27] at 9 EST).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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My first thought is that they actually did a decent job with celebs... most of them I recognize! Kudos to GSN.
Exactly! There's maybe 3 or 4 I've never head of, but that's it.
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The only one I know nothing of is Marissa Jaret Winokur... ?
Two thoughts:
* "Hollywood Dave" as dealer could be very painful. A shame they didn't pony up some cash to brink Tiki along for the ride.
* I figured any network worth its salt in self-promotion would've at least invited Chuck Woolery to play.
Looks like this debuts the week following the World Poker Tour Season Finale, so excellent timing. however, in weirdo Indiana Summer time, it's directly opposite FOX's "The Casino" at 9, so the TiVo will catch it at midnight.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' date=\'May 27 2004, 05:54 PM\'] Actually, I like the idea of the jokers. It does add a little bit of luck, of course, but it also adds some strategy, depending on what the specific rules are using them. If you can use it for any non-busted, non-blackjack hand, you could use it offensively to give yourself a 21, or defensively to ruin someone else's non-blackjack 21 (I have a feeling blackjacks are going to be immune from stealing, if only to prevent someone from being paid 3 to 2 and then have a card stolen from it and having to return the money). We'll see how the jokers work, and how that twist changes the game. [/quote]
I'm wondering how the rules concerning a joker will work if either (1) the dealer gets it, or (2) somebody gets it on a double down card.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' date=\'May 28 2004, 07:46 AM\'] The only one I know nothing of is Marissa Jaret Winokur... ?
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Heavy-set actress who gained acclaim as the star of the Broadway version of Hairspray.
This is a surprisingly B+ list of stars participating in GSN's little shindig, every bit as impressive as the latest go-round of Celebrity Poker Showdown and by far the most powerful celebrity lsit ever put together for a GSN original. I'm mightily impressed.
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Regarding Chuck Donegan's post in this thread, I did watch some of the Celebrity Poker Showdown last night on the Bravo cable channel and thought it was quite good, even though I'm not into their game of Texas Hold'em.
Although this "Celebrity Blackjack" game seems to be interesting enough, my own suggestion would be to simply have the players play "Pontoon," a variant of the casino blackjack game that would seem to require as much in the way of skill and judgement as Texas Hold'em Poker does. Here's how it is played:
1. One dealer is selected from among the players. (There is no permanent dealer in this game as there is with the casino game.)
2. Only one deck of cards is used, which is dealt from the hand. The deck is shuffled, cut, and then the first card is shown to all of the players and then placed face up ("burned") at the bottom of the deck to indicate the end of the deal.
3. The players place their bets, and then the dealer deals one card face down to each player and to himself. He then deals a second card face up to each player and also to himself.
4. If the dealer gets a blackjack hand, he immediately collects twice the amount each player bet against him unless a player ties him with a blackjack, in which case he collects only the amount of that player's bet. The play of that hand is then over and the same dealer deals the next hand.
5. If the dealer does not have blackjack and any of the other players do, each one collects twice the amount of his bet from the dealer (instead of the 3 to 2 payoff in the casino game). In addition, the first such player to the dealer's left becomes the dealer for the next deal (after the play of the current hand is completed.)
6. After all blackjack hands are paid off, the remaining players "hit" or "stand" on their hands as in the casino game. The additional "hit" cards are dealt face up, but each player must keep one card "in the hole," as in 5-Card Stud Poker.
7. A player may split a hand consisting of a pair (such as two 6s) as in the casino game; in this case, he turns his second card face up, puts an amount equal to his original bet on his second card, and the dealer deals a new "hole card" to each card of the split pair. The resuting hands are then played as usual.
8. A player may "double down" after receiving his first two cards; in this case, he turns up his "hole card," doubles his bet, receives a new "hole card" from the dealer, and must stand on the resulting total.
9. A player getting a "21" total consisting of three 7s is paid off at 3 to 1. A player getting a "21" total consisting of a 6, a 7, and an 8 is paid off at 2 to 1. A player getting a 5-card hand totalling 21 or less is paid off at 2 to 1. A player who "busts" by receiving a "hit" card that makes his hand worth 22 or higher must turn up his "hole card" to confirm the losing total and then surrender both his hand and bet to the dealer.
10. If any players remain in the game after the last player has completed play of his hand, the dealer must play his hand. To do this, he turns up his own "hole card" and then "hits" or "stands" on his hand as he wishes. (He may "hit" or "stand" on any total; he is not bound by the traditional "must hit to 16 and stand on 17" rule of the traditional casino game.)
11. If the dealer "busts," he pays off all of the players remaining in the game at even money.
12. If the dealer "stands" on any total of 21 or less, the remaining players all face their "hole cards" and the dealer pays off (at even money) all hands that have a higher total than his and collects the bets from all players whose hands are equal to or less than the dealer's total. (In other words, "ties pay the dealer" in this game, whereas a tie is a standoff in the casino game.)
13. If the dealer did not pay off a blackjack hand during the play of the hand (rule #5), he deals the next hand as above. Otherwise, he passes the cards to the new dealer, who reshuffles the deck, has it cut, and then "burns" the first card before dealing his first hand. (Of course, if the dealer runs out of undealt cards during the play of a hand, then he must reshuffle all cards from previous hands that are not being held by the players in the current hand, have the deck cut by another player, and then "burn" the first card of the reshuffled deck before continuing.)
Let's see if this version shows up on GSN at any time in the future.
Michael Brandenburg
(and I have another zany idea for them, too, but that's for another post.)
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A shame they didn't pony up some cash to brink Tiki along for the ride.
Is she some actress who demands a high price? I must've missed something...I was under the impression she was just a Mohegan Sun dealer. At any rate, picking anybody besides Dave Stann seems like a good bet here. It'll be an ultimate ham war on at least some of these shows.
-Jason
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I think they were saying GSN was cheap =)
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' date=\'May 28 2004, 04:46 AM\'] * "Hollywood Dave" as dealer could be very painful. A shame they didn't pony up some cash to brink Tiki along for the ride.
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I agree that Tiki is a delightful young lady, but I'm thinking with the game-showy elements that they are bringing to this show, Stann might be an entertaining adversary. Besides, he's such a jackass that it'll make it that much more satisfying to watch the celebs beat him.
[quote name=\'Michael Brandenburg\' date=\' May 28 2004, 06:03 AM\']Although this "Celebrity Blackjack" game seems to be interesting enough, my own suggestion would be to simply have the players play "Pontoon," a variant of the casino blackjack game that would seem to require as much in the way of skill and judgement as Texas Hold'em Poker does. [/quote]
I love how you preface that with "simply", and then follow with a 13-step explanation of the rules, which could have been boiled down to: dealer rotates among the players and wins all pushes, dealer is allowed to hit and stand at their whim, blackjack pays at 2-1, even to the dealer, five-card-under pays 2-1 to non-dealers, and goofy-ass novelty 21s pay off at goofy-ass novelty odds.
And comparing a dealer playing their own blackjack hand to Hold 'Em is an insult to poker.
(Long-winded explanation of the rules deleted)
Let's see if this version shows up on GSN at any time in the future.
Pardon me while I don't hold my breath.
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\' May 28 2004, 06:14 AM\']It'll be an ultimate ham war on at least some of these shows.[/quote]
I still fail to see why this would be a bad thing. Did anyone watch Wanda Sykes take apart Jerome Bettis last night on Celebrity Poker? He gave as good as he got, and it was good TV.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 28 2004, 11:49 AM\'] Did anyone watch Wanda Sykes take apart Jerome Bettis last night on Celebrity Poker? He gave as good as he got, and it was good TV. [/quote]
I'm not a particularly big fan of either one of them individually, but I would pay cash money to see a Wanda Sykes-Travis Tritt tour like they were joking about all night.
Speaking of "all night", these two-hour shows do tend to go on and on, don't they? Personally, I love it because I love to see the interaction. But I can see some people complaining about the length.
Cheap programming, though!
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' date=\'May 27 2004, 06:30 PM\'] My first thought is that they actually did a decent job with celebs... most of them I recognize! Kudos to GSN.
Ryan :) [/quote]
And from me too...though for a more specific reason, which I've annoyed just about everyone with the past few months. My "quest" is completed (albeit on a different show), you happy now????
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Every once in a while, I look through my Encyclopedia of Card Games for something good, and I stop and look at Pontoon. And every single time, I think to myself, why would you play this instead of playing straight blackjack? Everyone knows how to play blackjack, you don't have to learn any new rules. Michael, I suspect you simply like to see whatever you typed show up on screen, and it's really annoying.
As to Celebrity Blackjack, they could have simply said, "we're just going to let celebrities play 21, and see what happens." That would have been hugely boring. A rare compliment to GSN for taking an idea while it's hot, and tweaking it to make it palatable. Hope to see more of same, guys.
-Travis