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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jamey Greek on May 24, 2004, 11:31:12 PM
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Here are a list of Unsold Pilots that have been hardly mentioned in the Game Show Community.
1. Banko 1986 pilot with Wink Martindale produced by Dan Enright
TV Guide refers to it in their 1986 "Fall Preview" issue as Jackpot Bingo
2. Puzzlers 1980 Pilot hosted by Pat Sajak pre-WOF (see below)
3. Press Your Luck 1970s Pilot (not the PYL we all know and love but the 1978 PYL Pilot based on the game simon produced by Ralph Edwards
4. Spellbinders 1978 Pilot hosted by Bill Anderson
and there may be more
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' date=\'May 24 2004, 10:31 PM\'] Here are a list of Unsold Pilots that have been hardly mentioned in the Game Show Community.
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There's a reason they are left unmentioned.
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...and a few of us cringe over reminders of formats we sent producers who went ahead and developed them without acknowledging or contacting those who sent them..
It's the business, but one of the less nice parts of it....
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There was an article in the mid-70's in one of the soap opera mags (back when they used to have feature stories on game shows) about the pilot process. They had pictures and info on a show which was to have been hosted by Julius LaRosa (of Arthur Godfrey fame) called "Noot's Game." How the game was played I don't know.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'May 24 2004, 11:57 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' date=\'May 24 2004, 10:31 PM\'] Here are a list of Unsold Pilots that have been hardly mentioned in the Game Show Community.
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There's a reason they are left unmentioned. [/quote]
Six words for you: How Do You Like Your Eggs?
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'May 24 2004, 11:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'May 24 2004, 11:57 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' date=\'May 24 2004, 10:31 PM\'] Here are a list of Unsold Pilots that have been hardly mentioned in the Game Show Community.
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There's a reason they are left unmentioned. [/quote]
Six words for you: How Do You Like Your Eggs? [/quote]
2 of them, sunny side up, runny yolk; with wheat toast, and a side of bacon. ;)
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Was the 70's PYL pilot a direct(or indirect) descendant of the 1977 show Second Chances or merely an offshoot of sorts?
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 25 2004, 02:18 AM\'] Was the 70's PYL pilot a direct(or indirect) descendant of the 1977 show Second Chances or merely an offshoot of sorts? [/quote]
Did you even freakin' read what Greek originally posted?
(Yeah, it makes my head hurt too, but I muddle through.)
No, it has NOTHING to do with the PYL you know, he said it was based on the electronic game "Simon".
Oh, and...
GEEZ!!!
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Did you even freakin' read what Greek originally posted?
I guess it was Greek to him. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Comedic "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'May 25 2004, 11:53 AM\']
Did you even freakin' read what Greek originally posted?
I guess it was Greek to him. :-) [/quote]
[throws bottles of Thousand Island dressing at Chuck]
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"What's the Name of That Song?" - Allen Ludden
-Kevin
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[quote name=\'TwoInchQuad\' date=\'May 25 2004, 11:34 AM\']"What's the Name of That Song?" - Allen Ludden[/quote]
Well, that did make it as "Win With the Stars"--if you want to call supermarket tie-ins making it.
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...and IIRC, our area Win With The Stars tied in with a gas station chain. Crystal Flash, I think.
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FWIW, I witnessed the taping of WinAmerica. The game was a duplicate of the quiz game from Pitfall. The winner would then pull a random number which would determine the winner of a national lottery. Kind of a non sequitur of a bonus round.
I also remember seeing The Name Game hosted by Bob Eubanks. Two teams; each celebrity-peasant. One player of each team would compete to guess a famous name as it appeared one letter at a time. The winner would then have to describe that famous person to the partner within the time limit. The audience would then shout out answers to guessed by the winning team during the bonus round. The problem here was the audience kept shouting out the same names for both times the bonus game was played.
Predictable Pairs was a variant of To Tell the Truth. The notable thing about the pilot was Sting was a contestant. Bamboozle was also shot on the lot but I didn't witness the taping.
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:53 AM\']
Did you even freakin' read what Greek originally posted?
I guess it was Greek to him. :-)
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Heh...Donegan made a funny. :-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 25 2004, 06:52 PM\'] [quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:53 AM\']
Did you even freakin' read what Greek originally posted?
I guess it was Greek to him. :-)
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Heh...Donegan made a funny. :-) [/quote]
As usual, though, he thought it was much funnier than it actually was.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' date=\'May 25 2004, 05:13 PM\'] I also remember seeing The Name Game hosted by Bob Eubanks. Two teams; each celebrity-peasant. One player of each team would compete to guess a famous name as it appeared one letter at a time. The winner would then have to describe that famous person to the partner within the time limit. The audience would then shout out answers to guessed by the winning team during the bonus round. The problem here was the audience kept shouting out the same names for both times the bonus game was played. [/quote]
Your description of the Name Game bonus seems to be missing a word or two. As it stands, it's clear as mud. :-)
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As usual, though, he thought it was much funnier than it actually was.
Where in the post did I imply that?
Chuck Donegan (The Puzzled "Chuckie Baby")
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I know I might be flamed for this, but if those pilots I had mentioned ever made it as series, would they be remembered? I understand those pilots we remember (i.e $50,000 A Minute, Top Secret etc.) would be, but would those pilots I mentioned, would they be remembered?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' date=\'May 27 2004, 08:13 PM\'] I know I might be flamed for this, but if those pilots I had mentioned ever made it as series, would they be remembered? I understand those pilots we remember (i.e $50,000 A Minute, Top Secret etc.) would be, but would those pilots I mentioned, would they be remembered? [/quote]
Come again?
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What about You Bet your Life with Richard Dawson?
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First off, I'm not even sure what you want, Jamey. "Here's a list of pilots." So-freakin'-what?
The fact that they DIED in the pilot stage means that they didn't get to series. They're not memorable because they weren't even that good.
Give us something to work with, Jamey, and you'll get a conversation.
-Travis
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' date=\'May 25 2004, 05:13 PM\'] Two teams; each celebrity-peasant. [/quote]
No doubt Serf Detergent would have sponsored the series.
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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Back in the golden age of network and syndicated game shows, pilots didn't go to series for a number of reasons:
It didn't sell at NATPE
Packager X has a better show and a long-standing successful track record
Packager Y has a cheaper show that's just as good
Looked good in development but didn't play in the studio (the Mindreaders syndrome)
We're interested in Goodson's revival of (insert name of Goodson show)
We needed to use up our pilot budget for the quarter so we commissioned yet another Bob Stewart pilot even though we didn't like the concept to begin with
The daytime VP is a moron and doesn't recognize quality when he sees it
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We needed to use up our pilot budget for the quarter so we commissioned yet another Bob Stewart pilot even though we didn't like the concept to begin with
So THAT'S why!
-Jason
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'May 25 2004, 12:15 AM\'] ...and a few of us cringe over reminders of formats we sent producers who went ahead and developed them without acknowledging or contacting those who sent them..
It's the business, but one of the less nice parts of it.... [/quote]
I came up with a TV version of "Bingo" when i was about 14, and sent it to the three major networks, complete with main game and bonus round.
Two years later, "Trump Card" debuted. I'm sure it was just coincidence but your comment makes me stop and think about it..
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Two years later, "Trump Card" debuted. I'm sure it was just coincidence but your comment makes me stop and think about it.
It was. The Brit game which "Trump Card" is based on - "Bob's Full House" - premiered in '84 if memory serves.
What if any differences were between your "Bingo" formats and what ended up on TC?
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\'May 28 2004, 08:56 AM\']
What if any differences were between your "Bingo" formats and what ended up on TC?
-Jason [/quote]
It's been so long, I don't know if I kept a copy of the original letter or not, but I know the bonus round was the same premise - get "bingo" and win $10,000. My game was 60 seconds; I believe the show used 45.
However, when you come down to it, it's an idea that really anyone could have thought of - pretty basic game with pretty basic rules....
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Mine was actually titled Banko, and as a number from 1-25 was drawn, players answered toss-up questions for the right to win that numbered box on the board (I'll have to check my old rule sheet at home as I made a box version for myself - I don't remember having a free space). When a player answered correctly, a cash amount or a prize in that square was revealed and put in a "bank" for the first contestant to get 5 in a row. At least two squares were turnabouts, which gave you the chance to pick any space occupied by an opponent's marker and change it to your own if you answered another question correctly. Dan didn't repond right away on it, and since I was sending all kinds of ideas, it probably got set aside in my mind. I later had a conversation with an associate of Dan's, and we were discussing properties that were divided between Dan and Jack's estates, and Banko came up. It didn't ring right then, as isn't there a card game that has a similar sounding name (not the dice game bunco)? I thought it might have been something else. Then I visit a certain personality's webste, and I see the host in front of a podium marked BANKO and holding a bingo-type card with what looked like individual categories. Talk about pissed! A couple of alterations, and it's rolling..at least as a property, if not a launched program. I'm delighted I had his ear and some respect - but obviously not enough. He kept me posted on the progress of a couple of other formats he had an interest in, but not this one.
For what it's worth, it wasn't until I got a copy of the EOTVGS that I found I had redeveloped many of the elements in a program I had never seen - Music Bingo. I thought it was original when I developed it, but it just confirms it's hard to find good game mechanics that haven't been done before. But it's why I will not send anything to anyone these days without having my butt covered legally.
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But it's why I will not send anything to anyone these days without having my butt covered legally.
It's why we discourage posting game ideas here.
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'May 28 2004, 10:00 AM\']Mine was actually titled Banko[/quote]
It seems to me that I recall that the working title of "Jackpot!" was "Bank-O!"--and that when it was picked up by NBC, it was originally announced as having that title. It probably was coincidence here, but it's interesting that Stewart and Lin Bolen decided to change the title--perhaps they thought people shouting "Bank-O!" was too silly (I assume that as envisioned, the opening originally went, "...you'll never know when someone in the game will stand up and yell--BANK-O!"
As if shouting "Jackpot!" or "Super Jackpot!" is real dignified.
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..and that's a good policy. I pasted my story on the board to serve as a precautionary tale for the younger members here (as well as to vent), because I was there, too. I grasped at any straw to get an idea taken, and when someone did it to me the first time, I sez, "yeah, all right - maybe I'll get credit for the next one." Don't let hunger override smarts. A fellow who developed board games once told me that if you create an item, and someone else changes your idea by roughly 25%, the courts will say that's enough of a change to be considered a new or different idea than what it was copied from. Now whether that's gospel or not, it's just a warning that it doesn't take much for a tv producer to add one or two little twists to your original idea to be able to claim it's more his than yours. I know I'm preaching to the choir with many of us here, but I just want to avoid seeing some of our kids get jerked around. Don't stop being creative and having fun - just don't give ideas away for free unless you're willing to let them go. And when money and/or credit is concerned, trust is a tenuous thing.
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I'm not sure I would even attempt to ever contact a well-known packager with an idea. The way I would do it is to get a job with that packager or company first. If a couple of years of fetching coffee is not to your taste, mount the show yourself; why give your ideas to Dan Enright?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 28 2004, 05:42 PM\']I'm not sure I would even attempt to ever contact a well-known packager with an idea. The way I would do it is to get a job with that packager or company first. If a couple of years of fetching coffee is not to your taste, mount the show yourself; why give your ideas to Dan Enright?[/quote]
That would have been a good idea about 20 years ago. Today the U.S. packagers who used to specialize in game shows have sold out to media conglomerates and/or the principals are retired or dead: Goodson-Todman, Heatter-Quigley, Bob Stewart, Hatos-Hall, Chuck Barris, Reg Grundy, etc. In the early '90s before Mark Goodson passed away, he and Jonathan saw the market for their shows virtually collapse. No longer could they sell a show simply by placing a phone call to CBS or NBC, and the networks certainly weren't seeking them out as they did when they bought Blockbusters I to replace Letterman. The networks used to have people whose job it was to develop daytime programming, principally game shows -- no more. Now they would rather import shows which are already successful in other countries (WWTBAM, Weakest Link) for prime time. The U.S. syndication market is more interested in retreads (HS, Pyramid, FF) than new concepts. I doubt even the "next generation" of packagers such as Jay Wolpert even bother with game shows any more. The new GSN is not interested in studio games. MAYBE if you got a position with Fremantle you'd be in a position to pitch ideas but that's no assurance that your show would ever make it to air.
Not very encouraging, is it? ;-)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 30 2004, 01:14 AM\'] That would have been a good idea about 20 years ago. Today the U.S. packagers who used to specialize in game shows have sold out to media conglomerates and/or the principals are retired or dead: Goodson-Todman, Heatter-Quigley, Bob Stewart, Hatos-Hall, Chuck Barris, Reg Grundy, etc. In the early '90s before Mark Goodson passed away, he and Jonathan saw the market for their shows virtually collapse. No longer could they sell a show simply by placing a phone call to CBS or NBC, and the networks certainly weren't seeking them out as they did when they bought Blockbusters I to replace Letterman. The networks used to have people whose job it was to develop daytime programming, principally game shows -- no more. Now they would rather import shows which are already successful in other countries (WWTBAM, Weakest Link) for prime time. The U.S. syndication market is more interested in retreads (HS, Pyramid, FF) than new concepts. I doubt even the "next generation" of packagers such as Jay Wolpert even bother with game shows any more. The new GSN is not interested in studio games. MAYBE if you got a position with Fremantle you'd be in a position to pitch ideas but that's no assurance that your show would ever make it to air.
Not very encouraging, is it? ;-) [/quote]
Woud PAX be a good option? They've picked up a few new ideas over the years (Hollywood Showdown, Dirty Rotten Cheater, On the Cover), and seem to enjoy airing game shows.
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Woud PAX be a good option?
Possibly. I doubt they develop game shows on the scale the three major networks used to.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 30 2004, 01:14 AM\'] Today the U.S. packagers who used to specialize in game shows have sold out to media conglomerates and/or the principals are retired or dead: Goodson-Todman, Heatter-Quigley, Bob Stewart, Hatos-Hall, Chuck Barris, Reg Grundy, etc. In the early '90s before Mark Goodson passed away, he and Jonathan saw the market for their shows virtually collapse [/quote]
There are two mom-and-pop game show packagers who have had some success in recent years, though not the success GT and their ilk had back in the day: Sande Stewart(though mostly with lottery games) and the ever-bashed in these parts Stone-Stanley
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 30 2004, 01:14 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 28 2004, 05:42 PM\']I'm not sure I would even attempt to ever contact a well-known packager with an idea. The way I would do it is to get a job with that packager or company first. If a couple of years of fetching coffee is not to your taste, mount the show yourself; why give your ideas to Dan Enright?[/quote]
That would have been a good idea about 20 years ago. Today the U.S. packagers who used to specialize in game shows have sold out to media conglomerates and/or the principals are retired or dead: Goodson-Todman, Heatter-Quigley, Bob Stewart, Hatos-Hall, Chuck Barris, Reg Grundy, etc. In the early '90s before Mark Goodson passed away, he and Jonathan saw the market for their shows virtually collapse. No longer could they sell a show simply by placing a phone call to CBS or NBC, and the networks certainly weren't seeking them out as they did when they bought Blockbusters I to replace Letterman. The networks used to have people whose job it was to develop daytime programming, principally game shows -- no more. Now they would rather import shows which are already successful in other countries (WWTBAM, Weakest Link) for prime time. The U.S. syndication market is more interested in retreads (HS, Pyramid, FF) than new concepts. I doubt even the "next generation" of packagers such as Jay Wolpert even bother with game shows any more. The new GSN is not interested in studio games. MAYBE if you got a position with Fremantle you'd be in a position to pitch ideas but that's no assurance that your show would ever make it to air.
Not very encouraging, is it? ;-)[/quote]
And people wonder why I believe we are in a Game Show Great Depression. You, Mr. Clementson, have explained it better that I ever could.
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Isn't Phil Gurin also positioning himself as a serious member in the game production world? In fact, what is Jay Wolpert doing these days? Some of us remember that when the handwriting was starting to appear on the wall, some game outfits tried to be ready and stretch into alternative programming. I remember Tales Of The Haunted, Strange As It Seems, Jack Anderson Confidential, All About Us, Soap World, and Mama Malone. All major failures, but the winds of change were causing chills in the game world. Chris, was G-T also looking into other ideas in the 80s, or were they certain their classic properties were enough to keep them afloat?
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'May 30 2004, 10:43 PM\'] In fact, what is Jay Wolpert doing these days? [/quote]
Screenplay for 2002's The Count of Monte Cristo and "screen story" for 2003's Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl.
Wolpert obviously loves game shows, but I suspect his current career track is proving more lucrative.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Sande Stewart nor Stone-Stanley has been involved in the current rash of prime-time reality programs nor are they involved with the major syndicated game shows: Pyramid, FF, WWTBAM or HS. AFAIK Sande Stewart isn't doing much business with GSN any more. I don't know what Phil Gurin is up to at this very moment, nor have I kept in contact with Bob Boden, who could start shopping shows around subsequent to his GSN stint. After selling MGP, Jonathan Goodson started his own company to do state lottery shows.
In the summer/fall of 1979, G-T had on the air:
1. Family Feud (ABC daytime and syndicated nighttime)
2. Match Game (syndicated)
3. The Price Is Right (CBS daytime and syndicated nighttime)
4. Card Sharks (NBC daytime)
5. Mindreaders (NBC daytime)
6. Password Plus (NBC daytime)
7. All-New Beat the Clock (CBS daytime)
With all of that going on, our competitors' business was also healthy:
Heatter-Quigley (HS, HR)
Barry & Enright (TJW, TTD)
Chuck Barris (3s a Crowd, whatever else)
Merv Griffin (WOF)
Bob Stewart
On top of that, there was a steady stream of network pilots being done every quarter by the likes of Hill-Eubanks, Hatos-Hall, Ralph Andrews, etc.
Anyone contemplating a career doing JUST game shows should consider the current business climate for this kind of programming.
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Seems like 1979 was just as big a year for game shows as 1975 ever was. With about 15 shows on the air & another 10-20 ideas floating around, it's easy to see that the game show busness was a prosperous one back then.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:35 AM\'] Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Sande Stewart nor Stone-Stanley has been involved in the current rash of prime-time reality programs [/quote]
Stone-Stanley did produce the Mole, which IIRC ABC has stopped doing new shows of.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 31 2004, 08:07 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:35 AM\'] Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Sande Stewart nor Stone-Stanley has been involved in the current rash of prime-time reality programs [/quote]
Stone-Stanley did produce the Mole, which IIRC ABC has stopped doing new shows of.[/quote]
The fact that ABC has stopped showing The Mole of any stripe is precisely why Mr. Clementson expressly omitted Stone-Stanley shows from the current rash of prime-time "reality" shows.
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but please get a clue.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:52 AM\'] Seems like 1979 was just as big a year for game shows as 1975 ever was. With about 15 shows on the air & another 10-20 ideas floating around, it's easy to see that the game show busness was a prosperous one back then. [/quote]
Not really. At their respective peaks, NBC had 4 hours of daytime games, CBS 3, and ABC 3-1/2 at one time or another during that year. (I'm not counting January 2, which was NBC's last day with 4-1/2 hours of games.) I also count 13 weekly syndie games and seven syndie strips (admittedly, not all of them ran start to finish throughout the year).
By 1979, we were down to 2 hours on CBS, 3 on NBC, and one on ABC. I don't know how many syndie hours there were at that point, but I can't believe there were 11 additional syndie strips to make up the gap.
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Curt -
If you will post a schedule showing the maximum number of game shows on the air at any one time, both network and syndicated, I'll put it in the archive. Count January 2, 1975 if it ups the total.
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78-79 had "Liar's Club," "Love Experts" "Celeb. Charades" YDS!, "Cross Wits," TJW, DG, NG, TTD, and MML as strips. 79-80 dropped the first four but added MG and 3AC.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 31 2004, 07:39 PM\'] Curt -
If you will post a schedule showing the maximum number of game shows on the air at any one time, both network and syndicated, I'll put it in the archive. Count January 2, 1975 if it ups the total. [/quote]
First off, my bad -- NBC only had three hours of games by that point, not four. This is just my best guess at what the maximum was; I'll happily concede the point if wrong.
ABC
Blankety Blanks
Password
Split Second
Let's Make a Deal
The $10,000 Pyramid
The Big Showdown
The Money Maze
CBS
The Joker's Wild
Gambit
Now You See It
The Price Is Right
Match Game '75
Tattletales
NBC
Celebrity Sweepstakes
Wheel of Fortune
High Rollers
The Hollywood Squares
Jackpot
Blank Check
Syndie Weekly Games:
Celebrity Bowling
Celebrity Sweepstakes
Don Adams' Screen Test
The Hollywood Squares
Jeopardy!
Let's Make a Deal
Masquerade Party
Name That Tune
The New Treasure Hunt
The Price Is Right
Sports Challenge
The $25,000 Pyramid
Syndie Strips:
Concentration
Dealer's Choice
The Diamond Head Game
To Tell the Truth
Truth or Consequences
What's My Line?
The only difference on January 2 would be the absence of Blankety Blanks, the presence of Jeopardy! on NBC, and a couple of NBC substitutions (Name That Tune and Winning Streak for Blank Check and Wheel of Fortune).
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 31 2004, 07:48 PM\'] 78-79 had "Liar's Club," "Love Experts" "Celeb. Charades" YDS!, "Cross Wits," TJW, DG, NG, TTD, and MML as strips. 79-80 dropped the first four but added MG and 3AC. [/quote]
And at midseason Play The Percentages and Face The Music were added.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 31 2004, 10:04 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 31 2004, 07:48 PM\'] 78-79 had "Liar's Club," "Love Experts" "Celeb. Charades" YDS!, "Cross Wits," TJW, DG, NG, TTD, and MML as strips. 79-80 dropped the first four but added MG and 3AC. [/quote]
And at midseason Play The Percentages and Face The Music were added. [/quote]
Guiness Game...or was that weekly?
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Curt -
Nice job with the list. It represents roughly what period in 1975? If you can solidify the facts I will put it in the archive.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 01:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 31 2004, 10:04 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 31 2004, 07:48 PM\'] 78-79 had "Liar's Club," "Love Experts" "Celeb. Charades" YDS!, "Cross Wits," TJW, DG, NG, TTD, and MML as strips. 79-80 dropped the first four but added MG and 3AC. [/quote]
And at midseason Play The Percentages and Face The Music were added. [/quote]
Guiness Game...or was that weekly? [/quote]
Guinness was weekly. Also add Joker Joker Joker to the 1979-80 list of weekly syndies. Camouflage bowed in Feb 1980 as a weekly, also.
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Guiness Game...or was that weekly?
"Guinness Game" was on once a week. The station I watched it on (Ch 10 Rochester) aired it every Sunday at 12 noon when it first debuted in the fall of 1979.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 31 2004, 08:07 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 31 2004, 03:35 AM\'] Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Sande Stewart nor Stone-Stanley has been involved in the current rash of prime-time reality programs [/quote]
Stone-Stanley did produce the Mole, which IIRC ABC has stopped doing new shows of.[/quote]
They were also responsible for the talent show recasting of "Fame" that NBC did last season and the "PopStars" series that ran on The WB at about the same time as "The Mole"'s first series (remember Eden's Crush? I thought so). If you count cable, they're also behind the Spike TV parody series "The Joe Schmo Show" (which will return this summer, this time as a takeoff of the dating genre).
And I would suspect that S-S will be called on by some network for more prime time unscripted programming sooner or later--they *do* have experience in it.
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They were also responsible for the talent show recasting of "Fame" that NBC did last season and the "PopStars" series that ran on The WB at about the same time as "The Mole"'s first series (remember Eden's Crush? I thought so). If you count cable, they're also behind the Spike TV parody series "The Joe Schmo Show" (which will return this summer, this time as a takeoff of the dating genre).
You think I watch any of this crap? ;-)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 03:48 PM\']
They were also responsible for the talent show recasting of "Fame" that NBC did last season and the "PopStars" series that ran on The WB at about the same time as "The Mole"'s first series (remember Eden's Crush? I thought so). If you count cable, they're also behind the Spike TV parody series "The Joe Schmo Show" (which will return this summer, this time as a takeoff of the dating genre).
You think I watch any of this crap? ;-)[/quote]
Well, no.
(And I didn't watch "PopStars.")
"Fame" was enjoyable mainly if you liked to see egos unleashed and running wild--in this case, Debbie Allen's. Otherwise...