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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: beatlefreak84 on May 23, 2004, 11:44:29 PM
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Hello all,
First off, it's good to have our home back! :)
But, anyway, I had a burning question on my mind today: There were many game shows throughout history in which the winner of a bonus round would retire undefeated; otherwise, he/she could keep coming back until defeated. Obviously, that brings up two questions:
1. What are the shows on which a contestant could conceivably stay on as long as he/she kept winning the front game and losing the bonus round? (eg. Davidson Squares and Split Second do not count since you'd win the grand prize by winning 5 games).
The ones I can think of:
Classic Concentration (after the format change)
Top Card
Wipeout (once they instated returning champs)
Now You See It (Narz version)
Hollywood Showdown (all contestants stayed on for a week, so I consider this akin to staying on until winning a bonus round)
Can you think of any more?
2. If you were personally on one of these shows, would you purposely blow the bonus round so you could keep coming back?
My opinion: It would depend on the show I was on. For example, I think I'd hold out a little on NYSI, HS, or Wipeout, but I wouldn't on TC nor CC since those are based on luck (at least, part of the shows); I'm not willing to stick around on shows that I may lose because I pick the wrong number or make the wrong call on a card!
What do you think?
Anthony
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 23 2004, 10:44 PM\'] 1. What are the shows on which a contestant could conceivably stay on as long as he/she kept winning the front game and losing the bonus round? (eg. Davidson Squares and Split Second do not count since you'd win the grand prize by winning 5 games).
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-70s Pyramids
-Whew!
-70s TJW (once you won the Joker's Jackpot)
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 23 2004, 10:44 PM\'] 2. If you were personally on one of these shows, would you purposely blow the bonus round so you could keep coming back? [/quote]
You're kidding, right? You get far enough to play a bonus game, you play it to win. Getting another chance is too unlikely a proposition to throw an endgame.
My two cents, anyway.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'May 23 2004, 11:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 23 2004, 10:44 PM\'] 2. If you were personally on one of these shows, would you purposely blow the bonus round so you could keep coming back? [/quote]
You're kidding, right? You get far enough to play a bonus game, you play it to win. Getting another chance is too unlikely a proposition to throw an endgame.
My two cents, anyway. [/quote]
It happened on Classic Concentration, oddly enough. Some idiot threw the bonus round so he could win more prizes....
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'May 23 2004, 11:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 23 2004, 10:44 PM\'] 2. If you were personally on one of these shows, would you purposely blow the bonus round so you could keep coming back? [/quote]
You're kidding, right? You get far enough to play a bonus game, you play it to win. Getting another chance is too unlikely a proposition to throw an endgame.
My two cents, anyway. [/quote]
Unless the lovely Justy and handsome Metro didn't satisfy you.
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It happened on Classic Concentration, oddly enough. Some idiot threw the bonus round so he could win more prizes....
So what happened? Did he win the next match?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 24 2004, 02:09 AM\']
It happened on Classic Concentration, oddly enough. Some idiot threw the bonus round so he could win more prizes....
So what happened? Did he win the next match? [/quote]
This came up not long ago, and I believe he did not, further solifidying the abject stupidity of such a strategy.
Ya know, part of "being a desirable contestant", which is the best way to get selected to compete on these programs we love so well, is displaying a willingness to play the game in a fashion desired by the contestant coordinators. Yes, a Michael Larson slips through the cracks every so often, but that's a special case. I would think that going to your audition with the intent of trying to "game" the game, or going in and letting on that you're trying to hide the fact that you're gonna try to beat the system, would be a good way to be reintroduced to the street in an expedient manner.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 24 2004, 10:42 AM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 24 2004, 02:09 AM\']
It happened on Classic Concentration, oddly enough. Some idiot threw the bonus round so he could win more prizes....
So what happened? Did he win the next match? [/quote]
This came up not long ago, and I believe he did not, further solifidying the abject stupidity of such a strategy.
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And, according to what I've been told. The contestant managed to win the game on the next episode, where he then blew the Winners Circle on purpose again, he lost the next match, which sent him packing.
Unless the lovely Justy and handsome Metro didn't satisfy you.
I would never let a "Handsome Metro" satisfy me ! : )
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'May 24 2004, 12:36 PM\']
Unless the lovely Justy and handsome Metro didn't satisfy you.
I would never let a "Handsome Metro" satisfy me ! : )
-Joe R. [/quote]
Line Of The Day! :-)
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'May 24 2004, 12:13 AM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 23 2004, 10:44 PM\'] 2. If you were personally on one of these shows, would you purposely blow the bonus round so you could keep coming back? [/quote]
You're kidding, right? You get far enough to play a bonus game, you play it to win. Getting another chance is too unlikely a proposition to throw an endgame. [/quote]
I dunno. I've been on two game shows now, and the one thing that both experiences had in common was that when I was done, I really, really, really wanted to play some more.
So if I was faced with the choice between winning a low-end automobile or getting to play Concentration some more, knowing that I'd never get the opportunity to play Concentration on television ever again, I'm not so sure I wouldn't want to sandbag the bonus and go another round.
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The only other one I can think of is the 2000 version of 21, where the champs can keep going until defeated, whether or not they won anything in the "Perfect 21" bonus round.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'May 24 2004, 10:54 AM\'] The only other one I can think of is the 2000 version of 21, where the champs can keep going until defeated, whether or not they won anything in the "Perfect 21" bonus round. [/quote]
While you're technically correct, before they reigned in the budget on that show, the money they were throwing around in the front game was so obscene that to call Perfect 21 anyting other than an "interlude" gives it more credit than it deserves.
"Congratulations, you just won your fourth game, and you are now a millionaire. Here's a snowball's chance in hell to win another $210,000, but it'll prolly be closer to $100,000 if anything, and your next front game will be for $500,000, so who really gives a rip."
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'May 24 2004, 12:36 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 24 2004, 10:42 AM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 24 2004, 02:09 AM\']
It happened on Classic Concentration, oddly enough. Some idiot threw the bonus round so he could win more prizes....
So what happened? Did he win the next match? [/quote]
This came up not long ago, and I believe he did not, further solifidying the abject stupidity of such a strategy.
[/quote]
And, according to what I've been told. The contestant managed to win the game on the next episode, where he then blew the Winners Circle on purpose again, he lost the next match, which sent him packing.
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I'm sorta curious, but as this was happening, what was Alex's reaction?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'May 24 2004, 03:10 PM\'] I'm sorta curious, but as this was happening, what was Alex's reaction? [/quote]
It shocked him to the point where he ran to the dressing room and shaved off his moustache.
Wait - never mind, I'm 10 years early.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'May 24 2004, 12:36 PM\']
Unless the lovely Justy and handsome Metro didn't satisfy you.
I would never let a "Handsome Metro" satisfy me ! : )[/quote]
And we were going to send Seacrest over to your house tomorrow morning... :)
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To my way of thinking, the only show where it might make sense is The $20,000 Pyramid, and even then it's questionable. On the 10 and even the New 25, you could win the title amount plus some by not winning it all on your first try, but the 20 was the worst-conceived prize structure of all (excluding special events) because the "perfect" player would never have a chance at the title amount.
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On the 10 and even the New 25, you could win the title amount plus some by not winning it all on your first try, but the 20 was the worst-conceived prize structure of all (excluding special events) because the "perfect" player would never have a chance at the title amount.
If I'm not mistaken, once you won $20,000 on the Pyramid, that's the total you got. If you won any bonus money along the way, that was wiped out and the grand total was $20K.
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If I'm not mistaken, once you won $20,000 on the Pyramid, that's the total you got. If you won any bonus money along the way, that was wiped out and the grand total was $20K.
That was apparently only the case during the ABC run, due to their winnings limit...back in the CBS $10K era, said amount was actually added to your previous total.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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I've decided that Hot Potato should also be on the list. I went to Travis's HP page, and it says that teams kept playing till defeated (even if they don't win anything in the bonus round).
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:52 AM\']I've decided that Hot Potato should also be on the list. I went to Travis's HP page, and it says that teams kept playing till defeated (even if they don't win anything in the bonus round).[/quote]
But didn't NBC have a ten-end-game limit on winnings back then? (Which was supposedly the reason why "$OTC" went to the Winner's Board--more often than not it was taking more than ten games to get someone all the way up the scale).
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:52 AM\'] I've decided that Hot Potato should also be on the list. I went to Travis's HP page, and it says that teams kept playing till defeated (even if they don't win anything in the bonus round). [/quote]
Tat wuzn't a funi thoh (sorry couldn't resist)
Dunno if I missed it, but I can't believe I didn't see Super Password mentioned...or did they have a 5 win = undefeated rule too? (Same for the latter months of Password Plus)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 25 2004, 11:30 AM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:52 AM\']I've decided that Hot Potato should also be on the list. I went to Travis's HP page, and it says that teams kept playing till defeated (even if they don't win anything in the bonus round).[/quote]
But didn't NBC have a ten-end-game limit on winnings back then? (Which was supposedly the reason why "$OTC" went to the Winner's Board--more often than not it was taking more than ten games to get someone all the way up the scale). [/quote]
$otC on the WInner's Board era took 11 wins to win it all(including the $50K). At the time of HP, WOF had a three show limit, Dream House had a six show limit(automatic house win after six days), MGHS hour had a five match limit, and $otC's limit on appearances was however long it took a player to win the house(shopping format was still used back then). I assume HP followed the usual B&E philosophy back then that players stay until defeated.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'May 25 2004, 04:56 PM\']
Dunno if I missed it, but I can't believe I didn't see Super Password mentioned...or did they have a 5 win = undefeated rule too? (Same for the latter months of Password Plus) [/quote]
P+ had a seven match limit, SP had a five match limit.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:52 AM\'] I've decided that Hot Potato should also be on the list. [/quote]
I've decided that you're wrong. On Hot Potato, if your team won the bonus money, you were able to continue to play. Your team's jackpot was reset to $5000, but your trio was not sent packing. As I understand the topic, we're listing shows where a bonus round win meant you were done, such as on TNN's 10 Seconds starring singing sensation Dan Miller (not Sajak's sidekick).
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 25 2004, 05:54 PM\'] As I understand the topic, we're listing shows where a bonus round win meant you were done, such as on TNN's 10 Seconds starring singing sensation Dan Miller (not Sajak's sidekick). [/quote]
All the old-school TNN game shows fit that category.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 25 2004, 06:14 PM\']
All the old-school TNN game shows fit that category. [/quote]
As opposed to the "New Wave" TNN game shows?
or "Gangsta" Game Shows?
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:49 AM\']
If I'm not mistaken, once you won $20,000 on the Pyramid, that's the total you got. If you won any bonus money along the way, that was wiped out and the grand total was $20K.
That was apparently only the case during the ABC run, due to their winnings limit...back in the CBS $10K era, said amount was actually added to your previous total.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
Two versions of the show have been confused here, the 10 and the 20. On the 10, winning $10K did not wipe out your other winnings. I never had a problem with the prize structure there.
On the 20, Ian is correct that a 20K win wiped out any other winnings. However, a 10K or 15K win did not. My problem with the prize structure was that if you won the 10 or 15K, you said goodbye and never had a chance at the 20K.
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Thank heavens they reworked the prize structure on the $25K/$100K Pyramid. That $10K first try/$25K second try format was perfect no matter if the player won any bonus noney & or prizes. The $20K Pyramid structure seems to me the most flawed in a game show as far as I can tell.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 26 2004, 02:16 AM\'] That $10K first try/$25K second try format was perfect no matter if the player won any bonus noney & or prizes. [/quote]
So, you're saying that someone who wins one bonus game (their second of the day) deserves every bit as much money as one who wins two? GEEZ!
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). At the time of HP, WOF had a three show limit, Dream House had a six show limit(automatic house win after six days),
Those shows changed their bonus rounds several times. When "Wheel" debuted, it was a three-show limit. During the late '70s, it jumped to five. Sometime in the '80s, they moved it back to three.
When "Dream House" started, I believe a couple had to win seven times to automatically win the house. They quickly reduced it to five, and then upped it to six towards the end of the run. Strange how they kept changing it...
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 25 2004, 05:47 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 25 2004, 11:30 AM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:52 AM\']I've decided that Hot Potato should also be on the list. I went to Travis's HP page, and it says that teams kept playing till defeated (even if they don't win anything in the bonus round).[/quote]
But didn't NBC have a ten-end-game limit on winnings back then? (Which was supposedly the reason why "$OTC" went to the Winner's Board--more often than not it was taking more than ten games to get someone all the way up the scale). [/quote]
$otC on the WInner's Board era took 11 wins to win it all(including the $50K). At the time of HP, WOF had a three show limit, Dream House had a six show limit(automatic house win after six days), MGHS hour had a five match limit, and $otC's limit on appearances was however long it took a player to win the house(shopping format was still used back then). I assume HP followed the usual B&E philosophy back then that players stay until defeated. [/quote]
Right, but those were instituted by the show's producers, not the network, if Mark's post is correct, and I'm sure it is. So...as usual, ZHIFOS, and loaded with useless minute.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'May 26 2004, 07:54 AM\']
). At the time of HP, WOF had a three show limit, Dream House had a six show limit(automatic house win after six days),
Those shows changed their bonus rounds several times. When "Wheel" debuted, it was a three-show limit. During the late '70s, it jumped to five. Sometime in the '80s, they moved it back to three.[/quote]
Seems to me that "Wheel" was always a five-game limit in the beginning (complete with Chuck using the same verbiage to a champ on their 5th day that Fleming said on "J!"--"If you win today, you will retire as a five-time undefeated champion"). It was dropped down to three supposedly because they were getting letters from viewers saying that the champs were winning *too many* prizes--and Merv tended to be sensitive to the mail.
Some of you may find that concept of winning too much hard to believe.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:28 PM\'][quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'May 25 2004, 10:49 AM\']
If I'm not mistaken, once you won $20,000 on the Pyramid, that's the total you got. If you won any bonus money along the way, that was wiped out and the grand total was $20K.
That was apparently only the case during the ABC run, due to their winnings limit...back in the CBS $10K era, said amount was actually added to your previous total.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
Two versions of the show have been confused here, the 10 and the 20. On the 10, winning $10K did not wipe out your other winnings. I never had a problem with the prize structure there.
On the 20, Ian is correct that a 20K win wiped out any other winnings. However, a 10K or 15K win did not. My problem with the prize structure was that if you won the 10 or 15K, you said goodbye and never had a chance at the 20K.[/quote]
Actually, I think there's still a little confusion here. On both ABC's and CBS' 10K, the contestant's $10K was added to their prior winnings, but on the 20K, my understanding is that whenever you won the "big money," your new grand total was whatever the "big money" was -- $10K, $15K, or $20K. The previous dough from the Big 7s, 21-point bonuses, and prior trips to the winner's circle was wiped out. Is this everyone else's understanding of the '70s rules?
Brendan
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Not so ridiculous, especially if the benefits of staying on might outweigh winning the bonus round...
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 26 2004, 11:39 AM\'] It was dropped down to three supposedly because they were getting letters from viewers saying that the champs were winning *too many* prizes--and Merv tended to be sensitive to the mail.
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I'd be curious to see such a letter.
Dear Mr. Griffin,
I believe it is unfair for a single player to be able to win
six ceramic kangaroos and two spice racks. This ruins the
show for me. I'm switching the channel and watching Gambit
from now on.