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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tvrandywest on May 09, 2004, 12:15:06 AM
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Well, I received the Freemantle/MG Productions/FOX Confidentiality Agreement, but forgot to sign it ;-)
I defer to Mandel if he thinks posting any details is appropriate. But as I've received several e-mails asking about the pilot, and there are 300+ audience members who saw the whole thing already, I'll just give a broadbrush sketch of my opinions:
This revival of Match Game is certainly the best (imho) since dear Gene Rayburn put down that Sony telescoping mic. Some will think the Ross Schaefer version was purer. As a game, it was. But I think this one, overall, has greater entertainment value.
The highlights: Host Fred Willard is a brilliant ad-libber, and is damn good at the "traffic cop" aspect of hosting... certainly as a new role for him. The rules of the game remain true to the Rayburn era, including the format of the "Super Match" end game. The added comedic elements make the show more fun, but I don't think they slow it down or burden the format.
And that announcer was AWESOME ;-p
That's my two cents. The rest of the questions should be addressed to Mandel.
Hopefully, we'll see the pilot air on FOX soon, and hopefully everybody on this board will be a Nielsen family!!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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I can't wait to actually see this on the air if all goes right for What the Blank. But just picture it. A Match Game getting it's REVIVAL IN PRIME TIME since the NBC's 60's version. (hehe...I love bring history up.)
By the way, Randy, was the pilot taped at the historic CBS Television City (perhaps the Barker Studio)? Or...emm...elsewhere? lol
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'May 8 2004, 08:29 PM\'] By the way, Randy, was the pilot taped at the historic CBS Television City (perhaps the Barker Studio)? Or...emm...elsewhere? lol [/quote]
No big secret there.
Surprisingly for a game show it taped on stage 12 at THE premiere LA facility for sitcoms, the CBS Radford lot. It's a wonderfully historic piece of property that is responsible for the burb having the name "Studio City" in the first place. It goes back to the Mack Sennett silent comedy era, and was home to the Republic westerns and serials (Gene Autry, Zorro, etc).
The magic era at Radford was the 60s and 70s... a ton of TV faves including Gunsmoke, My Three Sons, Gilligan's Island [the little lagoon was only recently paved over ;-( ]. Later, all the MTM comedies: Mary Tyler Moore, Newhart, Phyllis, Rhoda, WKRP (including the more recent revival), etc.. I remember Burt Reynold's Evening Shade there, too. In the past couple of decades some of the stages have been converted for video, and it's been comics' favorite lot for their sitcoms: Seinfeld, Roseanne, Tom Arnold, Will and Grace, etc. Joining Will and Grace now are that Good Morning Miami thing, That 70s Show, The CBS Big Brother house, and a bevy of newer shows.
The coolest thing about Radford is that the backlot elements (the homes, building facades, park areas, that New York street on Seinfeld, etc.) are intersperced and mixed among the stages. A hop, skip and jump from "What The Blank" was the My Three Sons house. You drive on at Radford and you feel like you're deep in showbiz tradition. As TVCity is to games, Radford is to sitcoms.
You get the feeling I still have a lotta passion for the biz? ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest
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Well, after seeing what Randy posted should ease my mind from an earlier post I made regarding "What The Blank". Perhaps I'll give this one a chance if FOX does air it.
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Sound like a great version, Randy. I am sure the announcer is awesome. ;-) I hope it makes it to FOX. On Camera Audience has what looks like the show's logo on their ticket page here:
http://www.ocatv.com/schedule.php?show_id=23 (http://\"http://www.ocatv.com/schedule.php?show_id=23\")
Tim :-)
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'May 9 2004, 04:39 AM\'] Sound like a great version, Randy. I am sure the announcer is awesome. ;-) I hope it makes it to FOX. On Camera Audience has what looks like the show's logo on their ticket page here:
http://www.ocatv.com/schedule.php?show_id=23 (http://\"http://www.ocatv.com/schedule.php?show_id=23\")
Tim :-) [/quote]
I get the feeling Fremantle has developed a exclamation point fetish for their revivals...........
(Whammy!, What The Blank!)
Tyshaun!
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Sounds like it will be more traditional than edgy. If it were edgy, wouldn't it be called "What the...FOX?"
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I have high hopes judging by what Randy said- maybe Fremantle did this one correctly.
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If WTB! is picked up by FOX, would it be a summer series (or a new series for the fall lineup, since FOX is starting their new lineup in June) or a 2004-05 mid-season replacement?
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The highlights: Host Fred Willard is a brilliant ad-libber, and is damn good at the "traffic cop" aspect of hosting... certainly as a new role for him.
Incidentally, Willard also appeared as a panelist on MG '98...but I digress. Really sounds like Freemantle's finally figured out how to do the format right, and I hope they manage to get it on-air.
Chuck Donegan (The Optimistic "Chuckie Baby")
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Out of curiosity Randy, who were the celeb panelists on the pilot?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'May 9 2004, 12:46 PM\'] Out of curiosity Randy, who were the celeb panelists on the pilot? [/quote]
Curiosity killed the cat.
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I get the feeling Fremantle has developed a exclamation point fetish for their revivals........... (Whammy!, What The Blank!)
Though I think it would be more logical in this case to use a question mark, i.e. "What the Blank?". Although they could go the "?!' route, i.e. "What the Blank?!"... what do you call that combination of the two?
Sounds like it will be more traditional than edgy.
Indeed. Honestly, I think if Fox wanted to go edgy, they probably wouldn't have gotten a 64-year-old to host, no matter how good a host he would have been. I think Fox/Frementle/whoever was in charge made a good choice. This should turn out to be good, hopefuly.
I was thinking to myself, "Why are they trying Match Game again? I mean they just tried it... uh, nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fo... it's been six years already?! Was I really only elev... I guess so. Time flies, I guess."
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I am totally looking forward to this. This could be the best thing Fremantle has done in a long, long time.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'May 9 2004, 01:56 PM\'] This could be the best thing Fremantle has done in a long, long time. [/quote]
As in forever?
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Something like that, yes. :P
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'May 8 2004, 11:15 PM\']
This revival of Match Game is certainly the best (imho) since dear Gene Rayburn put down that Sony telescoping mic. Some will think the Ross Schaefer version was purer. As a game, it was. But I think this one, overall, has greater entertainment value.
The highlights: Host Fred Willard is a brilliant ad-libber, and is damn good at the "traffic cop" aspect of hosting... certainly as a new role for him. The rules of the game remain true to the Rayburn era, including the format of the "Super Match" end game. The added comedic elements make the show more fun, but I don't think they slow it down or burden the format.
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I think I know the answer to this one, but I'm gonna put this up to the panel for debate anyways....
If it walks like a "Match Game" duck, and talks like a "Match Game" duck, why not call it "Match Game"?
I know producers are big on putting their own stamp on a show to make it hipper (Big Deal, Whammy), but from Randy's description, it sure sounds like they're courting the fans of the original, keeping formats similar and such.... so since Fre-Mangle owns the name, why not use it to their advantage?
"What the _______" ?
Matt
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 9 2004, 05:41 PM\'] [quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'May 8 2004, 11:15 PM\']
This revival of Match Game is certainly the best (imho) since dear Gene Rayburn put down that Sony telescoping mic. Some will think the Ross Schaefer version was purer. As a game, it was. But I think this one, overall, has greater entertainment value.
The highlights: Host Fred Willard is a brilliant ad-libber, and is damn good at the "traffic cop" aspect of hosting... certainly as a new role for him. The rules of the game remain true to the Rayburn era, including the format of the "Super Match" end game. The added comedic elements make the show more fun, but I don't think they slow it down or burden the format.
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I think I know the answer to this one, but I'm gonna put this up to the panel for debate anyways....
If it walks like a "Match Game" duck, and talks like a "Match Game" duck, why not call it "Match Game"?
I know producers are big on putting their own stamp on a show to make it hipper (Big Deal, Whammy), but from Randy's description, it sure sounds like they're courting the fans of the original, keeping formats similar and such.... so since Fre-Mangle owns the name, why not use it to their advantage?
"What the _______" ?
Matt [/quote]
One idea....maybe they want to distance it from That Other Revival from 6 years ago? I mean, even they'd know it was a failure...right...?
At any rate when it makes air, I'll believe the good remarks when I see them. I can remember many of the shows we were disappointed with in the long run getting positive feedback from people who attended the pilots (I recall thumbs up in ATGS for MG98 and Louie's Feud, among others. CS2001 and the "Pyramid Player" $25K Pyramid were shown no mercy, OTOH)
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A guess - like a lot of our favorite game show formats - they're considered OLD. Between not saying "game", "match game", and the like, they may draw some younger viewers curious about the title who may stay on if it's funny enough, instead of them seeing the original title and going, "Oh, that's my grandmother's game show.." Hate to see that happen, but we might see several remakes in the future undergo name changes to prevent instant association with the elders. Like I say, a guess, but it won't surprise me. Some titles are gold - others may have to adapt..like someone suggested earlier - "Extreme Password".
Mad Def Matchin' Game??? Oy!
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Hopefully, we'll see the pilot air on FOX soon, and hopefully everybody on this board will be a Nielsen family!!
I'll give R.M. a call and see what I can do ;-)
Say Randy (or anyone from Fremantle): who's the producer(s)?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 9 2004, 05:41 PM\'] If it walks like a "Match Game" duck, and talks like a "Match Game" duck, why not call it "Match Game"?
I know producers are big on putting their own stamp on a show to make it hipper (Big Deal, Whammy), but from Randy's description, it sure sounds like they're courting the fans of the original, keeping formats similar and such.... so since Fre-Mangle owns the name, why not use it to their advantage?
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If WtB is very similar to the MG formats of the Rayburn &/or the Shaffer era, and they didn't wish to use the MG title again, why didn't they just use the UK's version/title of "Blankety Blanks"?
Or does Bob Stewart still own the rights to that "Blankety Blank" title in the US?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'May 9 2004, 06:10 PM\']Or does Bob Stewart still own the rights to that "Blankety Blank" title in the US?[/quote]
Stewart sold everything to Sony and went into retirement, including titles.
And the title was "Blankety Blank*s*."
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Now that I've heard a little more about WTB, I have a really good feeling about it. Fred Willard should make a good host, and I'm glad that it's not going to be a big departure from the classic format. Plus, if you think about it, couldn't you call MG7x an update of the original '60s MG with added comedy elements? This seems like it will just be the next logical step in the evolution of the show.
Also, while some of you may be groaning about it being on FOX, I think it's better off there than in syndication (or worse yet, GSN). I had always thought that the next MG revival should be on primetime network television, and while I would've preferred if it had been on one of the Big Three, it being on FOX still pretty much assures that it won't be really low-budget like MG98, and there won't be any worries about stations putting the show on in the wee hours.
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Judy Tenuta IS available.
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Two things scare me about this revival.
#1. It's on Fox
#2. It's on in Prime Time (which probably means only once a week) Right?
Judging by Randy's description it sounds like an awsome remake. So my problem isn't with Fremantle on this one. I'm uneasy about the whole Network prime time thing. It hasn't proven to have been all that successful of a time slot for game shows in the past. Just think of........
Twenty-One
Weakest Link
Winning Lines
Big Deal
Who Wants To Be A Millionare.
The Chair
Did any of them last longer than a year? Put this sucker on a syndicated schedule 5 days a week and my concerns will melt away. As it stands though I am very worried.
John
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True, but at least it will get a good timeslot everywhere. And BTW, WWTBAM, lasted quite a while, till they started airing it all the time.
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 9 2004, 10:18 PM\'] Did any of them last longer than a year? Put this sucker on a syndicated schedule 5 days a week and my concerns will melt away. As it stands though I am very worried. [/quote]
Fremantle's syndie game show remakes haven't done well recently either -- look at Match Game, To Tell The Truth, and that pile of dog turds Fremantle tried to pass off as Card Sharks. The only one that's really succeeded is Family Feud. It wouldn't surprise me if local stations were to pass on a syndicated "What the Blank?" immediately based on that one-out-of-four record.
At least if Fox is interested, getting a consistent time slot won't be nearly as much of a hassle. Unfortunately I'm no longer a Fox shareholder so I don't have a voice there any longer. :-)
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It would be great if Networks still had that two hour block in the morning from 10 to Noon Eastern or 9 to 11 for you folks out West. I would love to see this new revival paired up with some other games. I would recommend for Fox stations to reintroduce the morning block....... but there is probably a better chance of California sinking in the Ocean from an earthquake tonight then that happening.
John
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 9 2004, 09:31 PM\'] Fremantle's syndie game show remakes haven't done well recently either -- look at Match Game, To Tell The Truth, and that pile of dog turds Fremantle tried to pass off as Card Sharks. The only one that's really succeeded is Family Feud. It wouldn't surprise me if local stations were to pass on a syndicated "What the Blank?" immediately based on that one-out-of-four record. [/quote]
Well, who knows...maybe if this show is a big enough ratings hit, the show will go into daily syndication just like Millionaire and Weakest Link did.
At least if Fox is interested, getting a consistent time slot won't be nearly as much of a hassle. Unfortunately I'm no longer a Fox shareholder so I don't have a voice there any longer. :-)
Actually, FOX does have a tendency to move shows around the schedule to the point where you won't even know when it's on - many argue that this tendency killed Family Guy. Then again, FOX seems to favor non-scripted shows nowadays, so perhaps they'll treat WTB well.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 9 2004, 09:14 PM\'] Judy Tenuta IS available. [/quote]
And with any luck.... she'll REMAIN "available".
I'm sorry, but I'll bet anyone on this group would agree that Judy wouldn't fit too well with ANY game show. Besides, she didn't exactly do anything to help keep MG 98 afloat for longer than one season. (The same could be said for the rest of the lackluster panel too)
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If WTB?! does become a ratings hit(and it doesn't have to be a HUGE sucess), I wouldn't mind a syndicated version. Problem is, there's no room for game shows this fall(2004-2005). The next available year would be the 2005-2006 season IMO.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 10 2004, 04:52 AM\'] Problem is, there's no room for game shows this fall(2004-2005). The next available year would be the 2005-2006 season IMO. [/quote]
Huh?
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Let's not forget that this show also has another thing going for it...One of FOX's top shows right now is a Freemantle franchise, even though i do my best to pretend that show doesn't exist, personally.
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I'm uneasy about the whole Network prime time thing. It hasn't proven to have been all that successful of a time slot for game shows in the past. Just think of........
Twenty-One
Weakest Link
Winning Lines
Big Deal
Who Wants To Be A Millionare.
The Chair
Did any of them last longer than a year?
Point taken - with the exception of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire". They were on prime time for close to 3 years, and did 363 episodes - more than any other ABC prime time show ever. Plus, considering the ratings for the first two years, I'd say it was a major success.
However, I guess that was the exception rather than the rule.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'May 10 2004, 04:31 AM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 9 2004, 09:14 PM\'] Judy Tenuta IS available. [/quote]
And with any luck.... she'll REMAIN "available".
I'm sorry, but I'll bet anyone on this group would agree that Judy wouldn't fit too well with ANY game show. Besides, she didn't exactly do anything to help keep MG 98 afloat for longer than one season. (The same could be said for the rest of the lackluster panel too) [/quote]
George Hamilton and of course Vicki Lawrence were tolerable, the others we can do without. Martin Mull of the cancelled Hollywood Squares would be a natural panelist choice, as he and Fred go back more than 30 years(surprising Martin or Fred never did MG7x, but Fred did do a few eps. on MG98).
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I think Martin was too sarcastic in the '70s, but he has mellowed. Sorta like the SNL and SCTV guys who twenty-five years ago were slamming the kinds of movies they are making today. This makes another "Real People" host to become a game show host, and from what I read somewhere Mark Russell was under consideration some years ago to host a show, but declined the offer.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'May 10 2004, 04:31 AM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'May 9 2004, 09:14 PM\'] Judy Tenuta IS available. [/quote]
And with any luck.... she'll REMAIN "available".
I'm sorry, but I'll bet anyone on this group would agree that Judy wouldn't fit too well with ANY game show. [/quote]
I actually do see a perfect Game show for Judy. I would put her on the panel of "The Gong Show." She seems like a perfect fit for them. Other than that ........ No Games for Judy. Seeing that The Gong Show isn't even around at the moment it looks like we won't be seeing Judy anytime soon. :-)
John
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 10 2004, 10:36 AM\'] I actually do see a perfect Game show for Judy. I would put her on the panel of "The Gong Show." She seems like a perfect fit for them. Other than that ........ No Games for Judy. Seeing that The Gong Show isn't even around at the moment it looks like we won't be seeing Judy anytime soon. :-) [/quote]
Quiet, John! Do you want GSN to hear you and resurrect Extreme Gong? ;-)
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 10 2004, 04:52 AM\'] If WTB?! does become a ratings hit(and it doesn't have to be a HUGE sucess), I wouldn't mind a syndicated version. Problem is, there's no room for game shows this fall(2004-2005). The next available year would be the 2005-2006 season IMO. [/quote]
Ever hear the term "midseason replacement"?
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 10 2004, 10:36 AM\'] I actually do see a perfect Game show for Judy. I would put her on the panel of "The Gong Show." She seems like a perfect fit for them. Other than that ........ No Games for Judy. Seeing that The Gong Show isn't even around at the moment it looks like we won't be seeing Judy anytime soon. :-) [/quote]
Right now, the only place I'd like to see Judy right now is as the host of that new "Insider" program set to replace H2 in some markets this fall -- even if only to see it fail unlike its parent program (ET).
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 9 2004, 09:43 PM\']It would be great if Networks still had that two hour block in the morning from 10 to Noon Eastern or 9 to 11 for you folks out West. I would love to see this new revival paired up with some other games. I would recommend for Fox stations to reintroduce the morning block....... but there is probably a better chance of California sinking in the Ocean from an earthquake tonight then that happening.[/quote]
Exactly.
Stations don't really want network daytime because they can make more money off of syndicated shows. And unless a Fox affil has Oprah or Regis and Kelly running at 9 a.m., for the most part they'd rather run "The 700 Club," other paid religion or infomercials and make some money while getting killed in the ratings rather than get killed in the ratings with a syndicated show that in most cases they pay for.
Fox found this out the hard way with "Fox After Breakfast"--a show most affiliates never wanted and tried to kill once it was on. Since then, they've stayed out of weekday daytime strips for adults and pulled out of the after-school kids block (and out of kids TV completely, since the Fox Box is owned and programmed by 4Kids Entertainment on a time buy from the net). The fact that "Good Day Live!" is in syndication rather than being on the network is proof that the affils don't want a show crammed down their throats in daytime.
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Leave "WWTBAM" off the list of failures of primetime shows. The reason it died was because of too many celebrity shows, and only one "regular" contestant show per week, which hurt continuity. I think the loss of the phone game also hurt as well, though I'm sure there are some here who will disagree (though the ratings did perk up again when they brought the phone game back).
Leave "Twenty-One" off the list of recent failed primetime shows as well. It didn't die a natural death, it was murdered. After receiving respectable ratings in its original timeslot, it was deemed a failure by NBC because it wasn't receiving WWTBAM-style ratings. It was moved to another time slot, where after an initial drop in ratings, it managed to hold its own and even improve. Then NBC wound up cancelling the show, even though it was getting higher ratings than any number of shows they didn't cancel.
Let's not forget "Greed", which was cancelled by Fox; they haven't had a single show perform as well since then in its Friday timeslot. "The Chair" and "Winning Lines" were lousy shows. "Weakest Link" was borderline at NBC when they cancelled it. Shows with gameshow-like competition elements like "Fear Factor" and "Survivor" are certainly doing well.
Most new shows fail within a season or two - that's just the way the business is. You wouldn't expect game shows to be any different, and they're not. There will always be more failures than successes. But based on the comments that came out from the networks at the time of WWTBAM's original success, programming executives don't like game shows, and will look for reasons not to program them. If a primetime sitcom fails, no one says that "primetime sitcoms are dead". When WWTBAM's ratings dropped, lots of people said that "primetime gameshows are dead". Then they bring WWTBAM back in a lousy timeslot, and it winds up getting some of ABC's best ratings for the season.
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Judy Tenuta IS available.
And with any luck.... she'll REMAIN "available".
That's a joke, son.
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Seeing that The Gong Show isn't even around at the moment it looks like we won't be seeing Judy anytime soon. :-)
A listing search for H2 on Zap2it.com reveals that we may be seeing Judy a lot sooner...how's next wk (5/17) for ya? :-D
Chuck Donegan (The Sadistic "Chuckie Baby")
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Well, H2 is going off the air this year anyway, so they can do whatever they want now.
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[quote name=\'FeudDude\' date=\'May 9 2004, 08:56 PM\']Also, while some of you may be groaning about it being on FOX, I think it's better off there than in syndication (or worse yet, GSN). I had always thought that the next MG revival should be on primetime network television, and while I would've preferred if it had been on one of the Big Three, it being on FOX still pretty much assures that it won't be really low-budget like MG98, and there won't be any worries about stations putting the show on in the wee hours.[/quote]
Fox IS one of the Big Three today, what with ABC's free-fall under Eisner's (mis)management (aside from WWTBAM's peak). It would seem to me that most producers of any TV format would rather shop to Fox than to ABC; I believe that Mark Burnett (Survivor EP) once said that he would never shop to ABC.
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 9 2004, 09:18 PM\']Twenty-One
Weakest Link
Winning Lines
Big Deal
Who Wants To Be A Millionare.
The Chair[/quote]
Don't forget "You Don't Know Jack" :-P
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[quote name=\'Tony\' date=\'May 10 2004, 09:13 PM\'][quote name=\'FeudDude\' date=\'May 9 2004, 08:56 PM\']Also, while some of you may be groaning about it being on FOX, I think it's better off there than in syndication (or worse yet, GSN). I had always thought that the next MG revival should be on primetime network television, and while I would've preferred if it had been on one of the Big Three, it being on FOX still pretty much assures that it won't be really low-budget like MG98, and there won't be any worries about stations putting the show on in the wee hours.[/quote]
Fox IS one of the Big Three today, what with ABC's free-fall under Eisner's (mis)management (aside from WWTBAM's peak). It would seem to me that most producers of any TV format would rather shop to Fox than to ABC; I believe that Mark Burnett (Survivor EP) once said that he would never shop to ABC.[/quote]
Not that Burnett's that happy with Fox right now, thanks to Darnell approving Endemol's carbon of his "Contender" boxing show, but his "Casino" (which is a fly-on-the-wall documentary like "The Restaurant") will still be airing on Fox this summer.
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 9 2004, 10:18 PM\'] Twenty-One
Weakest Link
Winning Lines
Big Deal
Who Wants To Be A Millionare.
The Chair
Did any of them last longer than a year? Put this sucker on a syndicated schedule 5 days a week and my concerns will melt away. As it stands though I am very worried.
John [/quote]
To answer your question, then yes. Millionaire did last longer than a year. I think lumping Millionaire in with the others is a mistake. Millionaire did not die because it had a bad format. It died because of bad programming decisions. I think if it was handled by any other network it may have still been on the air last season.
So far they are doing Super Millionaire right. I hope that continues.
Tim :-)
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'May 10 2004, 08:18 AM\']
I'm uneasy about the whole Network prime time thing. It hasn't proven to have been all that successful of a time slot for game shows in the past. Just think of........
Twenty-One
Weakest Link
Winning Lines
Big Deal
Who Wants To Be A Millionare.
The Chair
Did any of them last longer than a year?
Point taken - with the exception of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire". They were on prime time for close to 3 years, and did 363 episodes - more than any other ABC prime time show ever. Plus, considering the ratings for the first two years, I'd say it was a major success.
However, I guess that was the exception rather than the rule.[/quote]
The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet had many more episodes (435) from 1952-66 during it's ABC run..
Tim Lones
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I think "Peyton Place" also had more episodes. Two and sometimes three a week from 64-69 for 52 weeks per year with no repeats.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 11 2004, 12:25 PM\']I think "Peyton Place" also had more episodes. Two and sometimes three a week from 64-69 for 52 weeks per year with no repeats.[/quote]
I never even thought of Peyton Place. According to the Museum of Broadcast Communications Online Encyclopedia, 514 Episodes of Peyton Place were produced.
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/P/htmlP/...peytonplace.htm (http://\"http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/P/htmlP/peytonplace/peytonplace.htm\")
Tim Lones
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I'd also be curious as to how many episodes of America's Funniest Home Videos have been made. Whoever claimed that WWTBAM was tops really didn't do much homework.
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I know that the 300th episode was a short time ago. I think they're up to about 315.
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Fred Willard? No offense, but if it were up to me, I'd go with Michael Burger or Wayne Cox.
But hey, if it worked for Reege.....
At least get just Vicki back; and maybe put David Ruprecht and Stephanie Miller on the panel as well. And PLEASE have Wink on as a guest as well!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Mary Ann Mobley of the Big Board!'
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Millionaire lasted from August of 1999 to June of 2002 in its first primetime run, IIRC.
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Whoever claimed that WWTBAM was tops really didn't do much homework.
Whoops! That was me - and I'll take the blame. I remember reading in the Entertainment section a couple of years ago that it was either No. 1 or No. 2 all-time for ABC - but several posts in this thread have pointed out a few other shows that went past it in terms of number of episodes.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 10 2004, 11:39 AM\'] The fact that "Good Day Live!" is in syndication rather than being on the network is proof that the affils don't want a show crammed down their throats in daytime. [/quote]
I thought that GDL was indeed a FOX Network show along with Live w/ Ryan Secrest? Then what percentage of the local FOX affiliates carry it?
I don't believe that GDL is pulling in any eye opening numbers, so might FOX might be testing WtB for a possible replacement for at least half of the afternoon gabfest?
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[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'May 9 2004, 11:29 AM\']If WTB! is picked up by FOX, would it be a summer series (or a new series for the fall lineup, since FOX is starting their new lineup in June) or a 2004-05 mid-season replacement?[/quote]
According to The Futon Critic (Direct Link to source (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/gofuton.cgi?action=newswire&id=6567\")), and I quote:
FOX is said to be mulling a summer or fall series order for the project.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'May 12 2004, 08:26 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 10 2004, 11:39 AM\'] The fact that "Good Day Live!" is in syndication rather than being on the network is proof that the affils don't want a show crammed down their throats in daytime. [/quote]
I thought that GDL was indeed a FOX Network show along with Live w/ Ryan Secrest? Then what percentage of the local FOX affiliates carry it?
I don't believe that GDL is pulling in any eye opening numbers, so might FOX might be testing WtB for a possible replacement for at least half of the afternoon gabfest? [/quote]
Neither show is a FOX network show. While most takers of the shows are FOX affiliates, they don't all run the shows at the same time and there is at least one UPN affil in my state that runs GDL.
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Both GDL and the Seacrest spew are produced by FOX (GDL is just an extension of KTTV's morning show), and I suspect that Seacrest's show will be toast anytime now. He's just awful and that's all I can say about it. (The fact that this twit has displaced Kasey Kasem, Rick Dees, and the Wayne Brady show really irks me)
Seacrest's show isn't getting the ratings, and trust me, if you're in line for TPIR, you'll be practically begged to take tickets to Seacrest. I got annoyed that the hawker kept pushing off tickets to low-rated CRAP while I was in line for TPIR.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'May 13 2004, 05:00 AM\'] Seacrest's show isn't getting the ratings, and trust me, if you're in line for TPIR, you'll be practically begged to take tickets to Seacrest. I got annoyed that the hawker kept pushing off tickets to low-rated CRAP while I was in line for TPIR. [/quote]
Did they really? I mean at CBS Television City, don't they prohibit loitering? hehe
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'May 13 2004, 05:00 AM\'] Both GDL and the Seacrest spew are produced by FOX (GDL is just an extension of KTTV's morning show), and I suspect that Seacrest's show will be toast anytime now. He's just awful and that's all I can say about it. (The fact that this twit has displaced Kasey Kasem, Rick Dees, and the Wayne Brady show really irks me)
Seacrest's show isn't getting the ratings, and trust me, if you're in line for TPIR, you'll be practically begged to take tickets to Seacrest. I got annoyed that the hawker kept pushing off tickets to low-rated CRAP while I was in line for TPIR. [/quote]
Being produced and distributed by FOX is different that being a FOX network show. Disney (owner of ABC) distributes Viera WWTBAM, but it is not an ABC network show and Regis, while at one time just the WABC local morning show is not a network show, nor are WOF and J! or Oprah or Phil CBS network shows, despite being distributed by Viacom controlled companies. It may be splitting hairs, but GDL and Seacrest are not FOX network shows.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'May 12 2004, 08:26 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 10 2004, 11:39 AM\'] The fact that "Good Day Live!" is in syndication rather than being on the network is proof that the affils don't want a show crammed down their throats in daytime. [/quote]
I thought that GDL was indeed a FOX Network show along with Live w/ Ryan Secrest? Then what percentage of the local FOX affiliates carry it?
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Technically, both "GDL" and "On Air" are syndicated series distributed by Fox subsid 20th Television and airing on Fox-owned stations, so it's understandable that you'd think that they were Fox *network* projects (the fact that they cross-plug Fox a lot would also lead you to think that they were network), but they aren't. The station list on the "GDL" web site doesn't indicate network affiliation, but with the exception of Viacom-owned UPN affil KBHK in San Francisco, most of the call letters I recognize on the list are either Fox affils or Fox-owned UPN affils in Fox-owned duopoly markets. Since "On Air" doesn't have one complete station list on its site, the states I looked at look like the same thing (complete with KBHK carrying the show in the Bay Area). The difference, of course, is that 20th only takes four minutes an hour or so of national ads on each show--if it was network, Fox would probably want a higher percentage of national ads.
I don't believe that GDL is pulling in any eye opening numbers, so might FOX might be testing WtB for a possible replacement for at least half of the afternoon gabfest?
Despite its atrocious total household numbers, it is showing growth in key demos, so 20th is willing to hang on with it for a while--besides, all of the talent and I assume most of the staff all work on "Good Day LA" and so they're not spending that much extra for the national show.
And with all due respect, I'm not going to complain one bit about a broadcast network considering a studio game show for prime time placement. Not one bit.