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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: beatlefreak84 on May 07, 2004, 02:14:37 PM
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Hello all,
I was talking to a friend of mine last night, and she was talking about doing a spoof of "The Price is Right" for our college's orientation in August; as a result, she wanted TPIR's theme song on file. That got me thinking about a related question:
I think I'm pretty safe in saying that TPIR's theme is the longest-running in game show history without any type of remake, remix, etc. (otherwise, J! would take the cake). Of course, we can all blab about the '94 remix, but that was used on the syndie version and not the daytime, which has had the same-sounding theme since 1972.
Two questions to ask about the TPIR theme:
1. Am I right in asserting that TPIR's theme is the longest continuously-running theme song in game show history without any remixes?
2. If #1 is correct, then is TPIR's theme the longest-running TV theme without any remixes?
Weird questions, I know, but, then again, it's finals week!
Anthony
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I was thinking maybe "Days of Our Lives," but I haven't seen it in ages. Is MacDonald Carey still in the opening? "60 Minutes," if you consider ticking a theme. Bill Buckley's "Firing Line" was always the same as I recall and that debuted in the sixties. A good number of the PBS shows (kids and pub. affairs) never changed.
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 7 2004, 11:14 AM\']I think I'm pretty safe in saying that TPIR's theme is the longest-running in game show history without any type of remake, remix, etc. (otherwise, J! would take the cake).[/quote]
No, it wouldn't. 1972-present is longer than 1984-present, or at least it was last time I checked.
1. Am I right in asserting that TPIR's theme is the longest continuously-running theme song in game show history without any remixes?
Has any other game show run longer than 32 years? With that in mind, is it *possible* that any other theme could have run longer continuously?
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The opening vamp, as it were, has changed since 1972. Would "Stop Gap" be a contender for top five?
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[quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 01:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 7 2004, 11:14 AM\']I think I'm pretty safe in saying that TPIR's theme is the longest-running in game show history without any type of remake, remix, etc. (otherwise, J! would take the cake).[/quote]
No, it wouldn't. 1972-present is longer than 1984-present, or at least it was last time I checked.
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Hasn't J!'s theme been redone at least once since they restarted the franchise in 1984? While the tune is still the same, the mix clearly isn't.
Doug -- soon to celebrate 500 posts
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Jeopardy has been remixed a few different times (It all began with the Bongos in 1992). Wheel has also gone through it's share of changes. Speaking of Wheel...... that 1974 original theme is still the best. Maybe we should talk about Themes that have changed but should of been left the hell alone to begin with. :-) They are smart at Price. They've done exactly that.
John
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'May 7 2004, 12:17 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 01:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 7 2004, 11:14 AM\']I think I'm pretty safe in saying that TPIR's theme is the longest-running in game show history without any type of remake, remix, etc. (otherwise, J! would take the cake).[/quote]
No, it wouldn't. 1972-present is longer than 1984-present, or at least it was last time I checked.
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Hasn't J!'s theme been redone at least once since they restarted the franchise in 1984? While the tune is still the same, the mix clearly isn't.[/quote]
Yes, three times. Anthony implied that if J! *hadn't* been remixed, it'd be the record holder for longest, which is what I was saying was incorrect.
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Actually Price's theme has been remixed once. In I believe 84 or 85, the theme which had been lower pitched before, was changed to the higher pitched version we hear today.
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[quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 02:40 PM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'May 7 2004, 12:17 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 01:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 7 2004, 11:14 AM\']I think I'm pretty safe in saying that TPIR's theme is the longest-running in game show history without any type of remake, remix, etc. (otherwise, J! would take the cake).[/quote]
No, it wouldn't. 1972-present is longer than 1984-present, or at least it was last time I checked.
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Hasn't J!'s theme been redone at least once since they restarted the franchise in 1984? While the tune is still the same, the mix clearly isn't.[/quote]
Yes, three times. Anthony implied that if J! *hadn't* been remixed, it'd be the record holder for longest, which is what I was saying was incorrect. [/quote]
Sorry for the confusion. It's funny, but I don't even remember if the original 1964-75 run of J! had opening and closing themes (I was but a youngster, and while images of Art Fleming thanking Don Pardo stand out in my mind, whatever music they had other than the Final J! think music and the "go to the board" cue doesn't).
Anyone wanna fill in the gaps? :)
Doug -- and the countdown to 500 continues
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 7 2004, 01:38 PM\'] I was thinking maybe "Days of Our Lives," but I haven't seen it in ages. Is MacDonald Carey still in the opening? [/quote]
Mac's voice is still heard during the open, but the part where he identifies himself ("This is Macdonald Carey and these are the days of our lives") was removed when he died in 1994. The opening music was remixed in 1993 when they began showing a turning hourglass. The original music used during the opening lasted twenty-eight years (1965-93) while the closing theme was re-recorded in 1982 and used until they went to split-screen credits [the last daytime serial to do so] in 2001. The same day reruns on SoapNet (a niche audience-friendly channel as opposed to one which we discuss frequently on this board) show full credits but with some suspense music playing unrelated to the theme.
Looks like TPIR holds the record.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'May 7 2004, 02:56 PM\']It's funny, but I don't even remember if the original 1964-75 run of J! had opening and closing themes (I was but a youngster, and while images of Art Fleming thanking Don Pardo stand out in my mind, whatever music they had other than the Final J! think music and the "go to the board" cue doesn't).
Anyone wanna fill in the gaps? :)[/quote]
1--The guitar riff that played under Don Pardo's opening ("now entering the studio are today's contestants..."), with the little flute figure as each player sat down.
2--Version one of the theme started up after "These people will compete for cash prizes today on... [supered logo art card zooms in, drum downbeat into part of theme people rememeber if they remember it at all] 'Jeopardy!'"
3--Board opening cue
4--Theme from beginning played as middle fee plug cue, ending with "we'll return to Art Fleming and the Double Jeopardy! portion of our game after this important message..."
5--Repeat board opening cue for DJ!
6--The FJ! think cue
7--Backtimed theme, usually fading in as Fleming's doing his signoff "...so join us again in the morning--have a good day!" No matter if a long or short roll, it always ended on the fade.
And the Musicians' Union turntable operator usually cued up two audio Daily Doubles out of three from about 1968 on.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 7 2004, 02:08 PM\'] The original music during the opening lasted twenty-eight years (1965-93) while the closing theme was re-recorded in 1982 and used until they went to split-screen credits [the last daytime serial to do so] in 2001. [/quote]
Also the last NBC show as well.
All network shows on NBC, UPN & WB have split screen credits while these are the sole survivors on the other networks.
ABC: Saturday AM Live action shows only (Lizzie/Raven/Power Rangers)
CBS: Sunday Morning, David Letterman, Craig Kilborn, Blues Clues
FOX: American Idol (sometimes)
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By the way, in what year was the current (not '97) mix of the J! theme first used?
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[quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 06:30 PM\'] By the way, in what year was the current (not '97) mix of the J! theme first used? [/quote]
It changed to the current mix sometime in the 2001-02 season IIRC.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 7 2004, 06:42 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 06:30 PM\'] By the way, in what year was the current (not '97) mix of the J! theme first used? [/quote]
It changed to the current mix sometime in the 2001-02 season IIRC. [/quote]
More like the 2000-01 season.
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And the original theme tune of Jeopardy(the Fleming version) was "Take Ten", composed by Julann Griffin, ex-wife of Merv.
About Days of Our Lives.....It's amazing that in the 39 years that show has been on, that hourglass hasn't emptied yet!
I think the ABC animated shows on Saturday have normal credits.....Recess comes to mind.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 7 2004, 12:14 PM\'] 1--The guitar riff that played under Don Pardo's opening ("now entering the studio are today's contestants..."), with the little flute figure as each player sat down.
2--Version one of the theme started up after "These people will compete for cash prizes today on... [supered logo art card zooms in, drum downbeat into part of theme people rememeber if they remember it at all] 'Jeopardy!'"
3--Board opening cue
4--Theme from beginning played as middle fee plug cue, ending with "we'll return to Art Fleming and the Double Jeopardy! portion of our game after this important message..."
5--Repeat board opening cue for DJ!
6--The FJ! think cue
7--Backtimed theme, usually fading in as Fleming's doing his signoff "...so join us again in the morning--have a good day!" No matter if a long or short roll, it always ended on the fade.
And the Musicians' Union turntable operator usually cued up two audio Daily Doubles out of three from about 1968 on. [/quote]
Well done! You have it all playing in my head. And for some of the years Pardo's intonation at your point #4 (which he told me he did in one breath:
"ThenewmajorEncyclopediaInternationalfromGrolierIncorporatedisthesourceauthorityforthepreparationofquestionsandanswersusedonJeopardy".
"We'll return to play Double Jeopardy in just a moment" ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'May 7 2004, 04:18 PM\']
All network shows on NBC, UPN & WB have split screen credits while these are the sole survivors on the other networks.
CBS: Sumday Morning, David Letterman, Craig Kilborn, Blues Clues
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For a very brief time, I had an HDTV tuner box with an antenna attached to my HD set and chanced to watch an episode of "The King Of Queens" and the end of an "Everybody Loves Raymond" ep on UHF Channel 45 which is what Omaha's KMTV-3 uses for its OTA HD signal. Both shows ended with the full credits in HD, whereas the analog version in 4.3 retained the split screen credits. It happens on ABC in HD quite a bit as well.
I had to switch to digital cable with the HD tier shortly thereafter in order to avoid the freeze-ups and fades I was getting on the NBC station (and to get GSN as well), but had to sacrifice CBS in HD because of the impasse KMTV and Cox Cable are at regarding retransmission fees. For the time being it doesn't matter, as Letterman and Craiggers are about the only CBS shows I watch on a regular basis, and they're not in HD yet.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'May 7 2004, 02:17 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowsteve\' date=\'May 7 2004, 01:49 PM\'] [quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' date=\'May 7 2004, 11:14 AM\']I think I'm pretty safe in saying that TPIR's theme is the longest-running in game show history without any type of remake, remix, etc. (otherwise, J! would take the cake).[/quote]
No, it wouldn't. 1972-present is longer than 1984-present, or at least it was last time I checked.
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Hasn't J!'s theme been redone at least once since they restarted the franchise in 1984? While the tune is still the same, the mix clearly isn't.
Doug -- soon to celebrate 500 posts [/quote]
yes, several times.
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I think the Bongo theme started in 1991 or thereabouts was the first J! theme change. Then around 1996 or 1997, they worked a new opening to the theme. By 2003, it was reworked again. That's al least 3 changes to the J! theme I know of.
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[quote name=\'JCGames\' date=\'May 7 2004, 08:26 PM\'] I think the ABC animated shows on Saturday have normal credits.....Recess comes to mind. [/quote]
You are wrong! All ABC animated shows (Lilo & Stitch, Fillmore, Recess, Proud Family & Kim Possible) have switch to split screen credits starting in 2004.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 7 2004, 12:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 7 2004, 01:38 PM\'] I was thinking maybe "Days of Our Lives," but I haven't seen it in ages. Is MacDonald Carey still in the opening? [/quote]
Mac's voice is still heard during the open, but the part where he identifies himself ("This is Macdonald Carey and these are the days of our lives") was removed when he died in 1994. The opening music was remixed in 1993 when they began showing a turning hourglass. [/quote]
And the "DOOL" opening music will be remixed again as of May 24, apparently to mark the bizarre plot twist that has sprung from the brain of head writer James E. Reilly. Still the same hourglass animation, still Macdonald Carey.
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'May 7 2004, 05:18 PM\'] All network shows on NBC, UPN & WB have split screen credits while these are the sole survivors on the other networks.
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AFAIK, "Saturday Night Live" is still full-screen credits.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'May 15 2004, 06:27 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'May 7 2004, 05:18 PM\'] All network shows on NBC, UPN & WB have split screen credits while these are the sole survivors on the other networks.
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AFAIK, "Saturday Night Live" is still full-screen credits. [/quote]
Simply because Lorne Michaels knows the power of reruns.
But UPN and WB shows do have full credits on their secondary feeds; it's the other way around though for UPN (the production company logo followed by the credits).
And live specials on ABC (Academy Awards, Miss America pageant, American Music Awards, Primetime Emmys) and Fox (Billboard Awards, Primetime Emmys) also don't go to split-screen credit mode as well.
Jonathan Allen
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[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' date=\'May 16 2004, 03:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'May 15 2004, 06:27 PM\'] AFAIK, "Saturday Night Live" is still full-screen credits. [/quote]
Simply because Lorne Michaels knows the power of reruns.
But UPN and WB shows do have full credits on their secondary feeds; it's the other way around though for UPN (the production company logo followed by the credits).
And live specials on ABC (Academy Awards, Miss America pageant, American Music Awards, Primetime Emmys) and Fox (Billboard Awards, Primetime Emmys) also don't go to split-screen credit mode as well.
Jonathan Allen [/quote]
In terms of series, live editions of American Idol have full-screen credits, but pre-recorded shows (like preliminary auditions and specials) have split-screen credits. The last instance of full-screen credits I've seen on a scripted series was the episode of 8 Simple Rules that addressed John Ritter's death (kudos to ABC for that). BTW, I just got the first season of Survivor on DVD and the credits are split-screen, but in the show's typeface. CBS replaced them with their generic roll when they aired it in 2000.
One other credit-on-competition-show note: When CNBC repurposed the finale of The Apprentice, they left in NBC's complete generic roll, with commercials over the NBC promos.
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Way late to the party here...I just got called out of the audience to play. Anyway, going back a few posts, a note about Price's theme:
I'm pretty sure the pitch change was not a result of a remix so much as a redub at the proper speed. If any of you have shows from the late '70s (especially 1979), you'll notice the theme played as much as a whole note lower than it does now. Match Game had the same problem all through its run. It NEVER ran at full speed. A few years after "music supervisor" Michael Malone left, the problem went away and things started to sound good. In fact, from about 1986-1989 or so, some themes played just a little bit fast. Comapre a 1985 episode of Pyramid to one from 1987 to hear a good example of the difference.
And yes, I agree Price's theme is the longest running original theme. Yay to Score Productions!