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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: cmjb13 on April 30, 2004, 04:24:20 PM
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 01:24 PM\'] Warning: Not for 56k'ers
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Interesting. Are those Rich's cans, or are those provided to him by the show? I always like to see what kinds of headsets the pros use. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:31 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 01:24 PM\'] Warning: Not for 56k'ers
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Interesting. Are those Rich's cans, or are those provided to him by the show? I always like to see what kinds of headsets the pros use. :) [/quote]
I'm pretty sure those are provided to him.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 01:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:31 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 01:24 PM\'] Warning: Not for 56k'ers
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Interesting. Are those Rich's cans, or are those provided to him by the show? I always like to see what kinds of headsets the pros use. :) [/quote]
I'm pretty sure those are provided to him. [/quote]
Mm-kay. Potentially badly-worded question, let me elaborate: does he have a say in the brand and model of those headsets? IIRC I was pleased to find out that Randy and I use the same Sony's, and if those are Rich's personal preference, I'd like to know more about what they are.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:24 PM\'] Warning: Not for 56k'ers
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Very rare to see test patterns on on Rich's monitor anymore.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 01:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:31 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 01:24 PM\'] Warning: Not for 56k'ers
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Interesting. Are those Rich's cans, or are those provided to him by the show? I always like to see what kinds of headsets the pros use. :) [/quote]
I'm pretty sure those are provided to him. [/quote]
Mm-kay. Potentially badly-worded question, let me elaborate: does he have a say in the brand and model of those headsets? IIRC I was pleased to find out that Randy and I use the same Sony's, and if those are Rich's personal preference, I'd like to know more about what they are. [/quote]
Good question that I could not give you a concrete answer to. Although FWIW, it does have a pencil sharpener built into it.
No need to ask me again about Rich's cans. I haven't gotten that close to him to look.
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Mm-kay. Potentially badly-worded question, let me elaborate: does he have a say in the brand and model of those headsets? IIRC I was pleased to find out that Randy and I use the same Sony's, and if those are Rich's personal preference, I'd like to know more about what they are.
I've always used Sennheisers myself. I bought a pair of open air cans a couple of years ago... they sound great... they're light... and they've done me very well. However... they take some getting used to... you get too close to the mic... you'll get a nasty case of feedback out on the air.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 12:37 PM\']IIRC I was pleased to find out that Randy and I use the same Sony's, and if those are Rich's personal preference, I'd like to know more about what they are.[/quote]
Always happy to answer a question, Chris.
First, kudos to Dirk at "Price". Dirk replaced the previous audio mixer, another person named Chris, late in 2003 after some difficulties/disagreements about the audio mix being fed to the stage. Dirk came to the show with new enthusiasm and an awesome attitude. For my money that whole audio department at "Price" is the best of all the LA production facilities and is staffed by the best in the business. Early on Dirk set out to improve some crosstalk/"bleed" affecting the PL (the "intercom" between the booth and folks on the floor) and some hum/noise in the line carrying the program audio back to the announce headphones.
His fix was awesome, but required some new equipment including a new headphone amplifier that had to be strapped to the side of the old podium - there was simply no more room inside the old podium. Dirk suggested a replacement for the podium and asked me to work with him to be certain that a new podium would be "user friendly" to the announcer. We looked at other similar custom designs done at the CBS shop, including one for a producer's podium at the Killborn show.
With the new podium Dirk got the added space he needed for the engineering upgrades. We re-evaluated everything about the old podium to keep the best of the previous design and add some ergonomic upgrades. Some improvements are as simple as making the podium wider to hold the additional page of copy for the prize descriptions and showcase scripts that continue onto a second page. Some improvements are more complex involving the angle of the copy stand to minimize glare, and the position of the various controls the announcer may need to adjust while reading... headphone level, PL level, etc.
We incorporated the "hot spot" speaker that had been on a stand adjacent to the podium for sound reinforcement; it's now mounted in the podium between the announcer's legs. We moved the small press-to-talk mic for speaking to the booth to make it more handy, and repositioned where the mic goose neck is connected to the podium to try to keep it out of the line of sight while reading. We also decided that the whole face of the podium needed to be covered with clear plexiglass; it will help to stop the daily loss of pencils that found their way in the space around the perimeter of the monitor, give a flat surface for the pages of copy, and make it easiest to keep clean. When that podium spends a few days stored with the sets when the studio is used by other shows it comes back pretty dusty. And hey, there's gotta be a better place to rest a cup of water - in my mind, Dirk and I never really resolved that water issue!
To my mind, the hardest part of the whole job was trying to figure out a way to incorporate some of the original podium from 1972. Rod had made an extra effort to be certain that a lot of Johnny remained on the set throughout his tenure. Sadly, that never happened with the design of this new podium.
Chris.... the headphones and all the equipment is CBS'. There were 3 existing options presented to me when I came on board in May of '03: Rod's IFB, the Sennheiser "open air" yellow headphones that Rod used during rehearsals, or the Sony "studio monitor" black headphones. As apparently Rich also did, I chose the Sony phones. The sound quality is far better than the other 2 options, and for those of us with "disc jockey ear" who like the volume up high, the Sennheisers are bad news because they are prone to feedback because of the open design.
Again, kudos to Dirk who came up with the idea for the new podium and spent months planning, sketching and selling the idea. I really enjoyed working with him on the project.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 05:13 PM\'] The hardest part was trying to figure out a way to incorporate some of the original podium from 1972; Rod had made an extra effort to be certain that a lot of Johnny remained on the set throughout his tenure. Sadly, that never happened with this new podium.
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Randy --
What part of the 72 podium would you have included?
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Randy, you're right about the Sony Studio Monitors. The sound quality is far above anything else I've found.
What model headphones are your preference? (Mine's the MDR-V150, if anyone's curious).
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Randy, you're right about the Sony Studio Monitors. The sound quality is far above anything else I've found. What model headphones are your preference? (Mine's the MDR-V150, if anyone's curious).
RFW, I'm sitting here in my little home studio with a Sennheiser MKH416 mic and the Sony MDR V-6 phones. The best sounding equipment for VO, and standards of the industry (the mic is used for voicing promos at CBS, FOX, and the majority of VO recording studios in town)
[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:09 PM\'] Randy --
What part of the 72 podium would you have included? [/quote]
The podium became so associated with Rod that it was placed center stage at 33 with other items of Rod's for his memorial service at CBS.
The most obvious way to pay homage to both Johnny and Rod seemed to me to be the simplest also. That is, to use the most visible part of the podium, the grooved ebony exterior with the silver foil. While the new podium needed to be larger, the existing rear panel could be attached to the new frame, with additional matching grooved ebony added adjacent to the existing.
That exterior is all deeply grooved vertical ribbing (like very wide and deep corderoy fabric) with silver foiled pasted to the ribs. It's all grooved, so seams would be invisible. And as the existing foil is ripped and in need of replacement anyway, that too would match perfectly. It's a classy look, and would be instantly recognized by anybody familiar with the old podium.
The thinking from the art department was that a new podium should blend with the existing set, and that makes a ton of sense. The look and color from the green around the doors was first suggested. I then thought that the part of Johnny's podium that could be easily kept would be the ebony wood surface that the copy rests against. It's in perfect condition, is visible only to the announcer (and any people over his shoulder), and it's the most "personal" part of the whole podium - we've all spit on it!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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What kind of finish is on the side of the podium?
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[quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'May 1 2004, 03:45 AM\'] What kind of finish is on the side of the podium? [/quote]
I believe it's wood just covered with some sort of gold flaking material.
Looks like the same material used on the turntable.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 06:13 PM\'] Chris.... the headphones and all the equipment is CBS'. There were 3 existing options presented to me when I came on board in May of '93: Rod's IFB, the Sennheiser "open air" yellow headphones that Rod used during rehearsals, or the Sony "studio monitor" black headphones. As apparently Rich also did, I chose the Sony phones. The sound quality is far better than the other 2 options, and for those of us with "disc jockey ear" who like the volume up high, the Sennheisers are prone to feedback because of the open design. [/quote]
I could never understand anyone using Sennheisers when I worked in radio eons ago. They just felt flimsy. I had a pretty good pair of fairly high-end consumer headphones when I did my radio jobs - they were just heavy enough to be unobtrusive, the sound didn't bleed like with Senn's, and I didn't look like I was answering questions on "Tattletales" when I wore them. I had to replace the 1/4" jack a few times, but that was it. Unfortunately, I had to plug those phones into mixer boards which were left over from the days of Marconi!
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Rich used to use AKG's when I knew him in Tampa.
I personally love the ol' standard Koss Pro 4AA's, but those would look silly if on camera.
Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? I've only seen one episode with Rich as announcer. It was really cool. I was like... "wow, I used to work with this guy"... and a good guy he is.
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Jack Shell Productions
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[quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
Fremantle stopped doing that on Price a while back... I'm guessing 2000-ish. I'm sure someone here knows the date. Anyway, they said they "wanted uniformity accross all [their] international versions" or some typical BS to that effect. That's the same "reason" the old $50,000 Plinko sign was retired.
So, to answer, your question, no.
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[quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
They don't show him directly on camera, but once in a while you'll catch a glimpse of him when a contestant approaches the turntable.
Fremantle stopped doing that on Price a while back... I'm guessing 2000-ish.
Around 2002.
Anyway, they said they "wanted uniformity accross all [their] international versions" or some typical BS to that effect. That's the same "reason" the old $50,000 Plinko sign was retired.
I don't know where you heard that from, but it's not true. It was a combination of Bart not liking it, taking too long to turn, and missing a contestants reaction. Why Bart stopped liking it after being used the same way for 20+ years, I don't know.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'May 19 2004, 05:18 AM\'] [quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
They don't show him directly on camera, but once in a while you'll catch a glimpse of him when a contestant approaches the turntable.
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Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable? They look a little different than what used to be done.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 19 2004, 08:00 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'May 19 2004, 05:18 AM\'] [quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
They don't show him directly on camera, but once in a while you'll catch a glimpse of him when a contestant approaches the turntable.
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Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable? They look a little different than what used to be done. [/quote]
They have and they look very good.
One of my favorite shots, although you'll never see it on TV, is after the 1st Showcase Showdown. They have a camera near door #3 with a shot that includes the contestant standing under the sign, the side of the big wheel, Barker, and some of the turntable.
Too bad they won't use it on the air.
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Rod's last regular appearance at his podium was on the Season 30 finale.
[quote name=\'zachhoran\']Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable?[/quote]
Yes...and they're awful.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'May 19 2004, 01:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'zachhoran\']Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable?[/quote]
Yes...and they're awful. [/quote]
How will this affect, if at all, the way the coming around of Bonus Game is shot.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 19 2004, 07:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'May 19 2004, 01:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'zachhoran\']Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable?[/quote]
Yes...and they're awful. [/quote]
How will this affect, if at all, the way the coming around of Bonus Game is shot. [/quote]
Heck if I know.
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Mr Fields was seen on camera with the his new 'fan club'.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 19 2004, 07:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'May 19 2004, 01:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'zachhoran\']Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable?[/quote]
Yes...and they're awful. [/quote]
How will this affect, if at all, the way the coming around of Bonus Game is shot. [/quote]
The only new turntable angle shot I've seen is when they are approaching the turntable, the camera is slightly more to the right aimed at an angle, and then moves into normal position once Barker and the contestant arrive.
Bonus game will probably be left alone considering how odd it would be with any other angle combined with how infrequently they play it.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'May 20 2004, 05:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 19 2004, 07:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'May 19 2004, 01:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'zachhoran\']Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable?[/quote]
Yes...and they're awful. [/quote]
How will this affect, if at all, the way the coming around of Bonus Game is shot. [/quote]
The only new turntable angle shot I've seen is when they are approaching the turntable, the camera is slightly more to the right aimed at an angle, and then moves into normal position once Barker and the contestant arrive.
Bonus game will probably be left alone considering how odd it would be with any other angle combined with how infrequently they play it. [/quote]
Bonus Game - infrequent? It's gotten the most play this Season it has in years, with much happiness to some fans. Considering it's been played the same amount as Hole In One, I can't see how it's "infrequent."
As for the camera shot, it's strange. If you've even noticed, Bob will enter the turntable from the area of the slate and walk around the edge closest to the wall, as the camera pans around from the "parallel shot" of the wall. It was kinda cool, until a contestant walked right up the steps like was done for years and almost cut Bob off the other day. Strange.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' date=\'May 20 2004, 08:37 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'May 20 2004, 05:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 19 2004, 07:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'May 19 2004, 01:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'zachhoran\']Is it just me, or has the daytime show implemented new camera angles when the contestants go to the turntable?[/quote]
Yes...and they're awful. [/quote]
How will this affect, if at all, the way the coming around of Bonus Game is shot. [/quote]
The only new turntable angle shot I've seen is when they are approaching the turntable, the camera is slightly more to the right aimed at an angle, and then moves into normal position once Barker and the contestant arrive.
Bonus game will probably be left alone considering how odd it would be with any other angle combined with how infrequently they play it. [/quote]
Bonus Game - infrequent? It's gotten the most play this Season it has in years, with much happiness to some fans. Considering it's been played the same amount as Hole In One, I can't see how it's "infrequent."
As for the camera shot, it's strange. If you've even noticed, Bob will enter the turntable from the area of the slate and walk around the edge closest to the wall, as the camera pans around from the "parallel shot" of the wall. It was kinda cool, until a contestant walked right up the steps like was done for years and almost cut Bob off the other day. Strange. [/quote]
I didn't say it was the most infrequent game played, although it is infrequently played compared to other games (games that are played more and less)
To me, it's infrequent. To you, it's not.
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[quote name=\'Gus\' date=\'May 18 2004, 08:35 PM\'][quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
Fremantle stopped doing that on Price a while back... I'm guessing 2000-ish. I'm sure someone here knows the date. Anyway, they said they "wanted uniformity accross all [their] international versions" or some typical BS to that effect. That's the same "reason" the old $50,000 Plinko sign was retired....[/quote]
That's why they got a rid of the sign? How stupid. So, is it still sitting backstage or was it scrapped already?
-Dan
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' date=\'May 21 2004, 07:25 AM\'] [quote name=\'Gus\' date=\'May 18 2004, 08:35 PM\'][quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
Fremantle stopped doing that on Price a while back... I'm guessing 2000-ish. I'm sure someone here knows the date. Anyway, they said they "wanted uniformity accross all [their] international versions" or some typical BS to that effect. That's the same "reason" the old $50,000 Plinko sign was retired....[/quote]
That's why they got a rid of the sign? How stupid. So, is it still sitting backstage or was it scrapped already?
-Dan [/quote]
Again, that's NOT why they got rid of the sign. As well, the sign was still floating around as of March.
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' date=\'May 21 2004, 08:25 AM\'] [quote name=\'Gus\' date=\'May 18 2004, 08:35 PM\'][quote name=\'radioboy949\' date=\'May 18 2004, 06:57 PM\'] Is Rich on camera like Rod Roddy was? [/quote]
Fremantle stopped doing that on Price a while back... I'm guessing 2000-ish. I'm sure someone here knows the date. Anyway, they said they "wanted uniformity accross all [their] international versions" or some typical BS to that effect. That's the same "reason" the old $50,000 Plinko sign was retired....[/quote]
That's why they got a rid of the sign? How stupid. So, is it still sitting backstage or was it scrapped already?
-Dan [/quote]
Read my response a few messages back in this thread.
The answer lies there.