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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: TravisP on April 30, 2004, 05:49:42 AM
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I know there have been reserve hosts for some shows like TPIR as a one-off, but were there any shows which had one host presenting it for half/two-thirds of one series for another (Reserve) host to take over and host it for the remainder of the duration, I'm not talking about co-hosts.
Reason I ask is that The Vault is set to return on May 11th running for seventeen weeks (Doubled to last year) in the UK. (ITV1's other big money game show and summer filler for Millionaire?) with Melanie Sykes returning to the role, however she is seven months pregnant and is expecting her second child in July but the show is set to finish on 31st August but no-news is mentioned whether a stand-by presenter is going to take over. Davina McCall is a possibility as she hosted back in 2002.
BTW did Vanna White ever had a replacement on Wheel while she was pregnant?
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You mean like Bob Clayton for Hugh Downs, Larry Blyden for Bill Leyden and/or Sonny Fox and/or Wally Bruner, Joe Garagiola for Jack Kelly, etc? I don't think there has been a pregnant host on a US game show. As for one host taking over for another for one show, I remember Patti Deutsch's husband Donald Ross filling in for Bert Convy on "Tattletales" for a third of the show, then Bert for the rest.
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:49 AM\']
BTW did Vanna White ever had a replacement on Wheel while she was pregnant? [/quote]
Nope, her two kids were born while WOF was on their taping hiatus. Vanna missed three weeks of shows IIRC(this was long before her pregnancies): One week of daytime shows in June 1986(Sue Stafford filled in for that Teen Week) when Vanna's significant other of the time was killed in a plane crash, and two weeks in early 1991 upon her marriage(they have since split up I believe; Tricia Gist filled in for Vanna on those weeks)
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:49 AM\'] I know there have been reserve hosts for some shows like TPIR as a one-off, but were there any shows which had one host presenting it for half/two-thirds of one series for another (Reserve) host to take over and host it for the remainder of the duration, I'm not talking about co-hosts.
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During the final years of Jack Barry's life in the early 80s, Jack would have Jim Peck come in as the "Mid-Season Replacement" on The Jokers Wild.
Not exactly sure how many seasons this was done or the # of weeks out of the season that Jim worked, though.
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Some of the hosts needed backups -- Hugh Downs hosted Concentration for seven years while also on Today, and there were occasions when the latter went out of town for shows. (Read Seven Glorious Days, Seven Fun-Filled Nights, where Today is on location in San Diego, while Hugh is still in New York on Concentration -- only to note he'll be off the show the next week with Bob Clayton minding the store.)
Carol Merrill worked through nearly her full pregnancy on LMaD. Did Lacey Pemberton take any time off from Card Sharks when she had her kid?
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Going back to the original post, the poster mentioned something about substitute hosts on TPIR. On the Cullen version, there were several hosts that filled in when Bill is either sick, on vacation, or on special assignment for another program -- according to the "Encyclopedia", Bills subs were Jack Clark, Bob Kennedy, Johnny Gilbert, Sonny Fox, Sam Levenson, Merv Griffin, Robert Q. Lewis, Jack Narz, Arlene Francis and Don Pardo.
On the Barker version -- Dennis James, the host of the early-1970s syndie version, subbed for Bob on CBS around Christmas 1974. I think that was the only time someone else other than Bob hosted the CBS Price. These days, if Bob needed to take more time off, they reschedule the tapings and, if need be, schedule reruns instead of new shows.
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If TPIR did a sub host bit in 1974 with Dennis James, I wondered if any of the models(Barker's Beauties) needed time off due to pregnancy or other reasons?
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 1 2004, 02:43 AM\'] If TPIR did a sub host bit in 1974 with Dennis James, I wondered if any of the models(Barker's Beauties) needed time off due to pregnancy or other reasons? [/quote]
No, Dennis was married.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 10:26 PM\'] Did Lacey Pemberton take any time off from Card Sharks when she had her kid? [/quote]
Yes, she took a bit of time off, Karen Thomas of $1 Mil CoaL and Kyle Aletter(Lee Meriwether's daughter and 80s stand-in TPIR model) were among the fill-ins.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 1 2004, 05:08 AM\'] [quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 1 2004, 02:43 AM\'] If TPIR did a sub host bit in 1974 with Dennis James, I wondered if any of the models(Barker's Beauties) needed time off due to pregnancy or other reasons? [/quote]
No, Dennis was married. [/quote]
From Mr. Mom:
Annette (Miriam Flynn): [sing-song voice, after Michael Keaton runs off] He's married!
Joan (Ann Jillian): [higher-pitched sing-song voice] So were we, once!
I don't think any of the original TPIR models had kids, did they?
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Bill Cullen pinched hit for Allen Ludden sometime during Password Plus I think
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'May 1 2004, 03:43 AM\'] If TPIR did a sub host bit in 1974 with Dennis James, I wondered if any of the models(Barker's Beauties) needed time off due to pregnancy or other reasons? [/quote]
Janice's camera incident, which was in 1988 IIRC, is one instance..
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[quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'May 1 2004, 08:39 AM\'] Bill Cullen pinched hit for Allen Ludden sometime during Password Plus I think [/quote]
You are correct, sir. Ludden took four weeks off in April and May 1980 and Cullen filled in for him. Meanwhile, Geoff Edwards filled in on CHAIN REACTION for Cullen for those weeks.
Doug
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Jack Parr sub on Password in the 60's once?
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'May 1 2004, 01:32 PM\'] [quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'May 1 2004, 08:39 AM\'] Bill Cullen pinched hit for Allen Ludden sometime during Password Plus I think [/quote]
You are correct, sir. Ludden took four weeks off in April and May 1980 and Cullen filled in for him. Meanwhile, Geoff Edwards filled in on CHAIN REACTION for Cullen for those weeks.
Doug [/quote]
Funny how those four weeks led to a five year gig.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Jack Paar sub on Password in the 60's once?
Nope. you're probably thinking of Jack CLARK, who DID pinch-hit for Allen on Password a few times.
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Loretta Swit of the Big Board!'
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 1 2004, 03:21 PM\']
Funny how those four weeks led to a five year gig. [/quote]
Geoff did only two weeks of CR. ANyway, wasn't the firing of the less-than-stellar Blake Emmons part of the reason Geoff got the USA CR gig?
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'May 1 2004, 06:20 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 1 2004, 03:21 PM\']
Funny how those four weeks led to a five year gig. [/quote]
Geoff did only two weeks of CR. ANyway, wasn't the firing of the less-than-stellar Blake Emmons part of the reason Geoff got the USA CR gig? [/quote]
I agree Blake sucked.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 09:59 PM\'] [quote name=\'TravisP\' date=\'Apr 30 2004, 04:49 AM\'] I know there have been reserve hosts for some shows like TPIR as a one-off, but were there any shows which had one host presenting it for half/two-thirds of one series for another (Reserve) host to take over and host it for the remainder of the duration, I'm not talking about co-hosts.
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During the final years of Jack Barry's life in the early 80s, Jack would have Jim Peck come in as the "Mid-Season Replacement" on The Jokers Wild.
Not exactly sure how many seasons this was done or the # of weeks out of the season that Jim worked, though. [/quote]
It depends. Jack Barry would take two, sometimes four or even six weeks off (no more than two at once) -- Jim filled in for Jack twice during the 82-83 season (including episodes in which the chase lights were in the NBC sequence).
Jim began filling in for Jack in towards the end of the 1980-81 season, so I'm guessing at least four seasons Jim would fill in for Jack for two weeks or more. Jim did fill in for Bill Cullen during the final season of Joker in '85-'86.
I still feel Jim Peck should've taken over as host permanently. Even Jack wanted to pass the torch to Jim upon his retirement.
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[quote name=\'WorldClassRob\' date=\'May 1 2004, 10:32 PM\']
I still feel Jim Peck should've taken over as host permanently. Even Jack wanted to pass the torch to Jim upon his retirement. [/quote]
Jim probably should have taken over by the 1981-82 season with the neon-era set debut. Jack looked a little tired toward the end of the run,
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Do you think if Jim had taken over for Jack, instead of Bill in 84, that the show would have ran longer then it did after Jack left?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'May 2 2004, 10:44 AM\'] Do you think if Jim had taken over for Jack, instead of Bill in 84, that the show would have ran longer then it did after Jack left? [/quote]
The show would have lasted just two more years no matter who hosted. As a fan of both Jim and Bill, things worked out well for both gentlemen. Jim went on to his most popular and longest running series and Bill did a great job on TJW. A win-win for all.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 2 2004, 11:53 AM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'May 2 2004, 10:44 AM\'] Do you think if Jim had taken over for Jack, instead of Bill in 84, that the show would have ran longer then it did after Jack left? [/quote]
The show would have lasted just two more years no matter who hosted. As a fan of both Jim and Bill, things worked out well for both gentlemen. Jim went on to his most popular and longest running series and Bill did a great job on TJW. A win-win for all. [/quote]
I didn't know Divorce Court was that popular; how long did the original run last?
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There had been one or two other DC's before Jim's. I believe his DC gig ran from 1982-87. It was then taken over by Martha Smith for about another year. For the younger folks, while the current DC uses real cases, the older DC used dramatizations with a twist....no one knew the outcome of the case in advance (only Judge William B. Keene did).
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 2 2004, 02:55 PM\'] There had been one or two other DC's before Jim's. I believe his DC gig ran from 1982-87. It was then taken over by Martha Smith for about another year. For the younger folks, while the current DC uses real cases, the older DC used dramatizations with a twist....no one knew the outcome of the case in advance (only Judge William B. Keene did). [/quote]
That would explain why Jim wasn't offered TJW when Barry died. He was already committed to DC for a long term. I can only *guess* that if Jim Peck was available full time they'd have given him the job. TJW though, was a show they could have somewhat worked around his DC schedule, but I doubt that the producers wanted him potentially competing with himself.
This begs another question, in the Syndicated GS world, with the advent of 5 day a week strips, weren't there windows that a show could be aired in? For example, stations that had Feud couldn't (until 1992?) air Combs or Dawson Syndie prior to a given time, which I think was 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and I'm assuming the same held true for the once-a-week versions. (eg, MGPM couldn't air until 6 or 7pm and so on..)
I know there's a clause in the Meredith WWTBAM contracts that prohibits a station from running it in primetime (if the Regis version is airing, if its not on, then they're free to do so). I think a station in Florida was running it during primetime when they dumped CBS to go indie.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'May 2 2004, 05:39 PM\']
This begs another question, in the Syndicated GS world, with the advent of 5 day a week strips, weren't there windows that a show could be aired in? For example, stations that had Feud couldn't (until 1992?) air Combs or Dawson Syndie prior to a given time, which I think was 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and I'm assuming the same held true for the once-a-week versions. (eg, MGPM couldn't air until 6 or 7pm and so on..)
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That was the case with most game shows having network daytime and nighttime syndicated versions concurrently. Two 90s counterexamples: In 1992-93, KDKA(CBS in Pittsburgh) aired another syndicated program instead of Family Feud Challenge, but WPXI aired the Syndie version at 10AM. In January 1995, WCAU(then CBS in Philly, now NBC) aired the daytime TPIR at 11AM EST, and WTXF(Fox) aired the Davidson TPIR at Noon weekdays for a few weeks.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'May 2 2004, 05:39 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 2 2004, 02:55 PM\'] There had been one or two other DC's before Jim's. I believe his DC gig ran from 1982-87. It was then taken over by Martha Smith for about another year. For the younger folks, while the current DC uses real cases, the older DC used dramatizations with a twist....no one knew the outcome of the case in advance (only Judge William B. Keene did). [/quote]
That would explain why Jim wasn't offered TJW when Barry died. He was already committed to DC for a long term. I can only *guess* that if Jim Peck was available full time they'd have given him the job. TJW though, was a show they could have somewhat worked around his DC schedule, but I doubt that the producers wanted him potentially competing with himself.
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Good theory, but based on the evidence I have, Divorce Court started later than that -- 1984 according to The Encyclopedia of Daytime Television, 1986 according to Total Television and IMDB.com (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0669677/\") (Jim's made a few movies, apparently).
Time to dig up the old TV Guides...
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 2 2004, 02:55 PM\']There had been one or two other DC's before Jim's. I believe his DC gig ran from 1982-87. It was then taken over by Martha Smith for about another year. For the younger folks, while the current DC uses real cases, the older DC used dramatizations with a twist....no one knew the outcome of the case in advance (only Judge William B. Keene did).[/quote]
Also, the while the litigants were actors, actual attorneys presented the cases to the actual (retired) Judge Keene (and his predecessors in the previous versions).
For the record, in the 80s court strip boom "The Judge" and "Superior Court" were also dramatizations--however, those shows used actors entirely. Actor Bob Franklin had played "The Judge" for over a decade on local Columbus, OH television before the show went national.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 3 2004, 05:53 PM\'] For the record, in the 80s court strip boom "The Judge" and "Superior Court" were also dramatizations--however, those shows used actors entirely. Actor Bob Franklin had played "The Judge" for over a decade on local Columbus, OH television before the show went national. [/quote]
ObGS: Genesis Entertainment, which syndicated The Judge, also distributed the nighttime $ale of the Century.
. o O ( Phil Collins never worked for said company. )
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Good theory, but based on the evidence I have, Divorce Court started later than that -- 1984 according to The Encyclopedia of Daytime Television, 1986 according to Total Television and IMDB.com (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0669677/\") (Jim's made a few movies, apparently).
Time to dig up the old TV Guides... [/QUOTE]
That's a different Jim Peck (making the flicks, that is). Thanks to a 1991 TV Guide listing in the GUEST CAST section [now there's a reference to days gone by] I was expecting the star of Hot Seat to be playing a priest on an episode of In The Heat Of The Night as the mag said Jim Peck would be filling this guest role. Same name, different dude. Just like the host of the Joker's Wild remake did not play George Wendt's brother on his 1994 sitcom.
Yes, the Divorce Court reincarnation premiered in 1984.
No, I don't know how I botched up the quotes feature for this reply.
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One host that hasn't been mentioned is Herb Shriner, who took three consecutive summers off on TftM. Walter O'Keefe filled in in 54 (and Herb appeared as a contestant on Walter's last show). Sam Levenson filled in in 55 and 56 and took over in when the show resumed in 57. (GSN did not get far enough in the run to show the Levenson eps.)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 3 2004, 04:53 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 2 2004, 02:55 PM\']There had been one or two other DC's before Jim's. I believe his DC gig ran from 1982-87. It was then taken over by Martha Smith for about another year. For the younger folks, while the current DC uses real cases, the older DC used dramatizations with a twist....no one knew the outcome of the case in advance (only Judge William B. Keene did).[/quote]
Also, the while the litigants were actors, actual attorneys presented the cases to the actual (retired) Judge Keene (and his predecessors in the previous versions).
For the record, in the 80s court strip boom "The Judge" and "Superior Court" were also dramatizations--however, those shows used actors entirely. Actor Bob Franklin had played "The Judge" for over a decade on local Columbus, OH television before the show went national. [/quote]
I hate to nitpick (frankly we all do.......) but being a big fan of "The Judge" I have to say the guy playing Judge Franklin was a guy named Bob Shield. Yeah, I knew about "The Judge" and "Superior Court" using actors (though two years of "SC" used former judges as their judges. In fact the '87-'88 season had two (Jill Jakes and Louis M. Welch.)
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 3 2004, 11:13 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 3 2004, 04:53 PM\'] For the record, in the 80s court strip boom "The Judge" and "Superior Court" were also dramatizations--however, those shows used actors entirely. Actor Bob Franklin had played "The Judge" for over a decade on local Columbus, OH television before the show went national. [/quote]
I hate to nitpick (frankly we all do.......) but being a big fan of "The Judge" I have to say the guy playing Judge Franklin was a guy named Bob Shield.
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Well, it's been a while. :)
And talk about shows with no rerun potential--at least game shows got rerun potential in cable--to a certain extent.
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And then you had that court block before the game block...........
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 4 2004, 01:37 PM\']
I hate to nitpick (frankly we all do.......) but being a big fan of "The Judge" I have to say the guy playing Judge Franklin was a guy named Bob Shield.
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Well, it's been a while. :)
And talk about shows with no rerun potential--at least game shows got rerun potential in cable--to a certain extent. [/quote]
USA reran Wapner People's Court(albeit USA Live-ized) from 1995-97, and they reran the Judge and SUperior Court for a spell in the early 90s IIRC.
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Do you think if Jim had taken over for Jack, instead of Bill in 84, that the show would have ran longer then it did after Jack left?
No, since the show was pretty much in the toilet ratings-wise by that point, it wouldn't have mattered if they brought back Allen Ludden from the dead to host.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Same name, different dude. Just like the host of the Joker's Wild remake did not play George Wendt's brother on his 1994 sitcom.
Or like how the host of Sports On Tap (and later the 1996 CS pilot) didn't become an MTV host w/a penchant for outrageous Letterman-type stunts.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'May 2 2004, 07:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'May 2 2004, 05:39 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'May 2 2004, 02:55 PM\'] There had been one or two other DC's before Jim's. I believe his DC gig ran from 1982-87. It was then taken over by Martha Smith for about another year. For the younger folks, while the current DC uses real cases, the older DC used dramatizations with a twist....no one knew the outcome of the case in advance (only Judge William B. Keene did). [/quote]
That would explain why Jim wasn't offered TJW when Barry died. He was already committed to DC for a long term. I can only *guess* that if Jim Peck was available full time they'd have given him the job. TJW though, was a show they could have somewhat worked around his DC schedule, but I doubt that the producers wanted him potentially competing with himself.
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Good theory, but based on the evidence I have, Divorce Court started later than that -- 1984 according to The Encyclopedia of Daytime Television, 1986 according to Total Television and IMDB.com (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0669677/\") (Jim's made a few movies, apparently).
Time to dig up the old TV Guides... [/quote]
At least 1985...I remember reading a "Broadcasting" magazine, talking about the high ratings Divorce Court got in Feb. 1985 sweeps.