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Title: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: SuperMatch93 on July 11, 2025, 01:57:54 AM
In addition to setting a new world record for the most consecutive wins on a game show, Émilien of "12 Coups de Midi" is also the biggest winner in French game show history with over €2,500,000, including twenty-three cars.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/07/entertainment/french-gameshow-winning-streak-ends-intl-scli (https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/07/entertainment/french-gameshow-winning-streak-ends-intl-scli)
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: PYLclark86 on July 11, 2025, 02:22:44 AM
I appreciate CNN's elaborate description of the show:

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In the show, four contestants compete in a general knowledge quiz. The winner then answers a series of questions to determine their prize pot for that day, before returning to take on a new slate of opponents the day after.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: Setsunael on July 11, 2025, 04:51:50 AM
Some insights/explainations about the format.

Tl;dr : he is skilled, had a incredible run but the deck has been quite mucky stacked in his favor.

It's based on the Argentinian format El Legado - that spawned the very successful format L'Eredita in Italy or Crésis in France years before.

In this version, four contestants, including the reigning champ are playing each day, feeded with a virtual €10000 personal jackpot. Three rounds of straight quizzing, first one being two-choice questions with the second choice hidden until you select it, second round being "avoid the wrong choice from this list of answers provided" then the two remaining contestants battle it out in a Grand Slam-esque chess clock battle, winner coming back next day, trying to cash in their jackpot in the final round (+having a shot at a progressive prize package in a bonus round)

Losers of first and second round do not get eliminated straight away - they get to challenge one of the other contestants to a duel in a final, four-choice question, answered by the challenged player. Whoever wins stay in the game and adds the other player's jackpot to theirs.

With all those details on mind, you could argue that Emilien's achievement is quite impressive - and indeed he's shown very impressive general knowledge skills during his run, especially as he's only 22 years-old.

But.. it's not that easy. I won't surprise many of you by pointing first that he was we was casted as the profile for their next big long run champ - tv business, better for ratings to have a long running champ, with low or none challenging profiles against him each day (and better for business as TF1 as a premium-call viewer competition with a growing jackpot paid out when the champ gets knocked out - one lucky viewer got a huge 1.75M€ payout along with Emilien leaving the show)

Then there's some equity issues.While questions are still sourced and checked - there's no guarantee of a fair and square competition. Leading to many people noticing straightforward recycled questions in the duel part or even worse - recycled exact set of answers, same order, same illustration pictures but with an question switching from "easy" to "way harder" and therefore some suspicions that there's two questions ready to be switched depending on what the production wants to happen (one example here https://x.com/brillant_j52653/status/1850551731903467969). Similar in the chess clock part where people trying to compile data about the challenger being asked longer questions (making them lose more time on their clock) and/or champ being sometime asked ridiculously easy questions such as "What do you turn in order to read a book?". Obviously less easy to prove.




 
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: SuperMatch93 on July 11, 2025, 10:24:13 AM
That's disappointing to hear. Admittedly, my first instinct when I read the article was to wonder if the producers were pitting him against contestants they knew were sub-par in order to manufacture a long run.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: johnnya2k3 on July 11, 2025, 01:32:50 PM
646 wins over 21 months?!

That’s six times more than Thom McKee, Kit Salisbury, and Ken Jennings combined! (though for the former two, they won a total of 13 cars)
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: PYLdude on July 11, 2025, 01:41:23 PM
646 wins over 21 months?!

That’s six times more than Thom McKee, Kit Salisbury, and Ken Jennings combined! (though for the former two, they won a total of 13 cars)

No. It isn’t.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: MikeK on July 11, 2025, 02:48:40 PM
646 wins over 21 months?!

That’s six times more than Thom McKee, Kit Salisbury, and Ken Jennings combined! (though for the former two, they won a total of 13 cars)

No. It isn’t.
74 + 43 + 38 = 155.  155 x 6 = 930.

He's not wrong, but it is an incredibly stupid flex from someone known for incredibly stupid flexes.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on July 11, 2025, 02:52:46 PM
I must be missing something.  How isn't it wrong?
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: SuperMatch93 on July 11, 2025, 03:43:35 PM
I read it as 930 calendar days rather than wins; I think Johnny is correct that in real time, those wins added together were less than 21 months worth of shows.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: johnnya2k3 on July 11, 2025, 04:07:04 PM
I read it as 930 calendar days rather than wins; I think Johnny is correct that in real time, those wins added together were less than 21 months worth of shows.
Okay; so the combined wins of McKee, Salisbury, and Jennings are four times more and then some to match Émilien:
155 x 4 = 620 + 26 = 646.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: TLEberle on July 11, 2025, 04:34:00 PM
Congratulations on completing a grade school arithmetic problem.
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: chrisholland03 on July 11, 2025, 05:21:07 PM
I'm non-plussed
Title: Re: Contestant on French game show defeated after 646 wins
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 11, 2025, 05:49:02 PM
646 is also significant because it's 38 times the number of useful posts Mr. Allen has made on this forum.