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Title: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: MikeK on December 30, 2021, 09:51:08 PM
We've had Jeopardy! champions the last few years go on lengthy winning streaks and racking up close to or over a million dollars.  It make me think about people who had long reigns which were essentially slow grinds.  Three people come to mind:

1.  Ray Winston, who won about 10 games on Double Dare in 1977 and only accumulated just over $7000.

2.  I don't know the name but I recall someone on Match Game around 1975 or 1976 who won at least a dozen games but also didn't sniff the all-time money record at the time.

3.  Nancy Wagner, on the Password '75 episode discovered in the summer of 2020.  Betty White mentioned at the start of the show that she had appeared for 14 days with a hair over $18,000 in winnings.

I'm sure the collective hivemind can come up with others.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: Ian Wallis on December 30, 2021, 10:01:28 PM

2.  I don't know the name but I recall someone on Match Game around 1975 or 1976 who won at least a dozen games but also didn't sniff the all-time money record at the time.


It was a gentleman named George, who appeared at the end of '76 and beginning of '77.  He won (I think) 14 games, but just a little over $16,000 - which was a lot for that time.  He kept whiffing on the super match when $5000 was at stake, but usually won when it was $1000.  It was during his reign that they had two male contestants play each other for the only time in that version's history.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: Bryce L. on December 30, 2021, 10:01:38 PM
1.  Ray Winston, who won about 10 games on Double Dare in 1977 and only accumulated just over $7000.
Doing a little math here... I know winning a game brought with it $500 minimum, and thus ten victories would ring up $5,000... which is also how much knocking off the Spoilers would award. Did Ray keep striking out with them or something?
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: colonial on December 30, 2021, 10:06:19 PM

In the UK, there was a show in the late 90s/early 2000s called "100%" that was similar in form to GSN's "Inquizition." Three contestants answered 100 multiple choice or T/F questions, with the winning player receiving 100 pounds and getting the chance to defend their title next show. A guy named Ian Lygo won 75 times on the show, winning 7,500 pounds for his troubles.

JD
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: PYLdude on December 30, 2021, 10:47:16 PM
How well did Joe Dunn do against the Devil? I would have to imagine most of his winnings were front game and any cars he got from milestones.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: TLEberle on December 30, 2021, 11:19:21 PM
We can math it out. He won no less than $8,000 in front games and probably not more than $9,000. His three cars are between $15,000 and $16,000. So at most that puts him at $25,000. If a bonus win averaged $4,000 that means he had to win at least ten of his sixteen tries to get to $66,200, not counting a bailout at some point.

*Eileen Jason took ten wins to get to $39,500 and I don’t remember if she got to fifteen wins, so the rest of the way to $55k had to be bonus wins.

Source, YouTube.
Yes, you could pile up rather a lot of money on Joker’s Wild, but it was a slow boat.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: CarpetCrawler on December 30, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
I always think of Alan Emrick on Whew!  I traded for all of his run, watched it all in one sitting, and had no idea until I watched them that he never actually won on the Gauntlet.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: TLEberle on December 30, 2021, 11:37:44 PM
I always think of Alan Emrick on Whew!  I traded for all of his run, watched it all in one sitting, and had no idea until I watched them that he never actually won on the Gauntlet.
Howard Wilson only piled up about seven grand in six wins before his bonanza—I think Alan would have won another thousand given a sixth whack at it, to say nothing of maybe a successful gauntle5 run.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: chris319 on December 31, 2021, 12:16:27 AM
This Ray Winston?

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1847357.html (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1847357.html)
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: whewfan on December 31, 2021, 03:52:03 AM
1.  Ray Winston, who won about 10 games on Double Dare in 1977 and only accumulated just over $7000.
Doing a little math here... I know winning a game brought with it $500 minimum, and thus ten victories would ring up $5,000... which is also how much knocking off the Spoilers would award. Did Ray keep striking out with them or something?

Ray never won against the spoilers. He was still one of the best players of the short lived series.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: MikeK on December 31, 2021, 11:26:02 AM
1.  Ray Winston, who won about 10 games on Double Dare in 1977 and only accumulated just over $7000.
Doing a little math here... I know winning a game brought with it $500 minimum, and thus ten victories would ring up $5,000... which is also how much knocking off the Spoilers would award. Did Ray keep striking out with them or something?
The key word is 'about'.  It's been almost 15 years since I saw his run on GSN.  He may have won 8 or 9.  He did strike out at The Spoilers on at least one occasion.  For as good as he was in the main game, he was the exact opposite versus The Spoilers.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: SuperMatch93 on December 31, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
Sandy Mumbach won sixteen games on The $20,000 Pyramid before finally summiting the Winner's Circle.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: MikeK on December 31, 2021, 12:29:43 PM
Alice Conkright, before winning it all.  Her MO was win everything and buy nothing.  Thus, all her winnings at the start of her final game were acquired through the Fame Game.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: alfonzos on December 31, 2021, 04:14:23 PM
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I always think of Alan Emrick on Whew!  I traded for all of his run, watched it all in one sitting, and had no idea until I watched them that he never actually won on the Gauntlet.
My friend, Alan Emrich (with an 'h') confirms five unsuccessful gauntlet runs with over $5K in winnings.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: mmb5 on December 31, 2021, 04:33:51 PM
This Ray Winston?

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1847357.html (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1847357.html)

Yep, that one.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: Allstar87 on December 31, 2021, 11:06:49 PM
On Match Game Hollywood Squares Hour, a gentleman named Ron won the full 5 days, but was incredibly unlucky in the Super Match. The only time he won it was when $2,000 was at stake. Even worse, his final Super Match was for $30,000. The question was "_____ GOOSE"; Ron said "cooked", Gloria Loring said "mother".

His final total was $7,475...he was the only retired champion who never crossed the five-digit mark.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: CeleTheRef on January 08, 2022, 01:14:58 PM
It's quite common in Italy because gameshows here often have no participation limit and pay only bonus round winners.  About 20 years ago a 79-times champion of Name That Tune famously failed to complete any single Golden Medley, netting him a grand total of €0. 
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: JMFabiano on January 08, 2022, 02:54:14 PM
Is now racking my brains for any Card Sharks examples. 
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: Strikerz04 on January 08, 2022, 05:16:57 PM
Is now racking my brains for any Card Sharks examples.


Risha (Spring 79) won $7,175 and retired a 7-time champion (https://web.archive.org/web/20090411190106/http://webrookie.multiservers.com/csguide79.htm) with some abhorrent luck.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: PYLdude on January 08, 2022, 10:06:45 PM
It's quite common in Italy because gameshows here often have no participation limit and pay only bonus round winners.  About 20 years ago a 79-times champion of Name That Tune famously failed to complete any single Golden Medley, netting him a grand total of €0. 

I don’t know what’s the more stunning fact: that he won 79 games or that he didn’t win the bonus once.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: Kevin Prather on January 09, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
It's quite common in Italy because gameshows here often have no participation limit and pay only bonus round winners.  About 20 years ago a 79-times champion of Name That Tune famously failed to complete any single Golden Medley, netting him a grand total of €0.

In my head, I hear "about 20 years ago" and I think it happened in the 80s some time. Then I realize that Ken Jennings' 74-game streak is knocking on 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: JMFabiano on January 09, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
It's quite common in Italy because gameshows here often have no participation limit and pay only bonus round winners.  About 20 years ago a 79-times champion of Name That Tune famously failed to complete any single Golden Medley, netting him a grand total of €0.

In my head, I hear "about 20 years ago" and I think it happened in the 80s some time. Then I realize that Ken Jennings' 74-game streak is knocking on 20 years ago.

Yeah, off topic but reminds me about how I was abhorred to hear "...Baby One More Time" on CBS-FM the other day.  Then I realize that it too is 20+ years...same age a lot of the 50s hits were when the station started.

Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: BrandonFG on January 09, 2022, 11:30:55 AM
It's quite common in Italy because gameshows here often have no participation limit and pay only bonus round winners.  About 20 years ago a 79-times champion of Name That Tune famously failed to complete any single Golden Medley, netting him a grand total of €0.

In my head, I hear "about 20 years ago" and I think it happened in the 80s some time. Then I realize that Ken Jennings' 74-game streak is knocking on 20 years ago.
A couple months ago, my fiancée and I were watching J! and Mayim referred to Ken’s streak being 17 years ago. We both had to stop and do the math, and still didn’t believe what we just heard.

I could make some analogies about the stuff I watched on USA/FAM/GSN in the 90s was only a few years old at the time, but I won’t ruin anyone’s Sunday morning. :P
Title: Re: Long-running champions with unusually low winnings
Post by: aaron sica on January 09, 2022, 11:40:57 AM
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Yeah, off topic but reminds me about how I was abhorred to hear "...Baby One More Time" on CBS-FM the other day.  Then I realize that it too is 20+ years...same age a lot of the 50s hits were when the station started.

Chew on this…When GSN first launched, MG74 was 20 years old.