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Why did they get rid of the band after a few episodes of Twenty one?
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[quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 07:36 PM\'] Why did they get rid of the band after a few episodes of Twenty one? [/quote]
The same answer applies to most questions about TV... MONEY!!
The show performed well, but never got the ratings that were projected. Lower ratings = less income = lower budget.
It was Tom Scott and his group of studio players. Although the band played live (it was cool) they recorded all his original music for the show to assist in editing. The decision was made to just play the tracks. Tom did continue to get paid as the composer. Great guy with a lot of cool credits.
I intro'd Tom during the show's first warm-up by shaking my finger at him in mock shame, calling him a "two-timer". "Yes, the man is a two-timer and he's not ashamed of it. Ladies, he's a two-timer... a two time Grammy winner."
His interplay sold the bit. We kept it in. ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 11:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 07:36 PM\'] Why did they get rid of the band after a few episodes of Twenty one? [/quote]
The same answer applies to most questions about TV... MONEY!!
The show performed well, but never got the ratings that were projected. Lower ratings = less income = lower budget.
It was Tom Scott and his group of studio players. Although the band played live (it was cool) they recorded all his original music for the show to assist in editing. The decision was made to just play the tracks. Tom did continue to get paid as the composer. Great guy with a lot of cool credits.
I intro'd Tom during the show's first warm-up by shaking my finger at him in mock shame, calling him a "two-timer". "Yes, the man is a two-timer and he's not ashamed of it. Ladies, he's a two-timer... a two time Grammy winner."
His interplay sold the bit. We kept it in. ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com [/quote]
Is the theme song from 21 was great, is it available on the web, i Know that their was a clip on the old nbc web site but at the time i never thought to save it.
Randy, did you ever see in side of the isolation booth and if you did what was in their.
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That was the downside to being backstage nearly every bloody episode...I missed out on all those little nuances.
Ben T.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 09:24 PM\'] It was Tom Scott and his group of studio players. [/quote]
Randy, that's the same Tom Scott that was Sajak's bandleader on CBS, was he not?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 06:29 AM\']
Randy, that's the same Tom Scott that was Sajak's bandleader on CBS, was he not? [/quote]
It was the same Tom Scott.
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Thank you "Randy" :)
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If Twenty One had thought about using the band for musical questions (ala Jeopardy!'s Daily Double or Name That Tune), the band may have stuck around.
The Tom Scott Orchestra would've been great if they revived Name That Tune (LOL).
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[quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 11:11 PM\'] Randy, did you ever see in side of the isolation booth and if you did what was in their. [/quote]
Herb Stemple's sweaty handkerchief ;-)
I tried to get those two models in the booth with me so their sceams of ecstasy wouldn't be heard.... (cough) Oh, is this mic on? (ahem)
Ben spent much more time in the booth than I did. Heavy doors, soundproofing on the walls, glass on an angle towards the floor to avoid glare. Flourescent lighting (not the same as you have in your kitchen). When the set was lit you couldn't see too much past Maury, barely to the from row of audience which was filled with others from the contestant pool. I remember headphones and a place to rest them. Was that monitor sreen IN the booth or in front of it? I just liked staring at the $2 mil CASH on the set each tape day!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 05:12 PM\'][quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 11:11 PM\'] Randy, did you ever see in side of the isolation booth and if you did what was in their. [/quote]
Herb Stemple's sweaty handkerchief ;-)
I tried to get those two models in the booth with me so their sceams of ecstasy wouldn't be heard.... (cough) Oh, is this mic on? (ahem)
Ben spent much more time in the booth than I did. Heavy doors, soundproofing on the walls, glass on an angle towards the floor to avoid glare. Flourescent lighting (not the same as you have in your kitchen). When the set was lit you couldn't see too much past Maury, barely to the from row of audience which was filled with others from the contestant pool. I remember headphones and a place to rest them. Was that monitor sreen IN the booth or in front of it? I just liked staring at the $2 mil CASH on the set each tape day!
Randy
tvrandywest.com[/quote]
So you mean that the glass angle was like that of the front side of a "V"
>V
Note :arrow pointing to sige of "V" that question is talking about.
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Forgive my ignorance, Randy, but did you do a stint as announcer on 21?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 06:53 PM\']Forgive my ignorance, Randy, but did you do a stint as announcer on 21?[/quote]
Maybe Randy might have known that John Cramer [also of Pyramid and a few other game shows] announced Twenty-One.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 03:53 PM\'] Forgive my ignorance, Randy, but did you do a stint as announcer on 21? [/quote]
Not ignorance, just higher priorities in your life!
I was the warm-up for all episodes 21. Got the tote bag and T-shirt to prove it ;-)
I had done announce and warm-up on previous Phil Gurin shows and he liked my work. But I'm certainly not the best voice for the serious, dramatic style they chose for that show. Trivia: The original choice for announcer was Don LaFontaine. You've heard him a million times; Don is the archetype of the deep and a bit gritty, serious, almost snarling voice on movie trailers. He brings much of that same style to the many CBS drama promos he does (think "CSI", etc.) His is a fascinating story all his own that is OT.
Don couldn't be tied up in a TV studio for hours on end, so the search was on for a similar style right up to very near the first tape date. Although not right for me, I auditioned towards the very end in the same session as Ben Patrick Johnson (presently the voice of "Entertainment Tonight"). It went last minute to John Cramer who was a good choice. Our paths have crossed often partially because John does not do warm-up work.
Much of the 21 gang next went on to "Weakest Link". And now you know the rest of the story ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 12:55 PM\']
The Tom Scott Orchestra would've been great if they revived Name That Tune (LOL). [/quote]
Yes they would have, but how is the band at doing recent ©rap and hip-hop and hard-edged hard rock.... Tommy Oliver admitted to having difficulty playing a few 80s tunes on the Lange NTT.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 07:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 12:55 PM\']
The Tom Scott Orchestra would've been great if they revived Name That Tune (LOL). [/quote]
Yes they would have, but how is the band at doing recent İrap and hip-hop and hard-edged hard rock.... Tommy Oliver admitted to having difficulty playing a few 80s tunes on the Lange NTT. [/quote]
You think that's bad - how about Kathie Lee having to sing (or, more accurately, rap) some of Eminem's lyrics?
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You think that's bad - how about Kathie Lee having to sing (or, more accurately, rap) some of Eminem's lyrics?
On Jimmy Kimmel's show, they played "Name that Tune or Else" on one of her shows as co-host. One of the songs she sang as the "la-la girl" was Snoop Dogg's "Gin and Juice." Makes the "Good Vibrations" thing look normal.
"Sippin' on la la la...laid back, with..."
Anyway, to make this post a bit more on-topic, one of the classic NTT clips they showed was her being introduced by Tom...by the wrong name. Kathie:"It's Kathie." Tom:"Oh, I'm sorry - KATHIE will be singing the..."
-Jason
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 12:55 PM\']
The Tom Scott Orchestra would've been great if they revived Name That Tune (LOL). [/quote]
Yes they would have, but how is the band at doing recent İrap and hip-hop and hard-edged hard rock.... Tommy Oliver admitted to having difficulty playing a few 80s tunes on the Lange NTT. [/quote]
Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle?
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 05:12 PM\'] I tried to get those two models in the booth with me so their sceams of ecstasy wouldn't be heard.... (cough) Oh, is this mic on? (ahem) [/quote]
Is it just me, or are there a lot a dirty minds on this board this Saturday night?
Ben spent much more time in the booth than I did. Heavy doors, soundproofing on the walls, glass on an angle towards the floor to avoid glare. Flourescent lighting (not the same as you have in your kitchen). When the set was lit you couldn't see too much past Maury, barely to the from row of audience which was filled with others from the contestant pool. I remember headphones and a place to rest them. Was that monitor sreen IN the booth or in front of it?
I remember reading that there were two tape lines on the floor. You step to the front line when it's your turn and the back line when it's your opponent's turn. I believe this to prevent you from checking Maury out (not that kind of checking out!).
I just liked staring at the $2 mil CASH on the set each tape day!
Who wouldn't? :-)
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>> Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle?
I know this by heart, since I do graphics at my school's TV studio [and therefore, have to put in copyright dates]. You hold down ALT, then on the number pad, type 0169 [while still holding down the ALT key, remember].
ObGameshows: The orchestra was one of the main reasons I watched Twenty-One.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 09:09 PM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 12:55 PM\']
The Tom Scott Orchestra would've been great if they revived Name That Tune (LOL). [/quote]
Yes they would have, but how is the band at doing recent İrap and hip-hop and hard-edged hard rock.... Tommy Oliver admitted to having difficulty playing a few 80s tunes on the Lange NTT. [/quote]
Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle? [/quote]
I put a lower-case c with a parentheses on either side. Don't know why it turned up like it did, though.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 10:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 09:09 PM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 08:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 12:55 PM\']
The Tom Scott Orchestra would've been great if they revived Name That Tune (LOL). [/quote]
Yes they would have, but how is the band at doing recent İrap and hip-hop and hard-edged hard rock.... Tommy Oliver admitted to having difficulty playing a few 80s tunes on the Lange NTT. [/quote]
Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle? [/quote]
I put a lower-case c with a parentheses on either side. Don't know why it turned up like it did, though. [/quote]
testing
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Odd....but now I can copyright stuff! :-D
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 11:24 PM\'][quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 07:36 PM\'] Why did they get rid of the band after a few episodes of Twenty one? [/quote]
The same answer applies to most questions about TV... MONEY!!
The show performed well, but never got the ratings that were projected. Lower ratings = less income = lower budget.
It was Tom Scott and his group of studio players. Although the band played live (it was cool) they recorded all his original music for the show to assist in editing. The decision was made to just play the tracks. Tom did continue to get paid as the composer. Great guy with a lot of cool credits.
I intro'd Tom during the show's first warm-up by shaking my finger at him in mock shame, calling him a "two-timer". "Yes, the man is a two-timer and he's not ashamed of it. Ladies, he's a two-timer... a two time Grammy winner."
His interplay sold the bit. We kept it in. ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com[/quote]
Randy, Does Tom Scott have a website where you can listen to his music from Twenty One?
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Yah. That's automatic.
( c ) with no spaces = ©
( r ) with no spaces = ®
( tm ) with no spaces = (tm)
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 06:09 PM\'] Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle? [/quote]
(p) <----- p in a circle?
I remember reading that there were two tape lines on the floor. You step to the front line when it's your turn and the back line when it's your opponent's turn. I believe this to prevent you from checking Maury out (not that kind of checking out!).
Right! From the beginning they had the lighting right to keep the contestant from any chance at being coached from the audience. But it was noted that when Maury approached your booth when it was your turn to pick a point value for your question, it was potentially possible to get a sense of how the other player did just before you from Maury's body language. Thus, the lines.
The other S&P nightmare successfully addressed concerned what if the player started to take the headphones off too soon and/or the audio crew didn't have their act together concerning when they could resume feeding the program audio to the iso booth. Improperly handled there was the potential to hear the tail of the other contestant's applause following a correct answer. You might then potentially have useful information to help you in selecting your question.
As if that all isn't enough, sometimes the audience was so hot (boy that warm-up guy was good ;-) that their cheers and applause following an especially dramatic or important correct answer might potentially be audible through all the soundproofing and precautions (loud is loud). So applause sfx were mixed with the music played to the headphones. Wow, huh? I'm often glad I'm not a producer!
audience ---> \ booth
Good idea to illustrate the slant on the glass, FFfan!
It's gotta be that way or you'd be fighting the reflection of the overhead lights.
I don't know if Tom Scott has the 21 music posted. I doubt it. Visit LA, we'll meet, I'll play the music for 'ya in my car ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 11:29 PM\'][quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 06:09 PM\'] Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle? [/quote]
(p) <----- p in a circle?[/quote]
Nope, it didn't show up that way on my screen. OT question, but what the hey: just what does the P in a circle mean anyway? I only see it on music recordings.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 11:29 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 06:09 PM\'] Way off topic, but how do you make the C inside the circle? [/quote]
(p) <----- p in a circle?
I remember reading that there were two tape lines on the floor. You step to the front line when it's your turn and the back line when it's your opponent's turn. I believe this to prevent you from checking Maury out (not that kind of checking out!).
Right! From the beginning they had the lighting right to keep the contestant from any chance at being coached from the audience. But it was noted that when Maury approached your booth when it was your turn to pick a point value for your question, it was potentially possible to get a sense of how the other player did just before you from Maury's body language. Thus, the lines.
The other S&P nightmare successfully addressed concerned what if the player started to take the headphones off too soon and/or the audio crew didn't have their act together concerning when they could resume feeding the program audio to the iso booth. Improperly handled there was the potential to hear the tail of the other contestant's applause following a correct answer. You might then potentially have useful information to help you in selecting your question.
As if that all isn't enough, sometimes the audience was so hot (boy that warm-up guy was good ;-) that their cheers and applause following an especially dramatic or important correct answer might potentially be audible through all the soundproofing and precautions (loud is loud). So applause sfx were mixed with the music played to the headphones. Wow, huh? I'm often glad I'm not a producer!
audience ---> \ booth
Good idea to illustrate the slant on the glass, FFfan!
It's gotta be that way or you'd be fighting the reflection of the overhead lights.
I don't know if Tom Scott has the 21 music posted. I doubt it. Visit LA, we'll meet, I'll play the music for 'ya in my car ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com [/quote]
Well I could make a vacation out of it :) but, wouldn't it be cheaper if you posted it on a theme song group at yahoo, the east coast is pretty far from the west coast.
Ps thanks for the info Randy, it will help a lot in the remake that I'm doing for my TV studio class. I never would have thought to slant the glass to avoid light reflection from the overhead lights in the studio.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 02:12 PM\']
Ben spent much more time in the booth than I did. [/quote]
Occasionally they let me out to do Jeopardy. Nice representation of the slanted glass...
Ben T.
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[quote name=\'familyfeudfan\' date=\'Feb 14 2004, 10:20 PM\'] but, wouldn't it be cheaper if you posted it on a theme song group at yahoo, the east coast is pretty far from the west coast.
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1) Yahoo groups suck for file archive.
2) Randy, having contacts and access that many of us could only hope to, is justifiably sensitive to issues of copyright and what not, and as such has said that he is not able to post his collection for public consumption.
I never would have thought to slant the glass to avoid light reflection from the overhead lights in the studio.
It would have occurred to you the first time you did a run-through and your cameramen were calling for your head on a stick 'cuz they couldn't get a shot. ;)
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There were two problems with Twenty One, if you ask me.
1. Physical proportions of the set were wrong. The contsetants were lost in those great big booths. In the movie Quiz Show, the proportions of the booths were more human-sized. Also, they were too close together for their immense size: They could never get the doors to work right.
2. Tom Scott. I bow to no one in my appreciation of the guy as a player and composer, but on TV the guy's a jinx. Pat Sajak. Chevy Chase. (Okay, doomed from the start, but Scott was on that sinking ship too.) Twenty One. He's like Sam Waterston in the movies. Waterston is a great actor on stage (His interpretation of Hamlet was said to be one of the best in recent history) but his movies have tanked. I'm glad he found a home on TV on Law & Order.
My two cents.
--C
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[quote name=\'carlopanno\' date=\'Feb 25 2004, 09:57 AM\'] Also, they were too close together for their immense size: They could never get the doors to work right.
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How were they suppose to work? From my vantage point, they worked every time.
Ben T.
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[quote name=\'bttritle\' date=\'Feb 25 2004, 11:24 AM\'] [quote name=\'carlopanno\' date=\'Feb 25 2004, 09:57 AM\'] Also, they were too close together for their immense size: They could never get the doors to work right.
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How were they suppose to work? From my vantage point, they worked every time.
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I think what Carlo is saying is that the doors were so close together that there was no smooth way for the models to open them, and the players to enter or exit, without a lot of "excuse me, pardon me, sorry about that, watch the elbow", etc...
I liked the big booths myself, but he's got a point.
Dead-on about Tom Scott, too. Where Ted McGinely is the Dean of Shark-Jumping, Scott is your sign that the shark has long since been left behind....and your boat is full of holes. Too bad, 'cuz the guy has chops, he just has piss-poor luck. It gets to the point where you can't hand out a resume, 'cuz nobody will touch you...
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[quote name=\'bttritle\' date=\'Feb 25 2004, 01:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'carlopanno\' date=\'Feb 25 2004, 09:57 AM\'] Also, they were too close together for their immense size: They could never get the doors to work right.
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How were they suppose to work? From my vantage point, they worked every time.
Ben T. [/quote]
As I remember, the doors banged against each other and also blocked the camera's view of the models opening and closing them.
But unlike you, I wasn't there.
--C
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[quote name=\'carlopanno\' date=\'Feb 25 2004, 12:18 PM\'] As I remember, the doors banged against each other and also blocked the camera's view of the models opening and closing them.
But unlike you, I wasn't there.
--C [/quote]
I can understand how it would seem that way...the set was somewhat deceptive in its size. However, they were fairly well ordered in how they accomplished the walk ons and offs. And the doors could open up at right angles at the same time, and the model (or models) could be seen in the gap between the doors.
The only awkwardness that I ever found about going in or coming out was with the small step up you had to take to get into the booth (and step down to get out).
Ben T.
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The glass was definitely seethrough and the crowd was unquestionably audible from inside the booths. They just didn't invest the money to get it perfect.