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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: cmjb13 on January 20, 2004, 07:26:51 PM
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This applies to all versions including Bauman (if they had a secret square)
Does the celebrity know in advance if they are a secret square?
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 07:26 PM\'] This applies to all versions including Bauman (if they had a secret square)
Does the celebrity know in advance if they are a secret square? [/quote]
MGHS didn't have a Secret Square. I don't think the celebs know they are one until they look at the monitor, which would display the secret square as we see it on camera(if they are able to view a monitor from their squares)
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On the current version of the show, neither the celebrities nor Tom know which square is selected as the Secret Square.
I can't imagine what positive value there would be in taking the extra step to brief a celebrity of their selection as the Secret Square, especially since Secret Square questions usually aren't appropriate moments for a "zinger".
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 06:33 PM\'] On the current version of the show, neither the celebrities nor Tom know which square is selected as the Secret Square.
I can't imagine what positive value there would be in taking the extra step to brief a celebrity of their selection as the Secret Square, especially since Secret Square questions usually aren't appropriate moments for a "zinger". [/quote]
In one of the HSq prime-time episodes from 1968, Gypsy Rose Lee was the secret square for one of the games that night, yet neither Peter Marshall nor Gypsy Rose Lee had heard the sounder. Marshall asked a regular question as no one could attract his attention quickly enough to let him know until after the question had been asked, answered and agreed with, then he had to backtrack to the SS question (which I believe the contestant wound up winning anyway). Not to say it isn't possible, but I'd be surprised given this if either one knew that night (or subsequently).
Doug
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 07:26 PM\'] This applies to all versions including Bauman (if they had a secret square)
Does the celebrity know in advance if they are a secret square? [/quote]
I've seen numerous times when the celebrity was caught off-guard, and maybe even startled by the Secret Square SFX.
Also, I remember reading that the studio monitors are blacked out when they reveal the SS, to avoid any audience reactions.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 08:59 PM\'] Also, I remember reading that the studio monitors are blacked out when they reveal the SS, to avoid any audience reactions. [/quote]
Anyone who attended one of the first tapings of H2 in 1998 can tell you why. When Brian Austin Greene was a secret square and the monitors weren't blacked out, the audience went crazy. The contestant took the hint and picked him first. They ended up restarting the game with a new secret square.
More FAQ:
- Celebrities do not know in advance who the SS is.
- Celebrities cannot bluff on SS questions. They must give their best guess.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 10:01 PM\']More FAQ:
Celebrities cannot bluff on SS questions. They must give their best guess.[/quote]
Wonder why?
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A thought I had was...
SS questions are generally multiple choice. So if the question was, say, the first president was John Adams, George Washington or George Bush, the star had to try to get it right and couldn't pick the obviously wrong answer to make it easy for the contestant.
Not a great example, but I just woke up.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 10:01 PM\'] Celebrities cannot bluff on SS questions. They must give their best guess. [/quote]
In most cases, this is true. But I recall Erik Estrada in the late 1970s and Wayne Brady a few years ago not only giving a wrong answer during the Secret Square question but getting off on it after the contestant blew it.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 05:48 AM\'][quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 10:01 PM\'] Celebrities cannot bluff on SS questions. They must give their best guess. [/quote]
In most cases, this is true. But I recall Erik Estrada in the late 1970s and Wayne Brady a few years ago not only giving a wrong answer during the Secret Square question but getting off on it after the contestant blew it.[/quote]
In his interview with Peter Barsocchini, co-author of The Jeopardy! Book, Art Fleming mentioned an occasion on the Marshall version when he was the Secret Square worth over $11,000. He admitted to the interviewer that he didn't know much about the subject of the question, but that he took a guess, and made it appear that he was certain. The contestant bought Art's bluff; fortunately, Art had picked the correct answer.
Esoteric Eric... Two posts on a weekday; I'll be running late for work now...
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But this doesn't answer why the panelist has to try to give the best answer they can.
Why can't they bluff?
Because there is a lot of money at stake?
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 09:42 AM\'] But this doesn't answer why the panelist has to try to give the best answer they can.
Why can't they bluff?
Because there is a lot of money at stake? [/quote]
I would imagine that's exactly why - there are money and prizes at stake, more so than a normal picking of a square.
When money is at stake like that, you don't fool around. Same goes for MG - when was the last person you saw that acted goofy and silly on the Super Match with a really off the wall answer and honestly didn't try to match the contestant?
I don't remember what game show book it was (it might have been Maxene Fabe's "TV GAME SHOWS!"), that states something to the effect of "if a star acts silly and costs the contestant $10,000, they will not be invited back again.."
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 10:01 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 08:59 PM\'] Also, I remember reading that the studio monitors are blacked out when they reveal the SS, to avoid any audience reactions. [/quote]
Anyone who attended one of the first tapings of H2 in 1998 can tell you why. When Brian Austin Greene was a secret square and the monitors weren't blacked out, the audience went crazy. The contestant took the hint and picked him first. They ended up restarting the game with a new secret square.
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You're right...I remember reading that story, and how Caroline Rhea rolled her eyes at the reaction. :-)
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Anyone who attended one of the first tapings of H2 in 1998 can tell you why. When Brian Austin Greene was a secret square and the monitors weren't blacked out, the audience went crazy. The contestant took the hint and picked him first. They ended up restarting the game with a new secret square.
And they also ended up giving the SS prize to both contestants, as well.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 11:01 PM\'] Anyone who attended one of the first tapings of H2 in 1998 can tell you why. When Brian Austin Greene was a secret square and the monitors weren't blacked out, the audience went crazy. The contestant took the hint and picked him first. They ended up restarting the game with a new secret square. [/quote]
Has it really only been six years? Somehow I don't think that Mr. Green would inspire such an enthusiastic response today.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 01:19 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 20 2004, 11:01 PM\'] Anyone who attended one of the first tapings of H2 in 1998 can tell you why. When Brian Austin Greene was a secret square and the monitors weren't blacked out, the audience went crazy. The contestant took the hint and picked him first. They ended up restarting the game with a new secret square. [/quote]
Has it really only been six years? Somehow I don't think that Mr. Green would inspire such an enthusiastic response today. [/quote]
I can't remember, but was he still on 90210 by 1998?
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 11:36 AM\']
Anyone who attended one of the first tapings of H2 in 1998 can tell you why. When Brian Austin Greene was a secret square and the monitors weren't blacked out, the audience went crazy. The contestant took the hint and picked him first. They ended up restarting the game with a new secret square.
And they also ended up giving the SS prize to both contestants, as well.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
Wow! Amazing! Is that the only time both contestants have receieved the SS prize?
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 01:54 PM\'] Wow! Amazing! Is that the only time both contestants have receieved the SS prize? [/quote]
Well, in the first season or two, there were two secret square rounds, so I'm sure it happened in those occasions.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 02:12 PM\'] Well, in the first season or two, there were two secret square rounds, so I'm sure it happened in those occasions. [/quote]
No. In season 1, game 3 would be a secret square game only if the SS was not won. From season 2 onward, there was only one SS game.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 04:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 02:12 PM\'] Well, in the first season or two, there were two secret square rounds, so I'm sure it happened in those occasions. [/quote]
No. In season 1, game 3 would be a secret square game only if the SS was not won. From season 2 onward, there was only one SS game. [/quote]
Now it's coming back to me...I stand corrected.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 04:38 PM\']
No. In season 1, game 3 would be a secret square game only if the SS was not won. From season 2 onward, there was only one SS game. [/quote]
The first season of Bergeron HS didn't have the progressive Secret Square jackpot that seasons two through five did.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 06:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 21 2004, 04:38 PM\']
No. In season 1, game 3 would be a secret square game only if the SS was not won. From season 2 onward, there was only one SS game. [/quote]
The first season of Bergeron HS didn't have the progressive Secret Square jackpot that seasons two through five did. [/quote]
That's right. And this season, each Secret Square game has only one prize. If that prize isn't won, it's replaced with a new prize.
This is kinda like what happened in Season 1. If the SS prize is won in neither game 2 nor game 3, that prize is replaced, and the next day, a new prize is offered.