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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Little Big Brother on January 12, 2004, 10:48:07 AM
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Here's the list:
Survivor One: Richard Hatch, Rudy Boesch, Sue Hawk and Jenna Lewis.
Austrailian Outback: Tina Wesson, Colby Donaldson, Amber Brkich, Jerri Manthey and Alicia Calaway.
Africa: Ethan Zohn, Lex van den Berghe and Tom Buchanan.
Marquesas: Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien and Rob Mariano.
Thailand: Shii Ann Huang.
Amazon: Jenna Morasca and Rob Cesternino.
Pearl Islands: Rupert Boneham
Not bad having four out of the seven winners competing. It's nice to see that some of the players who should have gone farther (Shii Ann and Rupert immediately jump to mind) were invited back as well. For more info, here's the link to the story on Yahoo: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...vivor_all_stars (http://\"http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=494&ncid=763&e=2&u=/ap/20040112/ap_en_tv/tv_survivor_all_stars\")
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If they would only let this series fade away into the sunset...
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:07 AM\']If they would only let this series fade away into the sunset...[/quote]
You don't kill a hit.
And between Rupert, Johnny Fairplay and the whole pirate theme (and yes, even the Outcasts), "Pearl Islands" was up there with the first series as a great piece of television. I'm looking forward to seeing some of the old gang in this new situation--should be fun.
And if you want to blame "Survivor" for killing off the Great Quiz Show Revival of 1999-2000, the truth is that it would have died off of its own volition anyway.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:44 AM\'] And if you want to blame "Survivor" for killing off the Great Quiz Show Revival of 1999-2000, the truth is that it would have died off of its own volition anyway. [/quote]
Winning Lines and Twenty One were toast before Survivor saw air, so in no way do I fault the Mark Burnett inspiration for the end of the quickie revival. And Greed died because of the week-long experiment that was It's Your Chance Of A Lifetime for inexplicable reasons.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 08:07 AM\']If they would only let this series fade away into the sunset...[/quote]
You have got to be kidding. Kill off a compelling series that has stayed in the top 20 consistently since its premiere? Not to mention all the merchandising that makes it a "cash cow"? CBS is wise to kick the next run off right after the single biggest television event of the year.
Besides, Who needs that Lingerie Bowl? We have Richard and Rupert. Now that's a matchup I want to see!
...and if I recall, didn't CBS launch Survivor I after their last Super Bowl?
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...and if I recall, didn't CBS launch Survivor I after their last Super Bowl?
That was Survivor II: Australian Outback. The original Survivor premiered towards the end of May in 2000.
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I was expecting Vecepia Towery (Marquesas), Brian Heidik (Thailand), and Sandra-Diaz Twine (Pearl Islands) to make the list.
I wonder why they didn't make it, even though they were the most recent batch of Sole Survivors.
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I was expecting Vecepia Towery (Marquesas), Brian Heidik (Thailand), and Sandra-Diaz Twine (Pearl Islands) to make the list.
I wonder why they didn't make it, even though they were the most recent batch of Sole Survivors.
From snippets that I have heard or read in the past couple months (mostly Entertainment Weekly), some people just didn't want to play again. It was mentioned that at least one of the game's winners would not be participating, and I was actually expecting Tina to be one of the winners to decline the invitation.
Also, Mark Burnett knows how to do casting. Brian would not have added much to the mix (really boring, except for the adult film thing which didn't come up during the game) and I don't think Sandra would have lasted too long unless she completely changed her strategy the second time around. Many of the other players would know that a loose cannon like Sandra, with her voting to save her own hide, is too much of a danger to keep (still love you though Sandra!)
I wonder if Mike from Survivor II was considered, since he was forced out due to his hands getting fried rather than being voted out. It would have been nice to see him get a second chance, even though I didn't really like the guy.
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You know what? That reminds me of poor Osten!
He wanted to quit the game, and that's what he got!
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Anybody want to bet on Richard Hatch being the first one voted off the island? He won Survivor 1, of course, but look what's happened since. He didn't make it past A$1,000 on the Australian version of Millionaire, and he was the first to go on the Survivor-themed Weakest Link.
Even better, who wants to bet that the four previous Sole Survivors who are on the all-star show go in quick order?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:44 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:07 AM\']If they would only let this series fade away into the sunset...[/quote]
You don't kill a hit.
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Let's see .... Match Game got killed while was still hot, twice, IIRC. Hollywood Squares got killed while it was hot, so says Peter Marshall in his book. I could go on.
In an ideal world, Mark, you would be right, but the world isn't ideal.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 03:18 PM\'] Anybody want to bet on Richard Hatch being the first one voted off the island? He won Survivor 1, of course, but look what's happened since. He didn't make it past A$1,000 on the Australian version of Millionaire, and he was the first to go on the Survivor-themed Weakest Link.
Even better, who wants to bet that the four previous Sole Survivors who are on the all-star show go in quick order? [/quote]
Actually, Rich bombed on the $500 question on the Aussie WWTBAM.
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Sue Hawk and Jeff Varner (joined by Kaya from Temptation Island) also lost in USA Network's Cannonball Run 2001 series.
eZb
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 04:23 PM\'] Actually, Rich bombed on the $500 question on the Aussie WWTBAM. [/quote]
There was a clip of it on Jamie's page, but I didn't get a chance to see it before he started having trouble with his page. All I knew was that he didn't make the first milestone. Served him right, IMO.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 05:18 PM\'] Even better, who wants to bet that the four previous Sole Survivors who are on the all-star show go in quick order? [/quote]
Complete agreement. The more famous the player, the more there's going to be a big bullseye on his/her back. I'm guessing Rudy & Colby might not make it out of the first half either.
Hollywood Squares got killed while it was hot, so says Peter Marshall in his book. I could go on.
And I'm sure if you ask Jerry Van Dyke, he'll say that My Mother The Car just needed time to find its audience.
Neither HS nor MG were "hot" when they were cancelled, merely aging shows that were still pulling in respectable numbers. True, there are many factors that go into when a show's plug is pulled, but the suggestion that Survivor needs to "fade away" while it's still one of the hottest shows in television deserves all the incredulity we can summon.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 05:20 PM\'] (T)he suggestion that Survivor needs to "fade away" while it's still one of the hottest shows in television deserves all the incredulity we can summon. [/quote]
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly, and X gets the square on this one. CBS would be out of their minds to do this. I do think they're taking a bit of a gamble with the all-star series, but for what it's worth, I will be returning to the tube to see this one. It should be really fun, if nothing else.
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Just when you think Survivor is past its use-by date, the show always comes up with new twists that stop the strategic contestants from being able to manipulate with their well-crafted plans.
Some of my personal favourites were:
* Switching Tribes in Africa
* Having the two tribes living together in Thailand... and letting them think that they'd merged
* The outcasts having the chance to be voted back in in Pearl Islands
And with three tribes on All-Stars, there's gotta be some change to the expected dynamic... not to mention the fact that everyone probably thinks they've got the game worked out now, and is playing against everyone else who has the same thoughts
Cherry "Still waiting for Survivor: Antarctica" Pizza
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 04:20 PM\']
Let's see .... Match Game got killed while was still hot, twice, IIRC. Hollywood Squares got killed while it was hot, so says Peter Marshall in his book. I could go on.
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The Daily syndie MG didn't exactly pull in stellar numbers in 1981-82, nor did the Vegas season of syndie Squares a year earlier. MGPM died in part because weekly syndie game shows were on life support(it and Kennedy NTT were the only syndie game shows not running five days a week at the time, and both were axed after the 1980-81 season) The CBS MG7x and NBC HS were pulling in decent numbers when axed IIRC.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 05:52 PM\'] ... CBS would be out of their minds to do this. ... [/quote]
CBS has already greenlit a Survivor 9 for next fall, and with Friends gone, to be replaced by spin-off Joey. Given NBC's recent track record with new sitcoms, this is CBS's chance to build a Thursday dynasty of its own. They're definitely riding the Survivor boat as long as it sails. OTOH, Ray Romano is thinking of hanging it up, but that's for another board.
ObGameShows: The first promo I saw for Everybody Loves Raymond was during TPiR's 25th Anniversary Special.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 08:35 PM\'] OTOH, Ray Romano is thinking of hanging it up, but that's for another board.
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WWBGD=What Will Brad Garrett Do? If Raymond doesn't continue and the inevitable cancellation of Squares, Sony just might have to bring on Brad Garrett's Hot Potato.
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[quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 04:02 PM\']
I was expecting Vecepia Towery (Marquesas), Brian Heidik (Thailand), and Sandra-Diaz Twine (Pearl Islands) to make the list.
I wonder why they didn't make it, even though they were the most recent batch of Sole Survivors.
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Well, the basic idea was to bring back the most memorable contestants, and in Survivor's history, the winners haven't always been memorable.
According to this week's TV Guide, Burnett went in with the rule that simply being a million dollar winner wasn't enough. There had to be something else. Some people turned down the offer of returning. Colleen Haskell from Survior:Pulau Tiga is one and Elisabeth Filarski-Hasselbeck from The Australian Outback is another who turned down the opportunity to be on the show. This opened the door to less predictable choices like the forgettable, if cute, Amber Brkich.
I wonder if this edition will best the ratings of the franchise renewing "Pearl Islands" edition. I think it just may because everyone has a favorite from the beginning.
I, for one, can't wait.
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[quote name=\'joe_capitano\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 03:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 08:07 AM\']If they would only let this series fade away into the sunset...[/quote]
You have got to be kidding. Kill off a compelling series that has stayed in the top 20 consistently since its premiere? Not to mention all the merchandising that makes it a "cash cow"? CBS is wise to kick the next run off right after the single biggest television event of the year.
Besides, Who needs that Lingerie Bowl? We have Richard and Rupert. Now that's a matchup I want to see!
...and if I recall, didn't CBS launch Survivor I after their last Super Bowl? [/quote]
You guys, it's his opinion. Perhaps he doesn't like Survivor. I personally don't like it either--and wouldn't mind seeing it be cancelled. Will it? Probably not. But that doesn't make his (or our) opinion any less valid.
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I really like Survivor. I would replace Shii Ann with Brian Heidik, Amber with Jon "Johnny Fairplay" Dalton, and Alicia with Sandra Diaz-Twine.
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[quote name=\'CherryPizza\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 05:50 PM\'] Cherry "Still waiting for Survivor: Antarctica" Pizza [/quote]
I've never watched the show, and I never plan to, but I might watch that!
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[quote name=\'Justin30519\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 07:33 PM\'] I really like Survivor. I would replace Shii Ann with Brian Heidik, Amber with Jon "Johnny Fairplay" Dalton, and Alicia with Sandra Diaz-Twine. [/quote]
Where's Colleen Haskell in all this? After all, her post-Survivor gig was that mediocre "The Animal."
Jonathan Allen
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[quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:03 PM\'] [quote name=\'Justin30519\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 07:33 PM\'] I really like Survivor. I would replace Shii Ann with Brian Heidik, Amber with Jon "Johnny Fairplay" Dalton, and Alicia with Sandra Diaz-Twine. [/quote]
Where's Colleen Haskell in all this? After all, her post-Survivor gig was that mediocre "The Animal."
Jonathan Allen [/quote]
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, she turned down the chance to appear.
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:17 PM\'] [quote name=\'johnnya2k3\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 11:03 PM\'] [quote name=\'Justin30519\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 07:33 PM\'] I really like Where's Colleen Haskell in all this? After all, her post-Survivor gig was that mediocre "The Animal."[/QUOTE]
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, she turned down the chance to appear. [/QUOTE]
One could only wonder if those scabs on her legs are still there four years later. And Jonathan...Mediocre? Given most of Rob Schneider's films, "mediocre" is almost favorable!
EDIT: I'd like to dedicate this post, my 420th, to Chris Lemon. :-)
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 09:24 PM\'] EDIT: I'd like to dedicate this post, my 420th, to Chris Lemon. :-) [/quote]
I'm {cough, cough} honored. I think. ;)
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 10:07 PM\'] [quote name=\'joe_capitano\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 03:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 08:07 AM\']If they would only let this series fade away into the sunset...[/quote]
You have got to be kidding. Kill off a compelling series that has stayed in the top 20 consistently since its premiere? Not to mention all the merchandising that makes it a "cash cow"? CBS is wise to kick the next run off right after the single biggest television event of the year.
Besides, Who needs that Lingerie Bowl? We have Richard and Rupert. Now that's a matchup I want to see!
...and if I recall, didn't CBS launch Survivor I after their last Super Bowl? [/quote]
You guys, it's his opinion. Perhaps he doesn't like Survivor. I personally don't like it either--and wouldn't mind seeing it be cancelled. Will it? Probably not. But that doesn't make his (or our) opinion any less valid. [/quote]
I am in agreement there. Survivor may be a consistently strong show, but it doesn't mean it doesn't suck (see American Idol).
However, as much as I loathe it, CBS will have a golden opportunity when Friends dies its long-overdue death in May (Thank goodness). This is CBS' opportunity to make big on this; they better not blow it.
Joey won't go far this fall; I can almost guarantee that. With Friends and Frasier gone by June, that leaves Will & Grace as the longest running sitcom currently running on NBC. Since the writers have loused this one up in recent years, I would not be surprised if Death came a'knocking in 2005.
What I am saying is, though I personally think Survivor sucks, CBS better take this ball and run with it; Thursday Nights will soon be theirs.
The Inquisitive One
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 07:44 PM\'] The CBS MG7x and NBC HS were pulling in decent numbers when axed IIRC. [/quote]
That's the point I was trying to make earlier. Syndie versions of regular shows seldom do better than the original network version.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 09:29 PM\'] WWBGD=What Will Brad Garrett Do? If Raymond doesn't continue and the inevitable cancellation of Squares, Sony just might have to bring on Brad Garrett's Hot Potato. [/quote]
How's about Nipsey Russell's Dream House? (ducking!)
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[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 01:29 AM\']
What I am saying is, though I personally think Survivor sucks, CBS better take this ball and run with it; Thursday Nights will soon be theirs.
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For some of all of the weeks Survivor isn't running, a Primetime TPIR seems like it might now have a chance to succeed in the time slot if didn't succeed in in 1986.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 12:17 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 07:44 PM\'] The CBS MG7x and NBC HS were pulling in decent numbers when axed IIRC. [/quote]
That's the point I was trying to make earlier. Syndie versions of regular shows seldom do better than the original network version. [/quote]
But when they DO, whoo, doggie. (See Fortune, Wheel Of, and Jeopardy.)
(For that matter, see the 70's Name That Tune, and Jokers Wild and TTD. It could be argued pretty easily that the nighttime show with Tom Kennedy at the helm did far better than his daytime equivalent.)
I'm not so sure that's a solid argument now.
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Elisabeth Filarski-Hasselbeck from The Australian Outback is another who turned down the opportunity to be on the show.
Pity. :-( But I guess w/her new gig as co-host of The View, it's understandable.
Chuck Donegan (The Disappointed "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 11:42 AM\']
Elisabeth Filarski-Hasselbeck from The Australian Outback is another who turned down the opportunity to be on the show.
Pity. :-( But I guess w/her new gig as co-host of The View, it's understandable.[/quote]
And in today's Chicago Sun-Times (http://\"http://www.suntimes.com/output/rosenthal/cst-ftr-phil13.html\"), Phil Rosenthal suggests that Hasselbeck's decision to not do "All-Stars" and take on "The View" may make her the real winner of "All-Stars."
Funny thing: A couple of weeks ago, Comcast Chicago ran in a local break a promo for style. featuring Hasselbeck (when she was still Filarski) right after she came on "The View." Today I saw the same promo with Hasselbeck replaced by Finola Hughes--obviously, style. and Comcast are on somewhat of a ball this time.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 05:06 PM\'][quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 04:23 PM\'] Actually, Rich bombed on the $500 question on the Aussie WWTBAM. [/quote]
There was a clip of it on Jamie's page, but I didn't get a chance to see it before he started having trouble with his page. All I knew was that he didn't make the first milestone. Served him right, IMO.[/quote]
I'm all for cocky know-it-alls getting their comeuppance in the most painful way possible, but in all fairness, he maybe didn't deserve to "bomb" on that question.
On that episode (a celebrity special... I won't enter the "does he qualify as a celebrity" debate), a number of the other contestants were stumbling on early questions, and Eddie (the host) "helped" them more than he would contestants on the regular show. Also, so many other rules were broken that night (most notably one celeb's home viewer blurted out the answer over the phone).
Richard was stumbling, thinking out loud about the question, and even though he said to "lock in" the incorrect answer, Eddie made no effort to do his usual "Are you sure? Is that your final answer? Let's pad this damn thing out for as long as we can" schtick. Even after casually saying to "lock in" that answer, he was still contemplating the answer... with Eddie having prematurely locked in the incorrect answer, and sitting there with a smug look on his face. FWIW, Eddie McGuire is probably much more cocky and detestable that Richard Hatch.
Rich finally worked out the correct answer, and Eddie's reply was "Yes, it's {Letter}... You locked in {Other letter}", and Rich was sent off the show with no winnings. In the context of the rest of that episode, Rich was, all things considered, not treated fairly.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 12:00 PM\'] Funny thing: A couple of weeks ago, Comcast Chicago ran in a local break a promo for style. featuring Hasselbeck (when she was still Filarski) right after she came on "The View." Today I saw the same promo with Hasselbeck replaced by Finola Hughes--obviously, style. and Comcast are on somewhat of a ball this time. [/quote]
Well, Comcast owns style and it is another cable channel whose programming is being rethought. It's becoming more of a lifestyle/"Trading Spaces" type channel and moving away from fashion. I'm not surprised they're being very proactive about it since they've got their own money riding on the change.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 11:37 AM\'] [quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 12:17 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 12 2004, 07:44 PM\'] The CBS MG7x and NBC HS were pulling in decent numbers when axed IIRC. [/quote]
That's the point I was trying to make earlier. Syndie versions of regular shows seldom do better than the original network version. [/quote]
But when they DO, whoo, doggie. (See Fortune, Wheel Of, and Jeopardy.)
(For that matter, see the 70's Name That Tune, and Jokers Wild and TTD. It could be argued pretty easily that the nighttime show with Tom Kennedy at the helm did far better than his daytime equivalent.)
I'm not so sure that's a solid argument now. [/quote]
Syndie Dawson Feud was pretty big through the WOF onslaught in late 1983, whereas the ABC show lost ground a year or two earlier than that.
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Wouldn't Johnny Fairplay from the most recent run have been a great addition? He and Sue could really get it on. jOhnny and Richard would be a cool battle of the wicked.
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Wouldn't Johnny Fairplay from the most recent run have been a great addition? He and Sue could really get it on. jOhnny and Richard would be a cool battle of the wicked.
Granted the battle of the wicked would have been, at a minimum, monumental, I don't think Jon would have lasted long. The added challenge with the all-stars version is that previous strategies are not as likely to work for the simple fact that the other contestants would know what those strategies are. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if players keep their eyes on Tina and Colby to make sure they don't pull the same coup that got them to the Survivor: Outback finals. In the case of Jon, everyone knows not to trust a word that comes out of his mouth, so he has no leverage that will keep him in the game.
All I can say is for the first time, I'm actually counting down the days to the Super Bowl (19) :-)
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(T)he suggestion that Survivor needs to "fade away" while it's still one of the hottest shows in television deserves all the incredulity we can summon.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly, and X gets the square on this one. CBS would be out of their minds to do this.
I have to put myself in the category of hoping it goes away. I watched the first four, but have lost interest since then. In fact, for this past one I didn't even watch the finale.
To be honest, I'm surprised ratings are still as good as they are - we had a pretty big drop from 52 to 20 million, and I thought they'd drop further - but they haven't.