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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: chad1m on February 28, 2014, 05:27:18 PM
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From a press release:
GSN (Game Show Network) announced today that the network will pay tribute to legendary game show host Jim Lange, with a marathon of Lange’s most memorable episodes as host of THE DATING GAME. Jim Lange passed away on Tuesday at the age of 81. The eight-episode marathon will air on Wednesday March 5th, from 8 am until 12 noon ET on GSN.
The Jim Lange Marathon will feature episodes of THE DATING GAME from the show’s original 1960s and 1970s runs on ABC and in syndication, featuring guests such as Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett, Tom Selleck, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Steve Martin.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Dating Game has never been on the regular schedule, due to music rights issues.
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It had a regular slot at the network's launch.
-Jason
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Correct me if I'm wrong
You're wrong.
I remember seeing The Dating Game on weekends when I first got GSN, sometime around 1999/2000. It was on 7 times per weekday during "The Dark Period", and I would put dollars to donuts that those shows weren't Brad Sherwood's shows from the previous year. I don't think GSN has aired The All New Dating Game, outside of Game of the Week shows from 2000. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.game-shows/t1G22s2n6Mc
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My next question would be where VN got his info from.
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The show used quite a bit of pre-existing copyrighted music. Especially from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.
That's why I was under the impression they may not have shown it regularly.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Dating Game has never been on the regular schedule, due to music rights issues.
(TPIR buzz)
Incorrect. GSN has aired every version of The Dating Game with the exceptions of the 1996-97 season with Brad Sherwood and the Jeff MacGregor years. It was on the regular schedule from the time the network launched until I believe a few months after Rich Cronin took over as President in 2001 (corrections welcome, of course).
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My next question would be where VN got his info from.
my guess is it rhymes with bass. Or maybe a bowling alley.
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My next question would be where VN got his info from.
my guess is it rhymes with bass. Or maybe a bowling alley.
Did you even read post #6?
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Yes, The Dating Game used to be a fixture of GSN's lineup, though toward the end it seemed it was mostly the celebrity episodes that aired.
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There's a subtle but important difference in your sentence construction, Vahan. The way you put it initially, it sounded as if you were repeating a fact you had heard. It's perfectly okay to speculate as you did and ask the board at large, but that wasn't clear at first.
-Jason
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Did you even read post #6?
The one where you admitted to talking out of your ass? Yep, sure did.
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The one where you admitted to talking out of your ass? Yep, sure did.
As nice as it is that he's admitting it (and that's a real big step) it would be an improvement if he didn't commit the foul in the first place.
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As nice as it is that he's admitting it (and that's a real big step) it would be an improvement if he didn't commit the foul in the first place.
Insofar as he actually did admit it as opposed to justifying doing it, sure, but other than that we concur wholly.
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Too bad they can't show the Laboriously Titled Word Game Starring Jim Lange, as Dating Game is a poor vehicle to show off what Jim can do. (Bullseye isn't that much better and Name That Tune was awful). Lifetime moved at a good clip, was a fun word game and I thought Jim handled it well.
/if my weight shrank like my post count is doing I wouldn't be guilty about not eating properly.
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TDG, Hollywood Connection, Bullseye and the Valentine's Week 1984 episodes of the TNG were the only Lange-hosted series that GSN ever aired in its entire network history. I asked catnap1972 what about which Jim Lange hosted series is his most favorite. IIRC, it's been the same 7-10 episodes of the late 70s run that GSN ever reran which explains why that version was never seen regularly either. Let me run them down just in case:
1978: Jimmie 'JJ' Walker
1978: Jaye P. Morgan
1979: Phil Hartman
1978: Andy Kaufman
1979: Bob Saget
1979: Willie Aames
1979: Pee Wee Herman
There's a difference between the 2 production years: 1978 had a backwall of mostly red and orange, and 1979 had a backwall of blue and purple. I knew that because catnap1972(back when he had a YT account) uploaded what was rerunable of this version. I hope catnap1972 doesn't leave this forum altogether since he's still active here.
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Lord.
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I'll have my DVR all prepped up on Wednesday! At least, for the ABC episodes.....
Cordially,
Tammy
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Too bad they can't show the Laboriously Titled Word Game Starring Jim Lange, as Dating Game is a poor vehicle to show off what Jim can do. (Bullseye isn't that much better and Name That Tune was awful). Lifetime moved at a good clip, was a fun word game and I thought Jim handled it well.
Definitely agree about Lifetime, which would've been a pleasant surprise. Of the Lange-hosted shows GSN's aired, though, I'd have preferred Bullseye as the tribute since, as you said, The Dating Game isn't really the best example of Jim's abilities. Given how poor Hollywood Connection was and how poorly Lange handled The Newlywed Game, I think showing either of those would've felt like an insult.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think GSN's currently airing anything from the Barry-Enright or Barris stables.
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Although TDG was Lange's signature show (9 years from 1965-1974, and 2 more years from 1978-1980), I do wish they would have also made a surprise move by licensing one episode of $1MCOAL.
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Also, how hard would it be to get his run of Name That Tune? Whether it be for a regular spot on the lineup or even a single episode?
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Also, how hard would it be to get his run of Name That Tune? Whether it be for a regular spot on the lineup or even a single episode?
If Sandy Frank is still alive, not very. He is well known for squeezing every penny out of his properties by selling to anyone who would take them. (That's my understanding, anyway.)
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TDG, Hollywood Connection, Bullseye and the Valentine's Week 1984 episodes of the TNG were the only Lange-hosted series that GSN ever aired in its entire network history. I asked catnap1972 what about which Jim Lange hosted series is his most favorite. IIRC, it's been the same 7-10 episodes of the late 70s run that GSN ever reran which explains why that version was never seen regularly either. Let me run them down just in case:
1978: Jimmie 'JJ' Walker
1978: Jaye P. Morgan
1978: Phil Hartman
1978: Andy Kaufman
1979: Bob Saget
1979: Willie Aames
1979: Pee Wee Herman
There's a difference between the 2 production years: 1978 had a backwall of mostly red and orange, and 1979 had a backwall of blue and purple. I knew that because catnap1972(back when he had a YT account) uploaded what was rerunable of this version. I hope catnap1972 doesn't leave this forum altogether since he's still active here.
Did you ever stop and think that this was probably part of the reason you don't see catnap1972 around?
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Unfortunately, if there was anything I've learned, you don't mess with Mike Smith (a.k.a. NewsTelevisionSeries). He is one tough customer. He was the one who forced Catnap1972 to close his YouTube accounts.
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Unfortunately, if there was anything I've learned, you don't mess with NewsTelevisionSeries. He is one tough customer. He was the one who forced Catnap1972 to close his YouTube accounts.
Horseapples. I call horse apples on all of this. He's an a-hole on the internet. They're a dime a dozen.
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Unfortunately, if there was anything I've learned, you don't mess with NewsTelevisionSeries. He is one tough customer. He was the one who forced Catnap1972 to close his YouTube accounts.
Horseapples. I call horse apples on all of this. He's an a-hole on the internet. They're a dime a dozen.
I never even heard of the guy.
Okay, so now Vahan will do one of three things: put on his contrition act, cite his source, or make himself look worse.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/NewsTelevisionSeries/videos
This is his channel. Look at it. All the videos used to be uploaded Catnap1972. He stole them from him. That's all the proof you need, Chris. Please apologize for making fun of my name.
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So what?
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http://www.youtube.com/user/NewsTelevisionSeries/videos
This is his channel. Look at it. All the videos used to be uploaded Catnap1972. He stole them from him. That's all the proof you need, Chris. Please apologize for making fun of my name.
Actually, it proves nothing. Because it doesn't mean that the guy did anything other than steal his videos, which is a rather common occurrence on da Toob. Unless I hear it from catnap myself, your statement is speculation.
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The show used quite a bit of pre-existing copyrighted music. Especially from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.
That's why I was under the impression they may not have shown it regularly.
Probably over two-thirds of the ABC years aired, as it was on the schedule for quite a while. Music rights didn't seen to be an issue for ABC episodes. The music issues presumably were with the '78-80 version, which is why we only got a few episodes of this here and there. That was my favorite version so I would have liked to have seen more of it!
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Also, how hard would it be to get his run of Name That Tune? Whether it be for a regular spot on the lineup or even a single episode?
If Sandy Frank is still alive, not very. He is well known for squeezing every penny out of his properties by selling to anyone who would take them. (That's my understanding, anyway.)
He is, and he's 85 according to what I read. Or approaching it.
Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't try to get at least one episode of something other than The Dating Game...but it really isn't going to bother me because I'm willing to bet, at least from some of the messages on my Facebook page, that most people don't know Jim Lange for doing anything else.
Shame that is.
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If Sandy Frank is still alive, not very. He is well known for squeezing every penny out of his properties by selling to anyone who would take them. (That's my understanding, anyway.)
Not only that, GSN would also have to pay royalties out the backside for musical clearances if they wanted to air even one episode.
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Not sure how GSN-Sony licensing deals are structured these days, but I'd have to imagine throwing Dating Game or Bullseye onto the lineup for a day would be significantly cheaper for GSN than either NTT or Lifetime. And of the four, Jim's generally best known among the public for Dating Game anyway.
Cheaper + Most likely to draw viewership = Best for business.
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The GSN promo for the Jim Lange tribute showed a young Michael Jackson. Two eps of TDG I remember were when Paul Lynde and Rip Taylor (on different shows) were asking the questions. I remember the audience yelling out "Number 3" at Rip. He listened to them, and Number 3 was ugly as all Hell. The look on Rip's face when he saw her was priceless!
Nice that GSN is doing this.
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Two eps of TDG I remember were when Paul Lynde and Rip Taylor (on different shows) were asking the questions.
On behalf of a young bachelorette, presumably.
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Paul Reubens appeared as Pee-Wee Herman on TDG in the late 70's at least twice. Here are clips from both of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfWEC3CR6SA&t=13m42s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z-Vc0_zG4I
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I definitely intend to record two episodes from this Wednesday's marathon. Definitely the one with Michael Jackson, and the one with Casey Kasem - the latter for the reason that Casey is terminally ill and has only months to live as of November. It would be good to record something with Casey Kasem's appearance since he won't be around much longer.
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Now that I know that, I definitely will too! I used to save the charts from AT40.
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What is the best way to distinguish Daytime Dating Game (1965-1973) from Nighttime Dating Game (1966-1970)?
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Someone who watched the Dating Game closer than I would know of any appreciable differences, but honestly, all I can remember was Jim saying "good evening" vs. "good afternoon," and reminding us at the end to watch the daytime version. It's been said the trips were better on the nighttime show, but at the Dating Game level, that's a hard scale to judge. :)
-Jason
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The GSN promo for the Jim Lange tribute showed a young Michael Jackson.
Said ep has a major music clearance--Jackson lip-syncs the first minute or so of "Rockin' Robin" right at the beginning.
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Also, how hard would it be to get his run of Name That Tune? Whether it be for a regular spot on the lineup or even a single episode?
If Sandy Frank is still alive, not very. He is well known for squeezing every penny out of his properties by selling to anyone who would take them. (That's my understanding, anyway.)
The wise words of Mssrs. Robinson, Servo, and Robot come to mind:
Sandy Fraaaaaaank! Sandy Fraaaaaaaaaaank! He's the source of all our pain!
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Sandy Fraaaaaaank! Sandy Fraaaaaaaaaaank! He's the source of all our pain!
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3901239552/hA74D2AEF/)
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Any word on a Geoff Edwards tribute? GSN press site has nothing, if so
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I hope so. There's several good candidates from what they've aired: Treasure Hunt, Play the Percentages, and Jackpot! (Not sure if they aired Geoff's Chain Reaction; I know they aired a few Emmons episodes, including the premiere.)
For those curious, here's what the Jim Lange marathon consisted of, per the advance schedule:
-8:00 AM -- 1967 episode (#67-004) with Tom Selleck, Sammy Jackson, and Casey Kasem
-8:30 AM -- 1967 episode (#67-008) with Burt Reynolds
-9:00 AM -- October 6, 1966 nighttime debut (listed as #69-001) with Sally Field and Robert Vaughn
-9:30 AM -- 1969 episode (#69-013) with Marc Copage and Farrah Fawcett
-10:00 AM -- 1972 episode (#72-110) with Michael Jackson
-10:30 AM -- 1974 episode (#74-034) with Amanda Jones and Arnold Schwarzenegger
-11:00 AM -- 1968 episode (#68-150) with Steve Martin
-11:30 AM -- 1969 episode (#69-091) with Don Johnson, Bob Hope, and Robert Goulet
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Question about the Dating Game shows... for the 1965-1973 era, is there a way to tell the 1965-1973 daytime shows from the 1966-1970 nighttime shows (or for that matter, either of those from the 1973-1974 syndicated season)?
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Question about the Dating Game shows... for the 1965-1973 era, is there a way to tell the 1965-1973 daytime shows from the 1966-1970 nighttime shows (or for that matter, either of those from the 1973-1974 syndicated season)?
Jason said a page earlier that in the nighttime shows, there would be people saying things like "Good Evening" instead of Good Afternoon", and Lange reminding viewers to watch the daytime show.
On the 1973-1974 Syndicated edition, which was weekly, ALL the episodes were called The New Dating Game.
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Thank you Vahan!
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And common sense would dictate that shows with episode numbers like 68-150 or 69-091 couldn't be nighttime shows, since the ABC nighttime shows only aired once a week (and could only go up to 52).
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The first 2 episodes listed are easy to eye, the first episode of this marathon also included the return of Bill Dana in Game 2(who was on the 2nd nighttime episode). Now, 67-004 is one of the first episodes to air on Saturday nights, making the episode's OBD to January 21, 1967. Burt Reynolds' episode aired on February 18, 1967. Now Steve Martin's episode should be marked as 68-039, he was on the same episode as Richard Dawson and Bill Bixby, and of course, Farrah Fawcett's episode aired on March 29, 1969. Now as for Don Johnson's episode, was he on the daytime or the nighttime version? Moms Mabley's episode was marked as 67-014 and aired on April 1, 1967 in case you'd like to know. Now as for Michael Jackson's episode, did Michael Jackson's episode really air in June 1972? Because 72-110 was when he appeared in.
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Martin appeared more than once.
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For those curious, here's what the Jim Lange marathon consisted of, per the advance schedule:
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-9:30 AM -- 1969 episode (#69-013) with Marc Copage and Farrah Fawcett
Wasn't he a bit young for her at the time? Marc, you lucky devil.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/NewsTelevisionSeries/videos
This is his channel. Look at it. All the videos used to be uploaded Catnap1972. He stole them from him. That's all the proof you need, Chris. Please apologize for making fun of my name.
Well, as you can tell, NewsTelevisionSeries is kaput/vanished, so that'll be good news for catnap1972 and teeveegameshowstoo(he's the same person BTW) to return to YT.