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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: The Pyramids on February 23, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
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Copied from the pages of TVgameshows.net and saved by me over the years here in GSN's prime time line-up from June, 2004, three months since becoming the Network for Games.
Looking at it now gives you an idea of where the network may have gone before pulling back the following year, starting with new episodes of "Lingo".
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The nighttime schedule:
7:00 Star Search
8:00 WWTBAM
9:00 Dog Eat Dog
10:00 Various
11:00 Street Smarts
11:30 Various
The 10:00 lineup consists of: Mondays, World Series of Blackjack; Tuesdays, Extreme Dodgeball and Kenny vs. Spenny; Wednesdays, Average Joe; Thursdays, Kenny vs. Spenny and Extreme Dodgeball; and Fridays, Vegas Weddings and Spy TV.
At 11:30, GSN airs Who Dares Wins Mondays and Tuesdays, Vegas Weddings Wednesdays, Street Smarts Thursdays and Kenny vs. Spenny Fridays.
The 8-11 midnight weekend block framed by Games Across America includes: Street Smarts, Extreme Dodgeball, Spy TV, Vegas Weddings and Who Dares Wins.
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What was the reason for the big changeover in 2004? Were ratings for the original GSN in the toilet?
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What was the reason for the big changeover in 2004? Were ratings for the original GSN in the toilet?
With the exception of a few "bright spots" (Trivia Trap, Now You See It, Child's Play, Body Language, to name a few), I feel GSN has been in the you-know-where since the changeover.
Cordially,
Tammy
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I asked about the ratings of the original GSN. What were they like when Rich Cronin suggested the changeover?
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We didn't get much information about the networks ratings back then. What I believed happened was that Cronin and the powers that be felt that the networks full slate of originals from '02 to '03 just did not skew young enough and a bold makeover was in order.
We know now while the network would bring us poker & billards & the like in the years to come they partially reconsidered their strategy and have brought us a number of good originals, classics and holliday marathons since then. I think saying the network has been in the toliet for the past ten years is a little harsh.
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I asked about the ratings of the original GSN. What were they like when Rich Cronin suggested the changeover?
What was this for?
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I didn't think Tammy answered my question. That is what it was for.
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So that necessitates you getting huffy about it? She offered an opinion...just because it's not what you wanted to hear doesn't mean you gotta be snarky about it with her or so defensive with me. Just relax.
To answer your question, the reality craze was taking off in 2004, and GSN felt it could have a little more success with that, instead of traditional studio games.
I also agree with Paul that it's a bit much to say GSN has become a steaming pile since 2004. It's not what it was in the late-90s, but I'll take the current lineup over a decade ago any day of the week. Besides, there's plenty of entertainment on Youtube...I'll take that too!
/I just wish Pyramid could've taken off
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This is what we're talking about, Vahan. You get huffy when someone doesn't completely and quickly answer your question and you're not really in a position to dictate terms. Just let people discuss things and enjoy the ride.
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What an...interesting schedule. I never thought I'd see something that'd make hours of Harvey Feud look good, but they realized what did and didn't work, changed things up again, and are looking good right now.
Although to be honest, I'd like to see Street Smarts again. I found it to be a fun time waster at 3am twelve years ago. I'm okay without watching Arsenio Star Search, but I kind of pine for it simply for nostalgia sake.
I think Dog Eat Dog is the only thing from that schedule that is still on the schedule, am I right? I'm not sure if WWTBAM still is, but I didn't think so.
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I'd like someone to have hit Arsenio with the digits.
And shortly after the name change, they did give us a killer daytime lineup for a while ("The Men from GSN" as they so cleverly called it, so as to have a Desperate Housewives ripoff commercial). They brought back the Bill Rafferty shows, and restarted Tom Kennedy PW+ for the first time since 1997.
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And shortly after the name change, they did give us a killer daytime lineup for a while ("The Men from GSN" as they so cleverly called it, so as to have a Desperate Housewives ripoff commercial). They brought back the Bill Rafferty shows, and restarted Tom Kennedy PW+ for the first time since 1997.
YES. Was going to bring this up as well. From 8am-3pm (starting in early 2005), they brought back some shows that hadn't been seen on GSN in some time for the daytime. That block was arguably the best of the post-2004 GSN era...
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And shortly after the name change, they did give us a killer daytime lineup for a while ("The Men from GSN" as they so cleverly called it, so as to have a Desperate Housewives ripoff commercial). They brought back the Bill Rafferty shows, and restarted Tom Kennedy PW+ for the first time since 1997.
YES. Was going to bring this up as well. From 8am-3pm (starting in early 2005), they brought back some shows that hadn't been seen on GSN in some time for the daytime. That block was arguably the best of the post-2004 GSN era...
I agree. I worked overnights at that point, and when I got home, I'd actually stay up till about 11:30 am to watch Rafferty Blockbusters and Password Plus. Was more than worth it.
Although I question Friggin Studs, the Top 50 best shows countdown from summer 2006 wasn't half bad either.
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The changeover was also when GSN began having the absolute worst credit crunchers ever. Cutting them off before they could even end. Nearly all other networks crunch credits, but I have never seen them crunch them the exact same way GSN does. They sometimes even crunch them before the host can even say "bye-bye".
I'm disappointed. Why doesn't GSN offer online streaming of non-original programming that are currently on their network? Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
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I'm disappointed. Why doesn't GSN offer online streaming of non-original programming that are currently on their network? Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
Because they exist to make money for their employees and stakeholders, and not to provide people freely accessible entertainment.
I also question your math, but I doubt you even balance your own accounts, so it's probably a tall ask to get you to understand that too.
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Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
What scares me more about this statement is that it implies that there's a single person who *does*.
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I'm disappointed. Why doesn't GSN offer online streaming of non-original programming that are currently on their network? Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
It's not like you'd watch anyway; they'd do it just for the average casual viewers.
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I'm disappointed. Why doesn't GSN offer online streaming of non-original programming that are currently on their network? Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
Are you going to pony up the money to set this infrastructure up? There's also rights fees that are likely associated with distributing product such as this online, money that isn't free in nature. If you don't like how GSN does business (and clearly, you don't), you're free to set up an alternative network.
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I'm disappointed. Why doesn't GSN offer online streaming of non-original programming that are currently on their network? Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
That's what Youtube, Dailymotion, Vimeo and RuTube are for. Some networks don't like to stream not even their current originals to an online streaming site(yes GSN is included in this issue).
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you're free to set up an alternative network.
Except he can't. You know he can't and it is disingenuous to finish your argument with that. You were bang-on up to this point, but you can't just miracle up a distribution channel out of nothing and take away other people's IP.
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I'm disappointed. Why doesn't GSN offer online streaming of non-original programming that are currently on their network? Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
That's what Youtube, Dailymotion, Vimeo and RuTube are for. Some networks don't like to stream not even their current originals to an online streaming site(yes GSN is included in this issue).
To my knowledge, YouTube was never created for people to infringe on other companies copyrights. Whether the copyright holders care is another issue, Iris.
Except he can't. You know he can't and it is disingenuous to finish your argument with that. You were bang-on up to this point, but you can't just miracle up a distribution channel out of nothing and take away other people's IP.
He can, its just there's lots of barriers to entry that would make it neigh impossible to be successful. Until then, I think he should be happy with what he has.
On a side note, I like the feature this board has--when I was typing my reply to Iris, Travis responded in the interim. I was given a notification that additional posts had been made since I started crafting my reply and was offered the chance to review them before posting.
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On a side note, I like the feature this board has--when I was typing my reply to Iris, Travis responded in the interim. I was given a notification that additional posts had been made since I started crafting my reply and was offered the chance to review them before posting.
That was on the old board too, but it's a very nifty feature.
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Some people don't feel like paying hundreds of dollars just to see one show on GSN.
What scares me more about this statement is that it implies that there's a single person who *does*.
Try spending some time over on the TCM boards. There are posters who get a bug up their ass any time (well not quite every time, but more than often enough) they show a film made after some point in the 1960s. There are posters who pretty much use the argument that they pay $xx to get TCM, and dammit, TCM ought to be programmed to their tastes; the heck with what the rest of us think. It was especially bad in the autumn when TCM ran the "Story of Film" series and not only had a bunch of more recent films, but more recent foreign films to boot.
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Try spending some time over on the TCM boards.
Given:
There are posters who get a bug up their ass any time (well not quite every time, but more than often enough) they show a film made after some point in the 1960s. There are posters who pretty much use the argument that they pay $xx to get TCM, and dammit, TCM ought to be programmed to their tastes; the heck with what the rest of us think.
I think I'll pass, thanks. :)
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As a note: currently I'm subscribing to the Digital Economy tier for $35/month. The tier that has Game Show Network is $88/month. That's a change of $53 per month (assuming there's no promotional rates or changes or what have you.) I suppose that would add up to "hundreds of dollars" over several months, but it isn't the end of the world. It would rate several Pinocchios on a truth-finder website.
Mark's right: if you're not happy with it then choose something else. If you really want it that badly mow a lawn a day or something. If you really want something bad enough you'll find a way to make it work. For me I'm happy with the extra money and time and don't really miss the Pyramid episodes that I've seen several times already.
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(assuming there's no promotional rates
As long as we're being completely straight here, and this was told to me by a Comcast employee when I was signing up for service: if you are EVER on a non-promotional rate with Comcast, you're doing it wrong.
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You mean to tell me I could pay even less than $92 a month for my services?
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Fedya, I don't really agree with that comparison, and I'll tell you why:
At least with TCM, nearly all the movies they show there have been released on a home video format, and can be bought anytime, anywhere. Even some of the films that haven't been released publicly yet will be available eventually.
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At least with TCM, nearly all the movies they show there have been released on a home video format, and can be bought anytime, anywhere. Even some of the films that haven't been released publicly yet will be available eventually.
So? If you want to watch the content you want to watch, you have to pay for it. Why is this so hard for you to get?
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Okay, okay, you win.
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You mean to tell me I could pay even less than $92 a month for my services?
Since I'm paying $97 and change and I know I get a lot more product than you do, I sincerely hope so. Of course it involves the "call them and threaten to cancel" gambit, but I suspect they will find you some sort of deal.
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As long as we're being completely straight here, and this was told to me by a Comcast employee when I was signing up for service: if you are EVER on a non-promotional rate with Comcast, you're doing it wrong.
THIS. I don't believe in paying full price for anything if I don't have to. Back in '04 I had gotten Comcast for the first time, and when my year was up, the internet went right to the $42.99/mo regular price. I called and pretty much said I was going to go to DSL, and "what can you do for me"? The CSR, without a pause, said "Well I can give you $29.99/mo for a year". DONE. That was when I learned how easy that was......Also, I've had satellite radio on and off over the last 10 years. Back in 2012 I bought an external unit, which, due to vehicle issues, after a month I had to cancel. They chased after me for a LONG time with a "6 months for $25" offer. I've since gotten a new vehicle and have a free trial until June. Once that runs out I'm going to wait it out awhile (I have Google Play Music to help tide me over too, and other audio apps) and bite on the 6 for $25 offer when it comes up again.
/ObGameShow: Listened to an enjoyable interview that Tom Bergeron did with Howard Stern a few weeks ago.
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Has anyone ever done that where the Comcast representative calls the bluff and cancels the service?
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Has anyone ever done that where the Comcast representative calls the bluff and cancels the service?
That is exactly why I have never seriously tossed around the "C-word" too much. I would be too worried that they WOULD pull the plug...
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Although I question Friggin Studs, the Top 50 best shows countdown from summer 2006 wasn't half bad either.
What I remember most about the Top 50 countdown is the endless debate on the Forum about whether GSN would actually show an episode of TPIR once the countdown got there...And for the ones who don't remember or weren't around, the answer to that question was "No".
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Has anyone ever done that where the Comcast representative calls the bluff and cancels the service?
At which point, you hang up. Oops, dropped the call.
The easier way to couch it is "Hey, my bill is just too big, if you don't have a promotion you can put me on, I'm probably going to have to cancel my service." Or even easier: "Hey, your competition is offering me X, what can you do for me?"
This does require a confrontation with real human beings (or whatever Comcast is employing in their stead these days), so it's not for everyone - and that is exactly what Comcast is counting on. But it's a damn sight easier to go into an Xfinity store and say "Hey, I've been keeping track, and next month my bill is going to go up $60. Obviously that's not going to stand, so what can you do for me?" when I was told very specifically by an employee of an Xfinity store, during a business transaction, to do exactly that.
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Fedya, I don't really agree with that comparison, and I'll tell you why:
At least with TCM, nearly all the movies they show there have been released on a home video format, and can be bought anytime, anywhere. Even some of the films that haven't been released publicly yet will be available eventually.
At which point you run into the people who complain that TCM is running movies into the ground through overplaying, or the one poster who had a bug up his ass claiming that TCM was specifically programming the schedule to try to push DVDs.
Some of the posters at the TCM boards seem to be almost as bad as some GSN viewers in thinking that the channel should just be able to get the rights to air whatever they want at any time.
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That is exactly why I have never seriously tossed around the "C-word" too much. I would be too worried that they WOULD pull the plug...
Tell them you're looking at your options and you're "strongly considering" cancelling if they're unable to get you a better rate.
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This reminds me of my hassles with DirecTV. I refuse to pay the going rate for their services for my package. However, they told me just today that being I have had a lot of discounts on my account this past year they have to wait six months to reapply some of them. No amount of threatening changes that either sadly. :(
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I had a lot of problems last February when my discounts expired. I was told a new story each time I called.
It took about 6 months for credits to be available as well.
Take it from me: It doesn't hurt to call every week once your credits do expire. You never know when they may put some back on sooner.