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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Skynet74 on December 31, 2003, 12:52:35 PM
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Well in the past 5 years we have had two Game Show Theme CD's released. Have these been successful enough to expect more in the future? I realize that it's a very small portion of the American public who are even interested in such a thing. Mostly radio stations who want the music for On Air Games and assorted bits. I assume that the CD's didn't do all that well with the general public. I wish I had an exact Sales number to go by, unfortunately I don't. Anyone else know the inside scoop. Will there be any more releases of such CD's.
thanks,
John
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David Schwartz of GSN was the driving force behind those two releases. He enthusiastically did a lot of legwork in unearthing source tapes and prepping the creative while Cary at Varese did the legal and logistics behind the release. We owe them both a big vote of thanks.
In my last conversation with David he indicated that he felt the project was pretty well exhausted as there are no other "major" themes that appear to be available for licensing. In his opinion, with TPIR, J!, WOF, etc. and most of the old really memorable classics all represented on the first 2 releases there is little sales potential for a third release. I have to agree; we on the lunatic fringe of fandom can't support a release, even if we all bought 2 copies ;-)
But, there is another player who just entered to picture who says he has had a preliminary conversation with Cary at Varese. He told me he will be sniffing around to see if there is enough material in good quality that can be licensed, and whether a third release is viable. I'm cautiously optimistic, but even IF it comes to pass, it certainly won't be very soon.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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You guys would really like "The Big Showdown: The Original Soundtrack." Yes, Score produced enough music for that show to fill an enitre CD. Varese is a great label and they should be commended for what they have already done, but I still would like to have a "Best of Score Productions" CD. Varese often will release Web exclusives, so it proves that they will serve more than the masses.
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Well, let's see ... they could include some of the newer stuff: Millionaire, the new Pyramid and FF, maybe even Paul Shaffer's version of "I'm a Survivor" :) And the "Ode to Joy" that Ben Stein used?
That could, with some of the older stuff that might be out there, could give you a third record. Maybe Nick Clooney would like to re-record his singing from The Moneymaze?
(Seriously, and I'm afraid to start a thread of "what should be on" because we've had so many, but how about the late-60s "neener-neener-neener" theme from IGAS?
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Do you know if these include the music from the $20,000 Pyramid that was played when someone won in the Winner's Circle?
If not, do you know of any sites that might have it?
Thanks very much, and Happy New Year everyone!
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Dec 31 2003, 01:51 PM\']Well, let's see ... they could include some of the newer stuff: Millionaire, the new Pyramid and FF, maybe even Paul Shaffer's version of "I'm a Survivor" :)[/quote]
What, no Theme From Will It Float?
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[quote name=\'wasabe\' date=\'Dec 31 2003, 12:07 PM\'] Do you know if these include the music from the $20,000 Pyramid that was played when someone won in the Winner's Circle?
If not, do you know of any sites that might have it?
Thanks very much, and Happy New Year everyone! [/quote]
Assuming that's still "Tuning Up", that's on the....second CD, I believe.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:32 AM\'] Assuming that's still "Tuning Up", that's on the....second CD, I believe. [/quote]
Thanks!
I didn't know it was called "Tuning Up". You really helped me out.
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Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. Bob Cobert has just about been exhausted. There may not be a clean version of the '60s IGAS march as that show used a studio band -- same with the various versions of BTC. There is no shortage of titles, IMO. Perhaps Kalehoff is one of the people reluctant to license his stuff.
If you went back to the Paul Taubman era there's Twenty One, Tic Tac Dough and others but, having used studio bands, there may not be clean versions sans announcers and applause. Yet there has to be a clean version of Jack Meakin's version of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding" somewhere.
This is not intended to start a series of "wish list" posts but is merely a recital of what's available.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\'] Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. [/quote]
Was Concentration not supposed to be on the second CD? I thought I heard from somewhere that licensing issues or something of that ilk prevented it from being included.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 05:52 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\'] Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. [/quote]
Was Concentration not supposed to be on the second CD? I thought I heard from somewhere that licensing issues or something of that ilk prevented it from being included.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
The Paul Taubman original themes of Concentration and Twenty-One were both considered for the second CD, but rights issues was reportedly the reason they didn't appear on it. Pearson sent over the 1982 Tattletales theme in a mistake, too. Apparently the 1974 Tattletales theme was the one originally scheduled to appear on the CD.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 06:51 PM\'] [quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 05:52 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\'] Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. [/quote]
Was Concentration not supposed to be on the second CD? I thought I heard from somewhere that licensing issues or something of that ilk prevented it from being included.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
The Paul Taubman original themes of Concentration and Twenty-One were both considered for the second CD, but rights issues was reportedly the reason they didn't appear on it. Pearson sent over the 1982 Tattletales theme in a mistake, too. Apparently the 1974 Tattletales theme was the one originally scheduled to appear on the CD. [/quote]
I found a very infomative post that goes into those from a while back around the release of the 2nd CD by Jake Tanner.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&...ie%3DISO-8859-1 (http://\"http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=39e6d090.18090734%40news.pacbell.net&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dgame%2Bshow%2Bcd%2Btattletales%2Bjake%2Btanner%2B%253Aalt.tv.game-shows.*%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1\")
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[quote name=\'wasabe\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 09:51 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:32 AM\'] Assuming that's still "Tuning Up", that's on the....second CD, I believe. [/quote]
Thanks!
I didn't know it was called "Tuning Up". You really helped me out. [/quote]
Tuning Up by Ken Aldin. It was used for $10K, $20K, $25K, and $50K Pyramids. The one by Bob Cobert was used for New $25K, and $100K Pyramids.
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I'd do anything to hear "Take Ten" from the Fleming Jeopardy again. I'm sure Merv Griffin has that in his closet somewhere. His ex-wife composed that one.
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WOuld love to get the theme to the 79 version of Jeopardy. I've heard that it was used on Wheel for a while for a prize cue. Anyone know the name of it, or have it?
Thanks.
Mark
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[quote name=\'JCGames\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:01 PM\']I'd do anything to hear "Take Ten" from the Fleming Jeopardy again. I'm sure Merv Griffin has that in his closet somewhere. His ex-wife composed that one.[/quote]
His ex-wife is one of the things Merv has in his closet.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 03:51 PM\']The Paul Taubman original themes of Concentration and Twenty-One were both considered for the second CD, but rights issues was reportedly the reason they didn't appear on it. Pearson sent over the 1982 Tattletales theme in a mistake, too. Apparently the 1974 Tattletales theme was the one originally scheduled to appear on the CD.[/quote]
There might be some difficulty in dealing with the Taubman estate or whoever holds the rights now. I assume Mr. Taubman is no longer with us. I don't even recall hearing any original Twenty One show cues in Robert Redford's movie, come to think of it.
The 1982 TT theme sounds like a second-tier TPIR prize cue. TT I would have been far preferable.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 08:44 PM\'] His ex-wife is one of the things Merv has in his closet. [/quote]
Keep using the phrases "Merv Griffin" and "in the closet" together and you are venturing into very dangerous territory. ;)
{Seinfeld} Not that there's anything wrong with that. {/Seinfeld}
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\'] Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. Bob Cobert has just about been exhausted. There may not be a clean version of the '60s IGAS march as that show used a studio band -- same with the various versions of BTC. There is no shortage of titles, IMO. Perhaps Kalehoff is one of the people reluctant to license his stuff.
If you went back to the Paul Taubman era there's Twenty One, Tic Tac Dough and others but, having used studio bands, there may not be clean versions sans announcers and applause. Yet there has to be a clean version of Jack Meakin's version of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding" somewhere.
This is not intended to start a series of "wish list" posts but is merely a recital of what's available. [/quote]
Who did some of the Barris themes? (later Newlywed Game, 3's a Crowd, Treasure Hunt). I don't seem to recall ever seeing much for music credits on his shows.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 01:43 AM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\'] Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. Bob Cobert has just about been exhausted. There may not be a clean version of the '60s IGAS march as that show used a studio band -- same with the various versions of BTC. There is no shortage of titles, IMO. Perhaps Kalehoff is one of the people reluctant to license his stuff.
If you went back to the Paul Taubman era there's Twenty One, Tic Tac Dough and others but, having used studio bands, there may not be clean versions sans announcers and applause. Yet there has to be a clean version of Jack Meakin's version of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding" somewhere.
This is not intended to start a series of "wish list" posts but is merely a recital of what's available. [/quote]
Who did some of the Barris themes? (later Newlywed Game, 3's a Crowd, Treasure Hunt). I don't seem to recall ever seeing much for music credits on his shows. [/quote]
Just a guess, but was it Lee Ringuette?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 01:43 AM\']
Who did some of the Barris themes? (later Newlywed Game, 3's a Crowd, Treasure Hunt). [/quote]
Milton Delugg did the 80s New NG theme.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 08:03 AM\'] [quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 01:43 AM\']
Who did some of the Barris themes? (later Newlywed Game, 3's a Crowd, Treasure Hunt). [/quote]
Milton Delugg did the 80s New NG theme. [/quote]
Yeah, but in the credits, Lee Ringuette is listed as having composed the theme, although it is just an updated version of the original theme by Milton DeLugg. Lee also did the 80's DG too, plus, didn't he do the theme to the 80's Gong Show?
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 12:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 08:03 AM\'] [quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 01:43 AM\']
Who did some of the Barris themes? (later Newlywed Game, 3's a Crowd, Treasure Hunt). [/quote]
Milton Delugg did the 80s New NG theme. [/quote]
Yeah, but in the credits, Lee Ringuette is listed as having composed the theme, although it is just an updated version of the original theme by Milton DeLugg. Lee also did the 80's DG too, plus, didn't he do the theme to the 80's Gong Show? [/quote]
I've never seen Gong '88 [I probably should be glad] but the Encyclopedia credits Joey Carbone with the theme from that version.
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[quote name=\'Argo\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 11:16 PM\'] WOuld love to get the theme to the 79 version of Jeopardy. I've heard that it was used on Wheel for a while for a prize cue. Anyone know the name of it, or have it?
Thanks.
Mark [/quote]
"'Frisco Disco" was the title of J79's theme, IIRC.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\']
If you went back to the Paul Taubman era there's Twenty One, Tic Tac Dough and others but, having used studio bands, there may not be clean versions sans announcers and applause. Yet there has to be a clean version of Jack Meakin's version of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding" somewhere.
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Jack Meakin's version of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding," is on TVT's Televisions Greatest Hits Volume 4 CD.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 01:43 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:52 PM\'] Score Productions/Edd Kalehoff still have some stuff up their sleeves: P+, Super Password, Tattletales I, Concentration, Trivia Trap, Card Sharks II, TTTT '80, He Said/She Said to name a few. Hal Hidey has Play the Percentages and Bullseye. Bob Cobert has just about been exhausted. There may not be a clean version of the '60s IGAS march as that show used a studio band -- same with the various versions of BTC. There is no shortage of titles, IMO. Perhaps Kalehoff is one of the people reluctant to license his stuff.
If you went back to the Paul Taubman era there's Twenty One, Tic Tac Dough and others but, having used studio bands, there may not be clean versions sans announcers and applause. Yet there has to be a clean version of Jack Meakin's version of "Hooray for Captain Spaulding" somewhere.
This is not intended to start a series of "wish list" posts but is merely a recital of what's available. [/quote]
Who did some of the Barris themes? (later Newlywed Game, 3's a Crowd, Treasure Hunt). I don't seem to recall ever seeing much for music credits on his shows.[/quote]
Barris wrote the themes for almost all of his shows. From 1978 until he sold the company and left the country for the Riviera, the arrangements and new music were done by Milton DeLugg--DeLugg also shared credit with Barris for "The Gong Show" theme and probably shared credit for the "$1.98 Beauty Show" closing theme ("You win the croooowwwwnnnnn/And a dollar-ninety-eigggghhhttt..."). Lee Ringuette was much like Stan Blits--he selected the music, supervised any edits or remixing and cued the audio men during tapings--but he wasn't a composer or arranger. Ringuette's predecessor, Frank Jaffe, was credited as a producer on the 1973 Barris LP "Themes from TV Game Shows," but I imagine that neither he nor *his* predecessor, Barris' first wife Lyn, were musicians.
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maybe I should have said vault instead of closet. :)
Take Ten was indeed written by Julann Griffin. Merv wrote the famous think music which is now the theme of the current version of Jeopardy.
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Lee Ringuette was much like Stan Blits--he selected the music, supervised any edits or remixing and cued the audio men during tapings--but he wasn't a composer or arranger.
Contrary to folklore posted elsewhere, Stan is not a musician and did not compose, arrange, conduct or otherwise act as "musical director" for Classic Concentration or any of the other shows he's worked on.
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I've never seen Gong '88 [I probably should be glad] but the Encyclopedia credits Joey Carbone with the theme from that version.
And you should also be glad that Varese didn't use the Gong '88 theme on the 2nd CD...that was their original plan. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Lee Ringuette was much like Stan Blits--he selected the music, supervised any edits or remixing and cued the audio men during tapings--but he wasn't a composer or arranger.
So can we also assume that Ringuette didn't compose the PYL music package? (Don't recall offhand what his credit read)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 10:28 PM\']
I've never seen Gong '88 [I probably should be glad] but the Encyclopedia credits Joey Carbone with the theme from that version.
And you should also be glad that Varese didn't use the Gong '88 theme on the 2nd CD...that was their original plan. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
I figured as much. :-)
ObGameShow: When Charlie O' was taking questions at Wheel, someone brought up Gong and Charlie mentioned his stint announcing the Don Bleu version, and also mentioned it was being revived [an allusion to the Jeffery Ross-hosted version that never came to light, most likely]
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 08:32 PM\']
Lee Ringuette was much like Stan Blits--he selected the music, supervised any edits or remixing and cued the audio men during tapings--but he wasn't a composer or arranger.
So can we also assume that Ringuette didn't compose the PYL music package? (Don't recall offhand what his credit read)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
I've found out by watching PYL, as well as downloading both the Opening and Closing themes from 80stvthemes.com: The composer IS Lee Ringuette.
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His credit on PYL was "Music Supervisor", just like Stan Blits' is on TPIR. So, in effect, this would mean that Score Productions more than likely composed and performed the music on PYL, which is odd, since PYL's theme sounds NOTHING like any other Score theme from around that era. Lee Ringuette probably approved the theme, as well as the BGM for the Whammies....... at least until Byl Carruthers took over a little while into the run.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 09:38 PM\'] When Charlie O' was taking questions at Wheel, someone brought up Gong and Charlie mentioned his stint announcing the Don Bleu version [/quote]
Isn't that where he met his current wife?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 08:52 PM\'] Stan is not a musician and did not compose, arrange, conduct or otherwise act as "musical director" for Classic Concentration or any of the other shows he's worked on.[/quote]
And CC is one of his favorites
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 01:30 AM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 09:38 PM\'] When Charlie O' was taking questions at Wheel, someone brought up Gong and Charlie mentioned his stint announcing the Don Bleu version [/quote]
Isn't that where he met his current wife? [/quote]
To tell the truth, I honestly don't know. He made no mention of it.
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Speaking of Charlie O' and PYL, I found out that he was a sub-announcer for PYL. Is this true?
Because, out of all the episodes GSN has got, there has been only one sub-announcer so far, and he's John Harlan.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 04:38 PM\'] Speaking of Charlie O' and PYL, I found out that he was a sub-announcer for PYL. Is this true?
Because, out of all the episodes GSN has got, there has been only one sub-announcer so far, and he's John Harlan. [/quote]
John Harlan announced a couple of weeks in Fall 1984, and GSN has aired those episodes a few times. GSN hasn't aired the Charlie O'Donnell-announced PYL shows as they are from Spring 1986, and I don't think GSN has acquired episodes that far into the run as yet.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 07:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 04:38 PM\'] Speaking of Charlie O' and PYL, I found out that he was a sub-announcer for PYL. Is this true?
Because, out of all the episodes GSN has got, there has been only one sub-announcer so far, and he's John Harlan. [/quote]
John Harlan announced a couple of weeks in Fall 1984, and GSN has aired those episodes a few times. GSN hasn't aired the Charlie O'Donnell-announced PYL shows as they are from Spring 1986, and I don't think GSN has acquired episodes that far into the run as yet. [/quote]
Charlie O. was even put on camera a couple of times during his guest-announcing tenure. John never was. The last times I saw John Harlan on camera were during The Mrs. America Pageant hosted by Peter Marshall in the mid-1980s as he drove the winner's car on stage. Also, after being heard many times as "Radio Announcer" he was at last shown as a TV news anchor on General Hospital.
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 09:32 PM\']
Lee Ringuette was much like Stan Blits--he selected the music, supervised any edits or remixing and cued the audio men during tapings--but he wasn't a composer or arranger.
So can we also assume that Ringuette didn't compose the PYL music package? (Don't recall offhand what his credit read)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")[/quote]
He was "Music Coordinator"--the same credit he held at Barris.
In the shows that are running now on GSN, he's been replaced by one Byl Carruthers. Gosh, could he be any relation to the producer?
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Searching the BMI's Repertoire database, it says that Bob Israel wrote the opening/closing themes plus some background cues. Byl Carruthers is also credited with background cues, as well as some of the Whammy music (some of the titles listed are "Give Back the Money", "I Stop for Whammys", "Whammador", "Tammy's Debut", etc...).