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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: curtking on January 18, 2014, 03:17:30 PM
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In conjunction with the Battle of the Decades tournament, Jeopardy is releasing several older episodes on the streaming service Crackle:
http://www.crackle.com/c/jeopardy-flashback (http://www.crackle.com/c/jeopardy-flashback)
It looks like they'll be releasing the 15 episodes (80's, 90's, 00's) in phases. The first five episodes are from the 80's and they're available now.
Curt
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So do these episodes coincide with the selected contestants?
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So do these episodes coincide with the selected contestants?
Yes. More specifically the fifth day of the champions' runs (Scott, Frates, Cooper, Vered, Shannon - players selected by the show).
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Yes. More specifically the fifth day of the champions' runs (Scott, Frates, Cooper, Vered, Shannon - players selected by the show).
Really? Not even just "a representative game," but specifically their retirement game? That's an utterly brilliant idea and I give them all props for the forethought.
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Curt, thank you for sharing. I am watching them as I type this.
Update: Just got done watching them. They have the original King-World logos and copyright disclaimers. Sweet! None of the GSN reruns from season 9 featured them, and GSN never showed Seasons 4-8. They showed the finale of the Super Jeopardy! spin-off from 1990, but that's about it.
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Also, the only Seasons 10-11 episodes GSN has ever reran were the Celebrity episodes. Curt, I found out that your Teen Tournament QF episode did appear on GSN once and it was Game #571 and your QF episode aired on February 9, 1987. You told me that you were not sure if GSN reran your QF game but Jamie Locklin and catnap1972 found out they did.
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Super Jeopardy! spin-off from 1990, but that's about it.
This is the first time I've seen the Super Jeopardy tournament referred to as a spin-off.
For Jerome his fourth game was the more impressive; and as it happens he was not in a position to overtake Officer Frank for the all-time record anyway.
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Super Jeopardy! spin-off from 1990, but that's about it.
This is the first time I've seen the Super Jeopardy tournament referred to as a spin-off.
To be fair, couldn't you call it a spin-off? It might've been a tournament but it was produced as a separate series at the same time.
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To be fair, no. It was a super tournament. Certainly not in the same league as Knots Landing, Next Generation or Boston Legal. It didn't probe any new ground other than how awful Jeopardy can be when you have four players playing.
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To be fair, no. It was a super tournament. Certainly not in the same league as Knots Landing, Next Generation or Boston Legal. It didn't probe any new ground other than how awful Jeopardy can be when you have four players playing.
But as I said, it was produced as a separate series. If it simply took place as part of a regular Jeopardy season, then Mr. Nissan's calling it of a spin-off is erroneous.
Since it was devised as a separate series and not designed to air as part of the season (like the 10th Anniversary, Million Dollar Masters, and UTOC were), to me that qualifies it as a spin-off.
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Are we really arguing over calling something a "spin-off" or not? Seriously, is it that big of a deal?
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Are we really arguing over calling something a "spin-off" or not? Seriously, is it that big of a deal?
Geez, man, did your dog die or something? You're being extra crotchety this week.
What's the big deal? It's a discussion of merits. One says it has them, one says it doesn't. Nobody's saying anything offensive and nobody's getting their bloomers in a bunch over it. Civil debate.
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Are we really arguing over calling something a "spin-off" or not? Seriously, is it that big of a deal?
Arguing would be a strong word for it, but there's kind of a dearth of game show content right now.
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The first five episodes are from the 80's
.......and yet they're from 1990-92. Still a pleasure to see them, though, and thanks for the information and the link.
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The first five episodes are from the 80's
.......and yet they're from 1990-92. Still a pleasure to see them, though, and thanks for the information and the link.
... as Jeopardy's '80s consists of September 1984 - August 1994.
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The first five episodes are from the 80's
.......and yet they're from 1990-92. Still a pleasure to see them, though, and thanks for the information and the link.
... as Jeopardy's '80s consists of September 1984 - August 1994.
That's idiotic. The years 1990-94 were part of the 90s, not the 80s. It should say from Jeopardy!'s first decade then.
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From Inside Jeopardy there's a mention of someone who added "accent aigu" to a response to make it wrong; turns out it was Jim Scott who paid $4,000 to add such diacritical mark to the spelling of Paul Klee's name.
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From Inside Jeopardy there's a mention of someone who added "accent aigu" to a response to make it wrong; turns out it was Jim Scott who paid $4,000 to add such diacritical mark to the spelling of Paul Klee's name.
Ahem, I believe it's spelled Klée.
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Ahem, I believe it's spelled Klée.
If you have four grand laying about you can spell it however you want; you can throw in the Batman symbol for all I care. :)
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Here's something to add on: Day 5 of Tom Nosek's run from November 23, 1992 is now posted on Crackle. Now this one has the drumroll at the end, which dates back to the Celebrity J! episodes weeks earlier.
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They're not all the retirement games; Frank's first episode was the one up, and the first-half of the grand final of Phoebe's college championship.
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They're not all the retirement games; Frank's first episode was the one up, and the first-half of the grand final of Phoebe's college championship.
Also, 2 Season 3 episodes are up(both BTW were seen on GSN once): Day 1 of Richard Cordray's run from April 14, 1987 and Day 3 of Bob Verini's run from June 15, 1987 are up as well. Now, for Seasons 1 and 3, some markets had one week of episodes aired accordingly to the opening slate while other markets aired the same week of episodes a week earlier. So we'll just go by Game # for those seasons.
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All fifteen "'80s" participants have episodes up, now.
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So we'll just go by Game # for those seasons.
Good to know.
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They're not all the retirement games; Frank's first episode was the one up, and the first-half of the grand final of Phoebe's college championship.
Now, for Seasons 1 and 3, some markets had one week of episodes aired accordingly to the opening slate while other markets aired the same week of episodes a week earlier. So we'll just go by Game # for those seasons.
That's not true. The earliest seasons 1, 2 and 3 began were September 10, 1984, September 9, 1985 and September 8, 1986 respectively. And you don't speak for me, or even everyone.
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And you don't speak for me, or even everyone.
You're one to talk.
/That's all I'm saying.
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And you don't speak for me, or even everyone.
Settle down. I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to literally speak for the group...even if he was, it's no reason to get so bent out of shape.
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I see Chuck's 2nd episode is audio only for the last segment.
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And you don't speak for me, or even everyone.
Settle down. I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to literally speak for the group...even if he was, it's no reason to get so bent out of shape.
When has that stopped him?
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I see Chuck's 2nd episode is audio only for the last segment.
Plays without problems on my end.
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I see Chuck's 2nd episode is audio only for the last segment.
Plays without problems on my end.
Not sure if it is due to Crackle, or the Roku device I use to watch it, but let's just say that more times than not, the transitions going to and from "commercial breaks" have a lot to be desired, including the aforementioned "audio only" problems.
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Games for the second decade of Jeopardy are up on Crackle, the first decade games remain.
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The videos for the third decade are up now. Also, unless I missed this before, the videos are now marked to expired May 31.
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the videos are now marked to expired May 31.
Feel free to whoosh me if needed, but...why?
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Feel free to whoosh me if needed, but...why?
Presumably the tournament will be over by then.
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Presumably the tournament will be over by then.
Presumably yes, but it'd be nice if they'd think there would be people interested in watching the episodes afterwards.
It'd be even nicer if they'd think, "Let's make more episodes available just for the heck of it."
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Presumably yes, but it'd be nice if they'd think there would be people interested in watching the episodes afterwards.
It'd be even nicer if they'd think, "Let's make more episodes available just for the heck of it."
Both of these things also cost money.
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Presumably yes, but it'd be nice if they'd think there would be people interested in watching the episodes afterwards.
It'd be even nicer if they'd think, "Let's make more episodes available just for the heck of it."
That would indeed be *so* nice.
But it is reasonable to assume that some money is changing hands (even between divisions of Sony, of which Crackle is apparently a subsidiary) or that some sort of finite resource (server space, conversion labor, bandwidth) is being consumed in order to make these episodes available.
I'm going to guess that without the cross-promotion of this tournament, there are probably more profitable things to use those finite resources on.
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Attention citizenry of the Game Show Forum, I have a question for ye:
What's the last thing you watched on Crackle that wasn't a Jeopardy episode? Because for me that answer is C) None of the above. Am I more likely to use their service now? Yes, as even a fraction of something is more than zero. I would love it if all of the visual content ever created was available for my consumption any time I damn well please on whatever device I can fire up. But that's not the case, we all have to pick our spots. For me Jeopardy is really one of those shows that except for a tournament once I've watched an episode I'm pretty well good.
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I'm going to guess that without the cross-promotion of this tournament, there are probably more profitable things to use those finite resources on.
Yeah, probably, though, hey, if they could be proven wrong...
While on the subject, I wonder when episodes will be made available online in short order after they first air. It seems pretty old fashioned in this day an age it's either catch an episode on its first run or you lose, lest it gets reaired in the six-week break or on Saturday next year. I would think the show has a strong enough following that if somebody were to inadvertently miss an episode, they'd make the effort to see it to fill in the gap between successive episodes.
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While on the subject, I wonder when episodes will be made available online in short order after they first air. It seems pretty old fashioned in this day an age it's either catch an episode on its first run or you lose, lest it gets reaired in the six-week break or on Saturday next year. I would think the show has a strong enough following that if somebody were to inadvertently miss an episode, they'd make the effort to see it to fill in the gap between successive episodes.
How much would you be willing to pay to do that? Would you pay a greater amount to not do it a la carte but instead to know that you can do that any time in the entire season? How many people would sign up for that?
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How much would you be willing to pay to do that? Would you pay a greater amount to not do it a la carte but instead to know that you can do that any time in the entire season? How many people would sign up for that?
Quote me some numbers, and I'd decide on the best deal in my interest, I guess. My point is merely that the networks and services like Hulu have found ways to make first-run shows available on the Internet (and free to the viewers at that). Something for the syndicated world should be possible.
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Attention citizenry of the Game Show Forum, I have a question for ye:
What's the last thing you watched on Crackle that wasn't a Jeopardy episode?
An episode of Sanford and Son. :-P
Even though my Roku has the big three streaming apps (Crackle, Hulu+, Netflix), I really only use the latter, and even that is sporadic. I suppose I could catch a few episodes of Jeopardy! though...
/Not counting yesterday's binge session of Orange is the New Black
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Not to veer this off-topic, but I wonder why Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! haven't at least started uploading recent episodes online? If CBS can put episodes of Price up everyday, I don't see why the two powerhouses of syndication couldn't. I suppose it would be a little more difficult since Price airs at the same time everyday, while these two might not, but given that they're at least done airing by 8pm, uploading them the next day wouldn't be a bad idea.
I'm not in charge of these decisions, and I don't know the logistics behind how they work, but if there is working model for it, I think it's worth a shot. Hell, maybe that's what this was.
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Not to veer this off-topic, but I wonder why Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! haven't at least started uploading recent episodes online?
Because their syndication deals become significantly less lucrative the second they do.
If CBS can put episodes of Price up everyday, I don't see why the two powerhouses of syndication couldn't.
CBS isn't trying to get TV stations to pay to carry their show. In fact, it kinda works in the other direction.
I don't know the logistics behind how they work
Yes.
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Yeah, probably, though, hey, if they could be proven wrong...
How do you propose this happen?
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If CBS can put episodes of Price up everyday, I don't see why the two powerhouses of syndication couldn't.
CBS isn't trying to get TV stations to pay to carry their show. In fact, it kinda works in the other direction.
Ah yes. This makes sense. Since anyone can air these two shows and only CBS can air Price, CBS doesn't have to worry about more than one medium taking away viewers.
Not to veer this off-topic, but I wonder why Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! haven't at least started uploading recent episodes online?
Because their syndication deals become significantly less lucrative the second they do.
Well considering the ratings have eroded drastically since the beginning of the 21st century, would it be foolish to say that they should embrace the new medium or is it too soon? Netflix seems to be getting acclaim for its original series, but I don't know exactly how well that translates to money. Though I would suppose that the syndication money far outweighs any potential streaming money.
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Netflix seems to be getting acclaim for its original series, but I don't know exactly how well that translates to money. Though I would suppose that the syndication money far outweighs any potential streaming money.
That's an easy thing to find out: how many people bought a scrip for Orange/Black, All New Arrested Development or House of Cards?
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Though I would suppose that the syndication money far outweighs any potential streaming money.
Here's what would need to happen: If the stations who they have syndication deals with no longer have exclusives on the distribution of the show, the value of carrying the show is lessened significantly. Sony would then need to make up that difference plus overhead costs (servers and bandwidth aren't free) in the online advertising sold for the streaming versions of the show.
Trust me when I tell you the market isn't anywhere CLOSE to being there yet.
Before you point at House of Cards and Orange Is Teh New Black and say "but but but but they don't even SELL advertising!!" I'm going to point out that those shows are going to make metric farktons of money on the back end vis a vis home video sales (for that huge amount of the country who still doesn't have the bandwidth to handle Netflix) and/or international broadcast rights, never mind any subscription boosts Netflix has enjoyed since carrying those programs.