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Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: Chuck Sutton on October 08, 2013, 12:27:20 PM

Again Are there rules on when Alex asks someone to be more specific when just giving a last name.


 


Last week in a category on TV charactors the answer was \"Homey, the clown\"   The player responded \"Who is Wayans?\"


 


If there was ever a response that needed  a first name,  it is which Wayans played which character on In Living Color.


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: TLEberle on October 08, 2013, 12:34:17 PM
\"Prompt on: Roosevelt,\" \"Do not accept: Theodore Roosevelt\".
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: Chuck Sutton on October 08, 2013, 12:37:30 PM

Yes, but there were two Presidents named Roosevelt.  There were 5 Wayans on In Living Color.


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: TLEberle on October 08, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
Without inside knowledge (all hailing frequencies open!) the rule seems like it would be if Alex\'s game sheet says \"Prompt on: Wayans,\" then the contestant is asked to be more specific. If it doesn\'t, Alex doesn\'t ask.
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: clemon79 on October 08, 2013, 01:00:21 PM


Without inside knowledge (all hailing frequencies open!) the rule seems like it would be if Alex\'s game sheet says \"Prompt on: Wayans,\" then the contestant is asked to be more specific. If it doesn\'t, Alex doesn\'t ask.




 


I think Chuck is pointing out (assuming all of this information is accurate) that this is a failing on the part of the writing / research team, and that if it DIDN\'T say \"Prompt on: Wayans\" on Alex\'s sheet, it should have.

Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 08, 2013, 01:34:58 PM

The strangest \"be more specific\" I ever saw on Jeopardy was a presidents category where a player responded with \"Who is Kennedy?\"  Yes, there is a whole family of political folks named Kennedy, but if \'president\' is assumed in the category, I don\'t see the need for prompting.


 


I agree with Chuck that \'Wayans\' by itself should not have been enough.


 


I had a taping last night where I wanted \'Conestoga wagon\' and I prompted a kid who said \'covered wagon\'.  He didn\'t get it, and later I felt bad because I don\'t think the question was specific enough as written.  (It wasn\'t one of mine.)


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: chris319 on October 08, 2013, 02:37:15 PM
if Alex\'s game sheet says \"Prompt on: Wayans,\" then the contestant is asked to be more specific. If it doesn\'t, Alex doesn\'t ask.

 



Do you know for a fact that this is how Jeopardy! operates and if so, how do you come by that information?


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: chris319 on October 08, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
I had a taping last night where I wanted \'Conestoga wagon\' and I prompted a kid who said \'covered wagon\'.

 



Why wouldn\'t covered wagon be an acceptable answer?


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: clemon79 on October 08, 2013, 03:16:49 PM

Why wouldn\'t covered wagon be an acceptable answer?


 


Because a Conestoga wagon is a specific type of covered wagon, and I\'m going to guess the question pinned to that.

Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: chris319 on October 08, 2013, 03:47:32 PM


 



Why wouldn\'t covered wagon be an acceptable answer?


 


Because a Conestoga wagon is a specific type of covered wagon, and I\'m going to guess the question pinned to that.


 




What\'s the difference? Good luck explaining this one considering you don\'t even know what the question was.

Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: clemon79 on October 08, 2013, 03:56:15 PM

What\'s the difference? Good luck explaining this one considering you don\'t even know what the question was.


 


Yeah, I don\'t think I\'m going to engage if I\'m going to be treated like that. Feel free to look it up on Wikipedia, which is what I did.

Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: chris319 on October 08, 2013, 04:09:56 PM


 



What\'s the difference? Good luck explaining this one considering you don\'t even know what the question was.


 


Yeah, I don\'t think I\'m going to engage if I\'m going to be treated like that. Feel free to look it up on Wikipedia, which is what I did.


 




In other words, you don\'t have a clue.

Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: jjman920 on October 08, 2013, 05:22:05 PM


 


if Alex\'s game sheet says \"Prompt on: Wayans,\" then the contestant is asked to be more specific. If it doesn\'t, Alex doesn\'t ask.

 



Do you know for a fact that this is how Jeopardy! operates and if so, how do you come by that information?


 




I know that there has been video, or at least a photo, of what Alex sees when he\'s hosting the show. Whether or not that contains the answer to this specific question, I am not sure (it\'s been years since I\'ve seen it).

Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: chris319 on October 08, 2013, 05:55:21 PM

On our show I had a way of dealing with situations such as these.


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: parliboy on October 08, 2013, 08:58:48 PM
You buzzed them since \"Conestoga Wagon\" is two words?
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: rjaguar3 on October 08, 2013, 10:54:16 PM

I recall that the games provided in The Jeopardy! Book had similar instructions for accept also, do not accept, and be more specific (although I read it at a library and don\'t have a copy nearby to check).


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: TLEberle on October 08, 2013, 10:59:51 PM
That\'s what it was: a combination of The Jeopardy Book, The Jeopardy Challenge, unt Inside Jeopardy. Combining that with some reading comprehension and a dollop of common sense, I arrived at my position.
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: PYLdude on October 09, 2013, 12:37:47 AM


I recall that the games provided in The Jeopardy! Book had similar instructions for accept also, do not accept, and be more specific (although I read it at a library and don\'t have a copy nearby to check).




Believe it or not, the calendars have this too.


At least as far the \"accept/do not accept\" thing goes.
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: davidbod on October 13, 2013, 10:05:34 PM

We use the YES/MAYBE/NO system on Only Connect as well. For example, on the sequence question the other week where the required answer was the graph y = x, the script said:


 


ACCEPT: ‘Diagonal line’


PROMPT ON: ‘Straight line’


DON’T ACCEPT: ‘Horizontal line’, ‘Vertical line’


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: rjaguar3 on October 13, 2013, 10:26:22 PM

This thread reminds me of a possibly apocryphal story from my mother about a Jeopardy! clue about a Chicago mayor that I was wondering whether someone here could corroborate:


 


Contestant:  Who is Daley?


Trebek:  Which one?


Contestant:  Who is Richard Daley?


Trebek:  Okay.


 


EDIT:  Apparently corroborates to the May 6, 1999 game, which can be found on the J! Archive: http://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=2383&highlight=daley


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: Kevin Prather on October 14, 2013, 04:51:33 PM


This thread reminds me of a possibly apocryphal story from my mother about a Jeopardy! clue about a Chicago mayor that I was wondering whether someone here could corroborate:


 


Contestant:  Who is Daley?


Trebek:  Which one?


Contestant:  Who is Richard Daley?


Trebek:  Okay.


 


EDIT:  Apparently corroborates to the May 6, 1999 game, which can be found on the J! Archive: http://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=2383&highlight=daley




 


Preparing for a whoosh, but I don\'t get it.


 


EDIT: After looking it up, I see there are two Richard Daleys.


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: TLEberle on October 14, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
But are there any other political Daleys with a first name that isn\'t Richard?
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: clemon79 on October 14, 2013, 05:59:09 PM

At least two, just looking at the disambiguation page for \"Daley\" in Wikipedia.


Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: PYLdude on October 15, 2013, 12:48:41 AM


But are there any other political Daleys with a first name that isn\'t Richard?




Mayor Daley the Elder\'s two sons following Mayor Daley the Younger, former Illinois Senator John and former White House Chief of Staff/Commerce Secretary Bill, to start with.
Title: Jeopardy More Specific?
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 15, 2013, 12:29:06 PM

I\'m reminded of how game show history might have been different if Jeopardy had been total anal about their \"more specific\" rule.  People forget, but Ken Jennings was not dominant in his first appearance on the show.  He won only because he got a Final Jeopardy clue about female Olympic athletes by answering \"Who is Jones?\"  At the time, Alex said \"We will accept that.  In terms of female athletes, there aren\'t that many.\"  And of course at the time, no one knew what was about to happen.