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Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Bryce L. on October 02, 2013, 10:14:00 PM

http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/what-s-up-with--jeopardy----the-latest-snafu-involves-mispronunciation-of--elaine--from--seinfeld--181534305.html


 


Again with the media ragging on Jeopardy!... SMH.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 02, 2013, 10:19:46 PM
If we\'re allowing stupid initialisms to infect and pollute our discussion, and how appropriate it is, too:

FFS.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: PYLdude on October 02, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
Jeppurdy iz srrz bidness.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: 40onTheBlue on October 02, 2013, 11:09:30 PM

Yahoo! News is scurrilous, gutter journalism, IMHO. Best taken with a grain (or a shakerful) of salt.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: PYLdude on October 02, 2013, 11:36:43 PM


Yahoo! News is scurrilous, gutter journalism, IMHO. Best taken with a grain (or a shakerful) of salt.




Do you take ABC News with that same shakerful?
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 03, 2013, 01:13:05 AM

Do you take ABC News with that same shakerful?

I take all news with a shakerful. :)

Nice to see that Jeopardy\'s obstinate stance on pronunciation is getting them some negative attention.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: PYLdude on October 03, 2013, 01:21:30 AM


Nice to see that Jeopardy\'s obstinate stance on pronunciation is getting them some negative attention.




So the lady claiming racism was justified, then?
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 03, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
I have no idea who claimed racism because I didn\'t read it closely after I saw the gauntlet of tweets that stood in for actual content.

What I know is that a guy said \"who is Elaine?\" with a Hispanic accent that makes it sound faintly like \"Helaine,\" and he was penalized for it. What\'s sad is that this sort of thing doesn\'t happen nearly enough to the point where Jeopardy starts to think \"huh, maybe we can weasel our way out of this icky corner we painted ourselves into\" and let judges judge the response based on intent, let all contestants sign off on that and FFS, start to apply some sanity instead of hardline and labyrinthine rules that still have to be judged anyway.

Or maybe they actually like being thought of as America\'s Favorite Hardass Answer and Question Show. I\'m not Harry Friedman, but I know how I\'d approach this.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 03, 2013, 10:33:45 AM

At a QuizBusters taping Tuesday, we had a game go down to a quick tiebreaker toss-up.  I asked for the largest city in Kentucky and the kid buzzed in and answered \"Louisville\", but he said the \'s\'.  LEW-iss-vill.  I gave it to him without batting an eye, and nobody had a problem, including the other team.  The intent was there.  He did not mean Lexington.  (Earlier in the game, the same kid pronounced the \'s\' at the end of Les Miserables, and again, he did not mean Don Quixote.)  We tell our teams that we rely on a lot of that sort of judging, and that overall, we are more lenient than Jeopardy or NAQT, and again, nobody has a problem with that.  To me, that\'s the only rational way of running a quiz game.


 


/We\'re not using NAQT questions this year, so if I\'m lucky, I\'ll never have to see their pedantic footnote about Invisible Man/The Invisible Man ever again.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: pacdude on October 03, 2013, 03:01:28 PM


with a Hispanic Filipino accent




 


Fixed that for you.


 


/peeks dat por you.

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: BrandonFG on October 03, 2013, 03:04:03 PM

I\'m still waiting to see where the slam was from Yahoo. It called out the show for being too picky, but that\'s not a slam.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 03, 2013, 03:11:38 PM

Fixed that for you.
 
/peeks dat por you.

Golly, I missed it by that much. Humble apologies.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: parliboy on October 03, 2013, 03:28:17 PM


I\'m still waiting to see where the slam was from Yahoo. It called out the show for being too picky, but that\'s not a slam.




 


Headline from Yahoo: \"What\'s the Deal With \'Jeopardy!\'? Show Slammed Over \'Seinfeld\' Snafu\"


Brandon: \"Where\'s the slam on Yahoo?\"


Me: ¿Que?

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 03, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
To me it seems like Brandon is critical of the original poster\'s choice of headline, not of what Yahoo! News chooses to use as their own header.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: BrandonFG on October 03, 2013, 03:37:54 PM

Right. I think Yahoo is merely serving as the messenger...they\'re reporting the criticism from others. Just a little semantics issue, but I now see where the initial confusion may come from.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Ian Wallis on October 03, 2013, 04:11:07 PM

When I was reading this, I thought of 80s versions of Pyramid, and how strict they were at times.  There was at least one incident I recall where a contestant got the last box for the $10,000 jackpot a fraction of a second after the buzzer went.  IIRC, they went to commercial and came back and denied the contestant the money.  Dick explained that \"...it\'s not the money...\", but that they had to follow certain rules.  If they allowed that win to stand, then what about someone who\'s a half-second over, or 1 second...where does it end?  They had the rules in place to be fair to everybody and enforced it strictly.


 


I\'m not saying Jeopardy was right or wrong...although I probably would have allowed the answer to stand.  If they\'re following the \"hard-ass\" rules (as someone posted up-thread), they\'re calling it that way for everybody.


 


I guess a lot of it depends on the mood of the judges.  On the original Split Second, I recall they were picky at times...whereas on the \'80s remake, Monty was the judge and was more lenient.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: DrBear on October 03, 2013, 05:43:30 PM

I guess this means Sofia Vergara won\'t be invited to Celebrity Jeopardy!.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: jjman920 on October 03, 2013, 06:38:06 PM

Twitter. A useful resource for spreading news and information. Also, a cesspool for idiots to wager their grievances against non-existent problems. So powerful that the entertainment industry uses it to measure success, yet so reckless at the same time.


 


I understand intent and all, but this was clearly a case of Alex and the judges hearing something different than Elaine. He didn\'t say it clearly and as a result this happens. But since that\'s too much for people to process and just move on to the next episode, they go to their keyboard. And since a government shutdown isn\'t riveting news, news sites pick it up.


 


I\'ve seen this story on Huffington Post as well.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Unrealtor on October 03, 2013, 06:42:05 PM

I\'m several episodes behind on my Jeopardy-watching, so I\'m not at all familiar with the contestant\'s voice in any way other than that clip, but I\'ve heard them accept worse mispronunciations in the past, particularly from people with thick accents or speech impediments.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Jimmy Owen on October 04, 2013, 05:06:24 AM

With regard to the Louisville mispronunciation, it seems that a lot of smart people are \"book-smart.\"  They\'ve never heard the word but have read it, so they form their own idea on how it is pronounced.  One of the recent J! champs did that with famous names.


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: PYLdude on October 04, 2013, 05:14:30 AM
I remember something like that on the all Law & Order celeb episode- Carey Lowell had a little trouble pronouncing Bill Maher\'s last name (pronouncing it \"may-er\" instead of \"marr\") and got credit because they got where she was going.


Or maybe they relax the rules a bit for celebs. Kidding.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 04, 2013, 12:05:04 PM

Or maybe they relax the rules a bit for celebs. Kidding.

I don\'t think that\'s as far off-base as you do.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: GameShowFan on October 04, 2013, 08:20:04 PM


At a QuizBusters taping Tuesday, we had a game go down to a quick tiebreaker toss-up.  I asked for the largest city in Kentucky and the kid buzzed in and answered \"Louisville\", but he said the \'s\'.  LEW-iss-vill.  I gave it to him without batting an eye, and nobody had a problem, including the other team.  The intent was there.  He did not mean Lexington. 




 


Point of order 1: There is a Lewisville here in Texas, and apparently no city with that spelling in Kentucky.


Point of order 2: There is a famous sign showing the various pronunciations of Louisville, KY, none of which contain an \"S.\"


 


How much are we splitting hairs? How much is it accent, how much of it is lack of knowledge?


 


\'Brian

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Casey on October 05, 2013, 12:42:59 PM


At a QuizBusters taping Tuesday, we had a game go down to a quick tiebreaker toss-up.  I asked for the largest city in Kentucky and the kid buzzed in and answered \"Louisville\", but he said the \'s\'.  LEW-iss-vill.  I gave it to him without batting an eye, and nobody had a problem, including the other team.  




 


As an aside, Louisville, Colorado, is pronounced \"LEW-iss-vill\" - it took me several months to get used to that when I moved to Denver.  

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Jimmy Owen on October 05, 2013, 12:52:19 PM


 




At a QuizBusters taping Tuesday, we had a game go down to a quick tiebreaker toss-up.  I asked for the largest city in Kentucky and the kid buzzed in and answered \"Louisville\", but he said the \'s\'.  LEW-iss-vill.  I gave it to him without batting an eye, and nobody had a problem, including the other team.  




 


As an aside, Louisville, Colorado, is pronounced \"LEW-iss-vill\" - it took me several months to get used to that when I moved to Denver.  


 




Is that Col-O-Rodd-O or Col-O-Radd-O?

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: BrandonFG on October 05, 2013, 02:38:54 PM

Matt, if \"Norfolk, Virginia\" ever comes up in one of your questions, please do not stop tape if a student answers and the second syllable sounds vulgar. ;-)


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Kevin Prather on October 05, 2013, 04:03:45 PM

If Mr. Norfolk and Mr. Goode went into business together...


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: J.R. on October 05, 2013, 09:34:03 PM

Here in Iowa: We have towns like Madrid (\"MAD-drid\"), Nevada (\"Neh-VEY-dah\") and Cario (\"kay-ro\").


Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: PYLdude on October 05, 2013, 10:29:18 PM
This January, from the producers of Words Have Meanings...It\'s Pronounced How?
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Twentington on October 06, 2013, 02:02:53 AM


Here in Iowa: We have towns like Madrid (\"MAD-drid\"), Nevada (\"Neh-VEY-dah\") and Cario (\"kay-ro\").




 


And Michigan has Charlotte (SHAR-lott) and Milan (MY-lun), among others. I live a few minutes from a four-corners called Mikado, which is (MY-kay-doh).


 


And let\'s not forget that J!\'s sister show is just as much of a stickler on pronounciation most of the time.

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Jimmy Owen on October 06, 2013, 09:46:37 AM


 




Here in Iowa: We have towns like Madrid (\"MAD-drid\"), Nevada (\"Neh-VEY-dah\") and Cario (\"kay-ro\").




 


And Michigan has Charlotte (SHAR-lott) and Milan (MY-lun), among others. I live a few minutes from a four-corners called Mikado, which is (MY-kay-doh).


 


And let\'s not forget that J!\'s sister show is just as much of a stickler on pronounciation most of the time.


 




You\'re not too far from Mackinaw, I mean, Mackinac Island, IIRC.

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 06, 2013, 11:31:51 AM


And Michigan has Charlotte (SHAR-lott)


 





Wanna try again?

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 06, 2013, 12:34:13 PM
Some years ago a local bank ran a radio ad where someone was brought in to coach new out-of-state employees on how to say our peculiar-sounding town and river names; with the conceit that if you\'re from here you should be able to say Puyallup, Skagit and Snoqualmie, and if they didn\'t the employee would be branded as fake.

As to \'Brian\'s point: that\'s what a judge does; he judges what can be chalked up to accent and what can be filed under \"lack of knowledge.\"
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: SRIV94 on October 06, 2013, 06:15:37 PM


I guess this means Sofia Vergara won\'t be invited to Celebrity Jeopardy!.




She could just stand there and I\'d watch.

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Twentington on October 06, 2013, 07:38:11 PM


 




And Michigan has Charlotte (SHAR-lott)


 




Wanna try again?


 




 


You take this one, you\'re closer.


 


Meanwhile, I\'ll work on finding someone who can pronounce \"Oscoda\" correctly.

Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: TLEberle on October 06, 2013, 08:26:44 PM
That was a burn, y\'dink.
Title: Jeopardy! slammed by Yahoo News
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 06, 2013, 10:57:38 PM


 




 




And Michigan has Charlotte (SHAR-lott)


 




Wanna try again?


 




 


You take this one, you\'re closer.




 


Well, it seemed to be a big deal to you.


 


SHAR-lott is more or less how people would expect it to be said, which would make it a pretty lousy example if it wasn\'t completely wrong.  The mid-Michigan community\'s name is pronounced shar-LOTT.