Far overdue, in my opinion.
http://www.gameshowgarbage.com/ind152_thousanddollarbee.html
I was hoping we\'d stop giving this site any credibility after the debacle at the beginning of the year.
I stand with Chad.
Taking the high road as best as I can. I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism -- as long as there\'s plenty of fact to back up the criticism.
I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism
Except this concept isn\'t supposed to be about criticism; it\'s supposed to be about comedy. That you interpret it as the former throws into sharp relief how much he fails at the latter.
But any criticism doesn\'t fall back on fact, it falls back on opinion. I think NBC game shows are largely crap because reasons A, B and C which are all things I don\'t like. Why don\'t I like them? Because I\'d prefer something else. Why would I prefer something else? Because I think it would be better.Taking the high road as best as I can. I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism -- as long as there\'s plenty of fact to back up the criticism.
I certainly don\'t mind a website of criticism
Except this concept isn\'t supposed to be about criticism; it\'s supposed to be about comedy. That you interpret it as the former throws into sharp relief how much he fails at the latter.
I don\'t give a damn about his mental state and if he\'ll harm himself; I give a damn that he tried to pay someone to whip my ass.The problem is that there are a lot of people who are afraid to criticize Rob because they\'re concerned over his mental state and that he might harm himself. But sometimes you have to overlook that.
For the first time ever, I wished I had been the producer of that mess so I could tell Mr. Seidelman where to stick it. And I thought the show blew.
There\'s criticism, there\'s bashing, there\'s the MST3K treatment, then there\'s just going off the deep end and talking out your ass. Guess which category this dude falls into?
As someone who was part of the group that brought GSG about (not being snarky-trust me), I can testify to the fact that despite the bad comedic timing the site is largely about criticism. Has been since day one.
I give a damn that he tried to pay someone to whip my ass.
I don\'t give a damn about his mental state and if he\'ll harm himself; I give a damn that he tried to pay someone to whip my ass.
The problem is that there are a lot of people who are afraid to criticize Rob because they\'re concerned over his mental state and that he might harm himself. But sometimes you have to overlook that.
He\'s a terrible writer writing terrible stuff. The rest of the stuff is ancillary.
But – uh – back to SuperMatch93\'s point TDB\'s induction into GSG is long overdue. That\'s a point I 100% agree with.
Seidelman has been known to induct based on themes. TDB just concluded a series of kids\' game show inductions. He had a previous series of kid show inductions – and I\'m guesstimating that was about a year or so ago. Should\'ve inducted TDB then.
It is here I should disclose I provided a dose of analysis to his induction of “Shopper\'s Casino” – which, for my money, still remains the worst game show ever with TDB an extremely close second. The graphics package that the technology of 2004 provided, even if it turned out ugly on the air, and TDB\'s “attempt” to be an educational show get the admittedly unfair advantage in my book over SC.
Further, a link to GSG still exists on my website – even after a certain controversial induction we\'d rather not relive. I seriously considered removing the link after that induction. But that would be censorship.
I seriously considered removing the link after that induction. But that would be censorship.
But – uh – back to SuperMatch93\'s point TDB\'s induction into GSG is long overdue. That\'s a point I 100% agree with.
Except that by saying something like that, you and a handful of others are giving the website far more credence than it deserves in the first place. You guys are talking about this like it\'s a Grand Important Institution in our little fandom, and frankly, I\'ve barely heard of it.
The tag line for this particular entry, the thing that\'s supposed to grab you and make you want to read more, says \"The only bee that enforced stereotypes rather than being worth anything at the end.\" I\'m not even sure what that means. Apparently there\'s a whole history with this site and a bunch of you that I thankfully managed to avoid, but I just don\'t see why I\'m supposed to care about the written criticisms of a writer who writes that badly.
You aren\'t.but I just don\'t see why I\'m supposed to care about the written criticisms of a writer who writes that badly.
Yeah, I don\'t think people realize when they refer to these articles as \"inductions,\" it\'s coming off as incredibly self-important on the author\'s behalf, for lack of a better way to put it.
Tonight, I am inducting broccoli into my personal Awful Vegetable Hall of Fame. See? Nobody gives a crap. Nor should they, because anyone who gives a rip about what vegetables I do or do not like seriously needs to reexamine their priorities.
This. Guy. Does. Not. Matter. If you disagree with me and think he does, fine; I\'ll happily dismiss you as a tosser. But if you agree with me, I urge you not to bestow any more credibility on him than he deserves. Which, from the looks of his work, is next to none.
Tonight, I am inducting broccoli into my personal Awful Vegetable Hall of Fame.
You just lost your credibility. Broccoli is delicious.
At the end of the day, am I defending GSG? Overall, no. Am I trying to be fair? That\'s a bit more like it.
There are posts and inductions I disagree with. For example, I don\'t think \"Name That Video\" was all that bad. In fact, one of my then radio co-workers and I spoke of NTV fondly during its run on VH1. We often found ourselves quoting the bonus round catch phrase. \"Name ten of these and you get the keys.\"
On the other side of the coin, I think Seidelman\'s induction of \"It\'s Torture!\" hit a home run. Until the induction, I had never heard of \"It\'s Torture!\", never read its entry on UKGameShows.com and never saw video. Now that I\'m aware of \"It\'s Torture!\" and later read the entry and saw video, I wonder why ITV and TVS allowed the show to air.
Just like \"Secrets of the Cryptkeeper\'s Haunted House\" here in the states, it\'s a good thing \"Torture!\" didn\'t last beyond its first season (or series to use their terminology).
For the record, the only reason I linked to this is because I remember when TDB was a minor meme here, back when it was on Mike Klauss\'s old site. I do understand that GSG has had a tenuous relationship with just about every serious game show website in existence, and I remember reading the G-R \"induction\" the day it came out and thinking, \"Welp, all credibility that he had at one point or could\'ve had at some point is out the window.\"
Sometimes, after reading something of his, I like to watch an episode of AVGN (my favorite is the Dick Tracy one) to remind myself that criticism and comedy can co-exist... if written well.
At the end of the day, am I defending GSG? Overall, no. Am I trying to be fair? That\'s a bit more like it.
At the end of the day, you are lending it credibility that it does not deserve.
That, and not what side of the line you come down on, is what is making you look terribly foolish.
At the end of the day, you are lending it credibility that it does not deserve.
And at the end of the day, you shouldn\'t force people to have a popular opinion. Let them have their own opinion on GSG, no matter how unpopular it is here.
Who here is doing that?And at the end of the day, you shouldn\'t force people to have a popular opinion.
And at the end of the day, you shouldn\'t force people to have a popular opinion.
Who here is doing that?
Yes, I\'m keen to know the answer to this myself.
Sometimes, after reading something of his, I like to watch an episode of AVGN (my favorite is the Dick Tracy one) to remind myself that criticism and comedy can co-exist... if written well.
Amen and amen.
If anyone from GSG is reading this thread, may you strive to swing for the fences instead of aiming to hit below the belt.
At the end of the day, you are lending it credibility that it does not deserve.
And at the end of the day, you shouldn\'t force people to have a popular opinion. Let them have their own opinion on GSG, no matter how unpopular it is here.
Grownups are speaking.
How big a fanbase could it be?
unnecessarily childish.
The hell?
Here\'s the thing; what Rob\'s doing isn\'t criticism or commentary; it is the equivalent of picking on the fat kid with braces and the uncool clothes. It is literally a case of \"I don\'t like this thing and I\'m going to make fun of it because I can,\" done by someone who wears a TTD90 dragon shirt and who has absolutely no screen presence or charisma in his point-and-shoot videos where he opines about a thing from the confines of his bedroom.
If people go in for that sort of thing it displays a similar lack of character on their part.
unnecessarily childish.
The hell?
You didn\'t have to go there, did you? You did anyway, didn\'t you?
Like I said, you don\'t need to be over the top ALL the time.
I genuinely don\'t know what in the blue hell you are going on about.
You\'d do well to take some of your own advice.
It wasn\'t over the top. It\'s just like when JVBT would say that whoever was the fifth biggest numbskull in the history of Deal or No Deal because she didn\'t play the game in the fashion he thought she should. I\'m not going to take that as gospel, I\'m going to dismiss it as foolishness.You didn\'t have to go there, did you? You did anyway, didn\'t you?
Like I said, you don\'t need to be over the top ALL the time.
No. You can criticize something for being lousy without being ham-handed or an Adam Henry about it. Roger Ebert did it enough times that he has at least two books in the Your Movie Sucks pantheon. Roger Ebert also has reviewed some masterful pieces of cinema, and treated them with the reverence deserved.I gotta say at this point I don\'t think the argument is about GSG anymore.
Because the description you put out there can be applied to EVERY critic\'s site. Wouldn\'t you agree that\'s what being critical/poking fun at is about, making fun of it because you can? Regardless of how misguided the person behind it may or may not be?
