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Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Mr. Matté on June 18, 2012, 01:07:12 PM
On today's $25K rerun, one of the items in the front game being described was "salami." The giver said "not pastrami but..." and having not getting it, she passed it. Later on, the word "pastrami" came up and she was describing it as "the other word I was just saying." Could she have used "not salami..." to describe pastrami and the if the receiver has a clue, would they get credit if the receiver realized that salami was the other word and said it?

The only precedent I know of someone getting credit/cuckooed on a different subject is this debacle with Janis Paige (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b5-bwjbhgH0#t=472s), but that's kind of a stretch since any of the categories could've been used at that point.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2012, 01:46:56 PM
Could she have used "not salami..." to describe pastrami and the if the receiver has a clue, would they get credit if the receiver realized that salami was the other word and said it?
I fail to see why not. You are allowed to say anything aside from what is on the screen at that current time. (Outside, of course, of something weenie like "that other one was "salami." Say it so we get credit for the backward answer.")

(I also fail to see how that list of items made air for exactly that reason.)
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Mr. Matté on June 18, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
(I also fail to see how that list of items made air for exactly that reason.)

The category was kinds of meat dishes.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
The category was kinds of meat dishes.
And they couldn't come up with one more to replace one of the two really similar lunchmeats? Trust me when I tell you there are more than seven discrete common ones.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: gameshowcrazy on June 18, 2012, 04:07:28 PM
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And they couldn't come up with one more to replace one of the two really similar lunchmeats? Trust me when I tell you there are more than seven discrete common ones.
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maybe because salami and pastrami are nothing close to each other.  Pastrami is smoked corned beef.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2012, 04:29:05 PM
maybe because salami and pastrami are nothing close to each other.  Pastrami is smoked corned beef.
That's more than a bit oversimplified (for one, wet-curing vs. dry and not boiling the living shiat out of it produces a product with a significantly different texture, as made evident by the fact that I love pastrami and abhor corned beef), but yes, thank you, I'm well aware of that.

The point is that "they're two meats commonly found on sandwiches and therefore would probably be clued in a similar fashion" is plenty close enough that it should have raised a red flag in review, especially for a category with no shortage of easy replacements.

/dammit, now I want pastrami
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Kevin Prather on June 18, 2012, 04:35:33 PM
/dammit, now I want pastrami
Goes good with gazpacho, I bet.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 18, 2012, 04:49:55 PM
Goes good with gazpacho, I bet.
Requires no adornments. Rye bread. Mustard. Ship it. At MOST a pickle in there somewhere.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: MikeK on June 18, 2012, 04:59:13 PM
Goes good with gazpacho, I bet.
Requires no adornments. Rye bread. Mustard. Ship it. At MOST a pickle in there somewhere.
And don't forget hot or warm, at the very least.  Though cold pastrami ain't half-bad either.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: PYLdude on June 18, 2012, 05:09:46 PM
Hot pastrami, cold soup. Perfect combo. :)
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Kevin Prather on June 18, 2012, 05:15:18 PM
Goes good with gazpacho, I bet.
Requires no adornments. Rye bread. Mustard. Ship it. At MOST a pickle in there somewhere.
Oh, hear hear. It's my favorite deli meat.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Fedya on June 18, 2012, 09:31:00 PM
Am I the only one who likes liverwurst?
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: knagl on June 19, 2012, 06:25:18 AM
The category was kinds of meat dishes.
And they couldn't come up with one more to replace one of the two really similar lunchmeats? Trust me when I tell you there are more than seven discrete common ones.

Anyone remember, "Know Your Cuts of Meat" from the Late Show with David Letterman?

YouTube video: Know Your Cuts of Meat circa 2005 (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638QtpF0dlw&t=4m12s")
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 19, 2012, 01:36:02 PM
Anyone remember, "Know Your Cuts of Meat" from the Late Show with David Letterman?
I was particularly strong in the "Variety Meats" category.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: gameshowcrazy on June 19, 2012, 04:13:59 PM
Am I the only one who likes liverwurst?
someone has to
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: gameshowcrazy on June 19, 2012, 04:22:25 PM
Goes good with gazpacho, I bet.
Requires no adornments. Rye bread. Mustard. Ship it. At MOST a pickle in there somewhere.

gotta have provolone in there
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Jay Temple on June 19, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
Today one of the items in the main game was "wharf". 1986 was a year too soon, but I briefly of Lt. Worf from ST:TNG, which brings to mind some potentially difficult decisions for the judge. I know they've cuckoo'd people for saying "whether" in describing "weather," but the one time I can remember it, the person clearly pronounced it as "we-th'r". I can't recall an instance where someone went for a different word that began with "hw" instead of "w" or vice versa. Does anyone recall seeing a case like that?
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: TLEberle on June 19, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
the person clearly pronounced it as "we-th'r".
There's two pronunciations for that?
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Kevin Prather on June 19, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Pyramid deals in sounds. If you say "It's that great big thing in the street" when describing a "grate", you get the bird. Same here. That's not to say you couldn't describe Lt. Worf instead of describing a wharf.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 19, 2012, 06:06:41 PM
Pyramid deals in sounds. If you say "It's that great big thing in the street" when describing a "grate", you get the bird. Same here. That's not to say you couldn't describe Lt. Worf instead of describing a wharf.
If you are a receiver those clever tricks don't help because the word you're describing doesn't fit the category.  "Fisherman's"...."Wharf" fits, "The guy on Star Trek" does not.  I think this has been discussed here before, but those tricks are detrimental when taken in context of the overall category.  Hairy/harry, ant/aunt, right/write, may sound the same, but they are not the same word.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 19, 2012, 07:38:25 PM
There's two pronunciations for that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8cy-Axp4mQ&hd=1
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: TLEberle on June 19, 2012, 07:49:17 PM
I don't think I've ever been told quite so succinctly and quite so hilariously.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: JasonA1 on June 19, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
If you are a receiver those clever tricks don't help because the word you're describing doesn't fit the category.  "Fisherman's"...."Wharf" fits, "The guy on Star Trek" does not.  I think this has been discussed here before, but those tricks are detrimental when taken in context of the overall category.
There are several examples of somebody getting stuck and recovering by using that very strategy.

-Jason
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Kevin Prather on June 19, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
If you are a receiver those clever tricks don't help because the word you're describing doesn't fit the category.  "Fisherman's"...."Wharf" fits, "The guy on Star Trek" does not.  I think this has been discussed here before, but those tricks are detrimental when taken in context of the overall category.  Hairy/harry, ant/aunt, right/write, may sound the same, but they are not the same word.
Uh...no.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 19, 2012, 08:20:49 PM
If you are a receiver those clever tricks don't help because the word you're describing doesn't fit the category.  "Fisherman's"...."Wharf" fits, "The guy on Star Trek" does not.  I think this has been discussed here before, but those tricks are detrimental when taken in context of the overall category.  Hairy/harry, ant/aunt, right/write, may sound the same, but they are not the same word.
Uh...no.
Don't ewe mean "Uh...know" :)
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: chad1m on June 19, 2012, 08:26:30 PM
There are several examples of somebody getting stuck and recovering by using that very strategy.
I was getting ready to start a response like this, but then I considered the source and decided not to waste the finger energy.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Jimmy Owen on June 20, 2012, 02:41:28 AM
There are several examples of somebody getting stuck and recovering by using that very strategy.
I was getting ready to start a response like this, but then I considered the source and decided not to waste the finger energy.
Chad, be nice.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: chad1m on June 20, 2012, 02:58:56 AM
Chad, be nice.
I would, Jimmy. I try to like you and what you might be able to bring to the table. But your constructive posts are far outweighed by your attempts at outlandish topics or eventual discussion derailers, so I never know if you're tro-lo-lollin' or actually trying to add something.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: Otm Shank on June 21, 2012, 01:33:06 AM
There was one instant of TORTE, with TART given as a response and it was not accepted. Dick even looked back at the producer's table to say to burn it from future use because it was so close. The game was a runaway, and to ease the pangs of guilt (and to head off a protest), the other team played for a 2-point win.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: clemon79 on June 21, 2012, 01:36:12 AM
There was one instant of TORTE, with TART given as a response and it was not accepted.
Correctly. The pronunciations aren't even close and the etymologies aren't even in the same neighborhood. Honestly I can't believe there was even a question.
Title: Another "Pyramid" judging question
Post by: TLEberle on June 21, 2012, 01:49:48 AM
There was one instant of TORTE, with TART given as a response and it was not accepted.
One of those is pronounced in the same way as a civil wrong, the other isn't.

Contestant defeated.