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Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: JepMasta on December 04, 2011, 03:36:44 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering if you could confirm or deny a news story I remember hearing as a youngster.  Back in the mid 90s I would listen to the "John Boy & Billy" radio show as I got ready for School each morning.  Well at each half-hour the radio station would do a quick news roundup.  Well, the weird thing is, I seem to remember that the anchor mentioned (I want to say in 1997, but then again, IDK) that IIRC "The classic 50s game show '21' is going to be revived this fall.   According to reports it will be hosted by Wink Martindale."  For the life of me, I can't seem to find any info about it on the intertubes.  Now I should mention, this was probably something I dreamed up due to lack of sleep, but any info would be highly appreciated.

Cheers

Brian~
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Robert Carter on December 05, 2011, 12:04:58 AM
It ended up being Jim Lange, and there's video somewhere on YouTube. The pilot did not sell, of course.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: clemon79 on December 05, 2011, 01:01:06 AM
It ended up being Jim Lange, and there's video somewhere on YouTube. The pilot did not sell, of course.
Also, that one was 1982, nowhere remotely near the 1990s.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: chris319 on December 05, 2011, 03:26:09 AM
It ended up being Jim Lange, and there's video somewhere on YouTube. The pilot did not sell, of course.
And deservedly so. Jim Lange, however, did a masterful job as emcee given all the language he had to rattle off and the less-than-straightforward format.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: PYLdude on December 05, 2011, 03:59:55 AM
It ended up being Jim Lange, and there's video somewhere on YouTube. The pilot did not sell, of course.
And deservedly so. Jim Lange, however, did a masterful job as emcee given all the language he had to rattle off and the less-than-straightforward format.

"Less than straightforward"? I wonder what brings you to that conclusion- basically, it's five rounds and if you don't get to 21 within those five rounds or stop the game beforehand, we keep playing until you do. Seems pretty straightforward to me, unless I'm missing something (which, as we've seen with me over the years, is a possibility).

Of course, that's not to say Jim Lange's 21 deserved to get a pickup, because there were quite a few things wrong with it (the superfluous question system- a Lazy Susan? Really?- and the oh so B&E tacked on bonus round that had nothing to do with the basic game at all (questions to get to 21 vs. random blind-assed luck to get there).

/"oh so B&E"- I will make that a catchphrase one of these days.
/I will dammit! ;)
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: clemon79 on December 05, 2011, 11:23:33 AM
"Less than straightforward"? I wonder what brings you to that conclusion-
The per-point payout rules.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: BrandonFG on December 05, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
For some reason, I do recall seeing a proposed "21" revival sometime in the late-1990s, but don't remember there being a host considered. Perhaps right around the time a new "Sale of the Century" was being mulled with Robin Leach (and no Instant Bargains). FWIW, I believe it was well before "Millionaire" or the Povich version premiered.

My memory is very hazy, but I really wanna say I remember seeing the idea come up.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Jamey Greek on December 05, 2011, 05:31:51 PM
I think Wink was considered for 21 (2000) I remember Tammy Warner mentioning it to her on her tribute page to Wink.  Also, Wink was hosting Trivial Pursuit at the time when that supposed mid-90s revival had happened and he was trying to get the show sold in syndication.  So there's no way it could have been him.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Sodboy13 on December 05, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
a new "Sale of the Century" was being mulled with Robin Leach (and no Instant Bargains).
Sometimes, I'm so glad things don't happen.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: J.R. on December 06, 2011, 12:07:27 AM
I think Wink was considered for 21 (2000) I remember Tammy Warner mentioning it to her on her tribute page to Wink.
If Tammy Warner said it, it must be true.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Sodboy13 on December 06, 2011, 12:50:16 AM
I think Wink was considered for 21 (2000) I remember Tammy Warner mentioning it to her on her tribute page to Wink.
If Tammy Warner said it, it must be true.
"Hey, Dickie Dunn wrote this!"
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: PYLdude on December 06, 2011, 03:46:56 AM
I think Wink was considered for 21 (2000) I remember Tammy Warner mentioning it to her on her tribute page to Wink.  Also, Wink was hosting Trivial Pursuit at the time when that supposed mid-90s revival had happened and he was trying to get the show sold in syndication.  So there's no way it could have been him.

Considering Wink stopped hosting Trivial Pursuit in 1995, not 1997, I don't see how that would've been a problem.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: MikeK on December 06, 2011, 03:01:16 PM
Considering Wink stopped hosting Trivial Pursuit in 1995, not 1997, I don't see how that would've been a problem.
1993.  There was only one series of Trivial Pursuit episodes.  Reruns ran from late '93/early '94 to 1995.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: The Pyramids on December 06, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
I think Wink was considered for 21 (2000) I remember Tammy Warner mentioning it to her on her tribute page to Wink.  


When Steve Beverly put Povich on his 'worst emcee's' list I believe he too claimed that Wink was considered for the NBC revival as well.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: ChrisLambert! on December 06, 2011, 07:08:25 PM
When Steve Beverly put Povich on his 'worst emcee's' list I believe he too claimed that Wink was considered for the NBC revival as well.

He did? I must've forgotten that after all these years. I thought Maury did a fine-to-pretty good job on that show.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Jamey Greek on December 06, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
I think Wink was considered for 21 (2000) I remember Tammy Warner mentioning it to her on her tribute page to Wink.  


When Steve Beverly put Povich on his 'worst emcee's' list I believe he too claimed that Wink was considered for the NBC revival as well.

He actually said the show would have been better off with Wink Martindale, or Dick Enberg, or Bob Costas.  Bob Costas was actually offered the job but turned it down.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: TLEberle on December 06, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
and the oh so B&E tacked on bonus round that had nothing to do with the basic game at all (questions to get to 21 vs. random blind-assed luck to get there).
My guess is that the B&E endgame was more a branding deal than anything else. All the other middling-to-long-running B&E games had the contestant trying to Dodge the Resident Mascot Villain. In this case it just happened to be HAL.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: J.R. on December 06, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
All the other middling-to-long-running B&E games had the contestant trying to Dodge the Resident Mascot Villain.
Would you like me to bring back "Outwit the Badger"? :-)
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: TLEberle on December 06, 2011, 11:11:49 PM
Would you like me to bring back "Outwit the Badger"? :-)
Would you, please. I was always partial to that.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: clemon79 on December 06, 2011, 11:17:16 PM
Would you like me to bring back "Outwit the Badger"? :-)
What someone who invites people to play "Outwit the Badger" might look like (http://"http://bit.ly/rzmkZL")
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: J.R. on December 06, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
What someone who invites people to play "Outwit the Badger" might look like (http://"http://bit.ly/rzmkZL")
Well played, I shall puff a cigarette with a scowl on my face in your honor.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: PYLdude on December 06, 2011, 11:45:16 PM
Considering Wink stopped hosting Trivial Pursuit in 1995, not 1997, I don't see how that would've been a problem.
1993.  There was only one series of Trivial Pursuit episodes.  Reruns ran from late '93/early '94 to 1995.

Either way. (Besides the point, even if that was the case...Debt, anyone?)
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: BrandonFG on December 06, 2011, 11:45:39 PM
If you want to save the budget, make it a honey badger. That way the contestants would never win.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Matt Ottinger on December 07, 2011, 10:50:54 AM
If you want to save the budget, make it a honey badger. That way the contestants would never win.
But they also wouldn't care.
Title: 90s "21" Pilot
Post by: Jamey Greek on December 07, 2011, 08:14:40 PM
Matt, do you know anything about this supposed Mid-90s revival with Wink as host?