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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: toetyper on November 22, 2011, 08:33:48 PM
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are the catergories 'THINGS YOU PROTECT' and 'THINGS THAT ARE PROTECTED' different. "A bodyguard's client' would be allowed for the 2nd, but what about the first
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They are interchangeable, and the clue would work for either.
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While I agree that the same clues would be legal, and either would be an acceptable response for the other, the curious part is that I'd come up with slightly different clues depending on the wording.
THINGS YOU PROTECT: a 2-run lead, the President
THINGS THAT ARE PROTECTED: a minority class, an uncopiable TV show
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an uncopiable TV show
Pretty sure you just got buzzed here.
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an uncopiable TV show
Pretty sure you just got buzzed here.
Oxford says otherwise, amazingly. (http://"http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/uncopiable")
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Oxford says otherwise, amazingly. (http://"http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/uncopiable")
Last I looked, Oxford wasn't the judge.
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Oxford says otherwise, amazingly. (http://"http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/uncopiable")
Last I looked, Oxford wasn't the judge.
Then what are you buzzing for?
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Then what are you buzzing for?
Because I think it's an illegal clue, silly, why else would I buzz it?
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Then what are you buzzing for?
Because I think it's an illegal clue, silly, why else would I buzz it?
If that's the reason that's pretty weak, Chris. Especially considering, in the spirit of the game, it isn't.
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I'm with Chris on this one. Adding the adjective "uncopiable" to "A TV show" would make the clue illegal.
In other words ... Just saying "A TV show" would be fine. Adding the descriptive word would get you buzzed. And I don't mean that in a good way.
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I'm with Chris on this one. Adding the adjective "uncopiable" to "A TV show" would make the clue illegal.
In other words ... Just saying "A TV show" would be fine. Adding the descriptive word would get you buzzed. And I don't mean that in a good way.
And I still say you're both wrong. It's not synonymous, it's not overly descriptive...I don't see what the big deal is.
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Merriam-Webster doesn't recognize the word, which leads me to think you'd get buzzed off that alone, since that's the dictionary more often used in the States. Why not just say "a copyrighted product" instead? It doesn't give away the essence, and might even push the contestant into thinking of copyright protection.
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"Uncopyable" would not be buzzed for being synonymous, although I think it would be a puzzling clue for the contestant.
The category syntax was driven by a few factors: first, and foremost, if the category was already used in a previous Winner's Circle, they recycled the old card. Other factors would be the syntax of the adjacent boxes (avoiding a series of "things that," "things that," "things that") and the space constraint of the box.
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Merriam-Webster doesn't recognize the word, which leads me to think you'd get buzzed off that alone, since that's the dictionary more often used in the States. Why not just say "a copyrighted product" instead? It doesn't give away the essence, and might even push the contestant into thinking of copyright protection.
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
Of course you get buzzed. That shouldn't be a question.
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
Of course you get buzzed. That shouldn't be a question.
THINGS ON A THANKSGIVING TABLE
Turducken.
(BUZZ)
Really? If the turducken was the craze taking over the nation during Thanksgiving '86, the producers would have buzzed the word?
Seriously- I'm only asking because it feels like there are more made-up words now than there were 25 years ago- the dictionary rule may have passed as canon 25 years ago, but I would assume that generally accepted non dictionary terms would be acceptable along with the standard dictionary in a 2011 version of Pyramid.
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
Of course you get buzzed. That shouldn't be a question.
THINGS ON A THANKSGIVING TABLE
Turducken.
(BUZZ)
Really? If the turducken was the craze taking over the nation during Thanksgiving '86, the producers would have buzzed the word?
Seriously- I'm only asking because it feels like there are more made-up words now than there were 25 years ago- the dictionary rule may have passed as canon 25 years ago, but I would assume that generally accepted non dictionary terms would be acceptable along with the standard dictionary in a 2011 version of Pyramid.
You assume a lot of things.
Considering not many, if any, knew what a turducken was (considering it hadn't really existed until around 1986), I don't think you'd use it as a clue anyway.
And I'm willing to bet you could find "turducken" in a dictionary, so your argument's rendered even more senseless and invalid.
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Bearing in mind that, as Chris C. would remind us, we're all only guessing at what (if any) guidelines the judge was following, I'm pretty sure the general rule of thumb was "did you just coin a word nobody really uses to try to get around the challenge of giving a good clue?"
So it then becomes the judge's call as to whether you just "made up a word". "Uncopyable" would strike me as acceptable, while something like "unguilty" wouldn't. But they sadly have never asked me to judge Pyramid.
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And I'm willing to bet you could find "turducken" in a dictionary, so your argument's rendered even more senseless and invalid.
Not there. (http://"http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turducken")
I should have said it differently- what I was trying to say is that if turducken was a widely used term back during Pyramid's run, but not a dictionary term, would it be acceptable or not?
I'm pretty sure the general rule of thumb was "did you just coin a word nobody really uses to try to get around the challenge of giving a good clue?"
I'd hope that this would be the case.
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
Coined words were judged illegal on Password, but not on Pyramid. In the case above, no derivative of "copy" is synonymous with "protect." If I were judging, I might not accept "uncopyable" in a description for "Things that are original," because the clue giver has made two antonyms synonymous with the addition of "un-", even though it is not truly a word. That, however, I concede would be a borderline call.
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And I'm willing to bet you could find "turducken" in a dictionary, so your argument's rendered even more senseless and invalid.
Not there. (http://"http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turducken")
Not only does the New Oxford American Dictionary have the term "turducken" in it, but the origin is the 1980s. (http://"http://cl.ly/190b3U3M2l2x1g19413z")
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THINGS ON A THANKSGIVING TABLE
Turducken.
(BUZZ)
Really? If the turducken was the craze taking over the nation during Thanksgiving '86, the producers would have buzzed the word?
I seem to remember a time when LeVar Burton gave the clue "smoothie" and Dick Clark was puzzled by what that was. Similarly, I am sure that was not in the judge's dictionary. If I remember correctly, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary was mentioned as the official source, and that is not updated annually for new vernacular. Again, words from the contestant were not judged for their presence in the dictionary, but only if the clues were synonymous with the subject.
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
Of course you get buzzed. That shouldn't be a question.
THINGS ON A THANKSGIVING TABLE
Turducken.
(BUZZ)
Really? If the turducken was the craze taking over the nation during Thanksgiving '86, the producers would have buzzed the word?
Seriously- I'm only asking because it feels like there are more made-up words now than there were 25 years ago- the dictionary rule may have passed as canon 25 years ago, but I would assume that generally accepted non dictionary terms would be acceptable along with the standard dictionary in a 2011 version of Pyramid.
You assume a lot of things.
Considering not many, if any, knew what a turducken was (considering it hadn't really existed until around 1986), I don't think you'd use it as a clue anyway.
And I'm willing to bet you could find "turducken" in a dictionary, so your argument's rendered even more senseless and invalid.
Actually his argument is valid, regardless of the year in which the game is being played. I suggest you reconsider your position as you haven't addressed this poster's point, nor have you accurately addresed the original poster's question. Show me something that proves the clue giver is restricted to dictionary certified words only, and tell me if the same applies to the following instances in Proper Nouns and Slang.
Category: Film Directors
Clue: Francis Ford Coppola
Category: Kinds of Puzzles
Clue: The Rubik's Cube
Category: Fast Food
Clue: Zas
More words get added to the dictionary with each new edition, but if a parcitular word is not listed in the dictionary, it doesn't mean the word does not exist or be used in the vernacular. 'Za' was not a legal scrabble play until two years ago, but pizza makers have been using it for much longer. So please, bestow upon us your great wisdom on this matter, I promise I won't refer to your response as either 'invalid' or 'senseless'.
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Actually his argument is valid, regardless of the year in which the game is being played. I suggest you reconsider your position as you haven't addressed this poster's point, nor have you accurately addresed the original poster's question.
I did address the point and the question. I'm sorry if it didn't pass your "standards".
Show me something that proves the clue giver is restricted to dictionary certified words only
...which I did not say...
and tell me if the same applies to the following instances in Proper Nouns and Slang.
Category: Film Directors
Clue: Francis Ford Coppola
Category: Kinds of Puzzles
Clue: The Rubik's Cube
Category: Fast Food
Clue: Zas
Category: Old Sayings
Clue: Apples and Oranges
More words get added to the dictionary with each new edition, but if a parcitular word is not listed in the dictionary, it doesn't mean the word does not exist or be used in the vernacular.
Okay...and your point is what, exactly?
'Za' was not a legal scrabble play until two years ago, but pizza makers have been using it for much longer. So please, bestow upon us your great wisdom on this matter, I promise I won't refer to your response as either 'invalid' or 'senseless'.
Rappers have been using "dag", "bling", and various derivatives of a certain racial slur for much longer. What's your point, again?
Hint: here's where you retract what you said, say "I'm sorry", and move on.
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So, Palmer, if your statement of "of course you get buzzed" if you use a word that is not in the dictionary is not a point derivative of "the clue giver is restricted to dictionary certified only," then what exactly is your point? I fail to see one underneath the babble and snark.
And because I've still got the bible, this is what Million Dollar Password says in the case of "non-real" words. I think it's logical:
Word Acceptability
2. Commonly known words that do not appear in either of the dictionaries of record are acceptable if they are not illegal for any other reason. For example, a commonly known word such as “bootylicious” is acceptable. Other examples include, but are not limited to, titles of books, movies, etc. However, players may not create a nonexistent word (for example, "smelephone" to clue "telephone").
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So, Palmer, if your statement of "of course you get buzzed" if you use a word that is not in the dictionary is not a point derivitive of "the clue giver is restricted to dictionary certified only," then what exactly is your point? I fail to see one underneath the babble and snark.
If you could've been bothered to read my point- no surprise you weren't- AGAIN, I did not say every non dictionary word gets buzzed. And why? Because there are certain exceptions to the rule. HOWEVER, those exceptions are limited and in most cases, the obvious answer is that you get buzzed.
Are we done now?
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So, Palmer, if your statement of "of course you get buzzed" if you use a word that is not in the dictionary is not a point derivitive of "the clue giver is restricted to dictionary certified only," then what exactly is your point? I fail to see one underneath the babble and snark.
If you could've been bothered to read my point- no surprise you weren't- AGAIN, I did not say every non dictionary word gets buzzed. And why? Because there are certain exceptions to the rule. HOWEVER, those exceptions are limited and in most cases, the obvious answer is that you get buzzed.
Are we done now?
Can someone tell me how this applies to Pyramid? Did I miss a post where we switched programs? I know Chad jumped in with some perspective from when he was on Password regarding non-dictionary clues, but Pyramid only buzzed on synonyms in the Winner's Circle (as far as when the dictionary became involved).
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If you could've been bothered to read my point- no surprise you weren't- AGAIN,
Yeah, I can't imagine why he wouldn't, either.
Are we done now?
Christ, I wish.
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Are we done now?
Christ, I wish.
In Lemon Veritas. aka ILV
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Actually his argument is valid, regardless of the year in which the game is being played. I suggest you reconsider your position as you haven't addressed this poster's point, nor have you accurately addresed the original poster's question.
I did address the point and the question. I'm sorry if it didn't pass your "standards".
Actually, you never did say whether or not Turducken was a legal play, which, was in fact, my question.
Show me something that proves the clue giver is restricted to dictionary certified words only
...which I did not say...
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question-- in the winners circle. If your clue has a word that isnt in the dictionary. but doesnt give the essenCe of the Catergory., do you get buzzed
Of course you get buzzed. That shouldn't be a question.
Your answer basically says that the clue giver is restricted to the dictionary. So yeah, you did say that.
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*sigh*
I said you could find turducken in a dictionary. Ergo I answered your question. As far as the second part, did I at any point say "the clue giver is only limited to the dictionary?"
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As far as the second part, did I at any point say "the clue giver is only limited to the dictionary?"
If you are claiming you did not, we invite you to explain what you meant by this (http://"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22540&view=findpost&p=273052"), then.
Which is what Jeremy just said.
If you, um, bothered to read his point.
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Alright. I'm ending my involvement in this thread because no matter how I try to explain how you might've missed my point, I'm automatically wrong. It's not worth the aggravation.
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Alright. I'm ending my involvement in this thread because no matter how I try to explain how you might've missed my point, I'm automatically wrong. It's not worth the aggravation.
Another possibility is that you're simply wrong, and you're the one who doesn't see it.
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Alright. I'm ending my involvement in this thread because no matter how I try to explain how you might've missed my point, I'm automatically wrong. It's not worth the aggravation.
Another possibility is that you're simply wrong, and you're the one who doesn't see it.
Thank you. (http://"http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/mrjoenobody/Forum%20Pics/Animated/orson-wells-clapping.gif")
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I would think uncopyable would be buzzed. On the flip side, would standards and practices (do they still exist?) have censored "an erect body part"?
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On the flip side, would standards and practices (do they still exist?) have censored "an erect body part"?
I remember "an erection" being used uncensored for "Things That Are Stiff" in the 80s, so probably not.
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Are Standards and Practices the ones who censor language? And even if a clue gets censored, it can still be valid, correct?
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And even if a clue gets censored, it can still be valid, correct?
We were told on Password that we could use a potentially-censored clue if we had to, they would just bleep it later.
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Are Standards and Practices the ones who censor language? And even if a clue gets censored, it can still be valid, correct?
Absolutely. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL3xdoPYYLY")