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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Johnissoevil on August 04, 2011, 03:10:56 AM
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One thing I've wondered recently while watching some Feud '94 episodes, have there been many occasions when the original host of a show would leave due to circumstances such as quitting/being let go or cancellation, then having someone replace them as full time host, only for the old host to return to their old job eventually? The only three I can think of off the top of my head is Richard Dawson returning to Feud after Ray Combs had hosted it for a lengthy run, Bob Eubanks returning to the Newlywed Game after having handed the show off to Paul Rodriguez and later a revival with Gary Kroger, and Monty Hall re-assuming hosting duties on Let's Make a Deal in 1990 only months after Bob Hilton had been named host (albeit Monty was supposed to step down again once a replacement was to be found, which ultimately didn't come to pass due to cancellation). Has this happened on any other occasion?
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Remember when Sajak left WOF to do his talk show? Apparently, he was welcomed back with open arms when the talker went boobs-up.
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Remember when Sajak left WOF to do his talk show? Apparently, he was welcomed back with open arms when the talker went boobs-up.
That's an odd circumstance, though, since he never stopped doing the syndicated version. I'd count it, but with an asterisk. :)
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Remember when Sajak left WOF to do his talk show? Apparently, he was welcomed back with open arms when the talker went boobs-up.
That's an odd circumstance, though, since he never stopped doing the syndicated version. I'd count it, but with an asterisk. :)
I'm not even sure I'd do that. Pat never came back to the daytime show, and he never left the nighttime show.
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I would have to asterisk Monty Hall as well. Remember that it was his production company. If he wanted to host from the beginning, he would have hosted from the beginning. OTOH, Bob Clayton's replacement and subsequent "de-replacement" are documented in Norm Blumenthal's book.
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Wanna count Reege hosting Super Millionaire or the 10th anniversary special? Or guest hosting that one week of Syndie Millionaire?
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Actually, Ron Greenberg and Dick Clark were behind LMAD '90 and Monty was only advising them IIRC- I don't think you can really asterisk that.
Now where Regis is concerned, the Super and Tenth Anniversary editions of Millionaire I see as revivals of the original network series, so to me neither one would count. You could technically place the asterisk on him for hosting the current syndicated series even though it's really a separate series.
(Before anybody says anything- I understand in cases like Millionaire and Deal or no Deal you can say it's the same game- which it is. It's how the games are conducted as to why I would consider them to be separate from each other- no fastest finger, no models on cases plus wheel used for contestant selection, etc.)
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Geoff Edwards did the NBC run of Jackpot! When it became a USA cable show, Mike Darrow was the host for its run. When the show went syndicated, Geoff returned as host.
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How about Richard Dawson coming back to Family Feud in '94 after a 9 year absence?
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How about Richard Dawson coming back to Family Feud in '94 after a 9 year absence?
That's the initial example that sparked this whole thread. :-)
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Geoff Edwards did the NBC run of Jackpot! When it became a USA cable show, Mike Darrow was the host for its run. When the show went syndicated, Geoff returned as host.
And the change was not for the better at all. It seemed that Mike Darrow was hired only because he looked pretty on camera, nothing more. I remember someone who attended a taping of The $128,000 Question with him hosting say that he got caught in the curtains when he made his entrance, and therefore, the crew had to stop tape. That's not a good sign when a game show host doesn't know how to make an entrance.
And when he hosted Jackpot!, more often than not, he got the wallet colors wrong (something Geoff Edwards never did).
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I'm not even sure I'd do that. Pat never came back to the daytime show, and he never left the nighttime show.
My history is decidedly fuzzy to this end...when the show went back to NBC towards the end of the daytime run, did Goen go with it?
If so, then, yes, you're absolutely right, Sajak doesn't count at all.
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And the change was not for the better at all. It seemed that Mike Darrow was hired only because he looked pretty on camera, nothing more.
I'm (only slightly) stunned, as I can't think of one single thing to support Darrow being anything but perfectly capable.
(And considering they taped in Toronto at the time, I'm guessing the fact that he was Canadian didn't exactly hurt.)
And when he hosted Jackpot!, more often than not, he got the wallet colors wrong (something Geoff Edwards never did).
Especially this. "More often than not?" Proof or Not Real.
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I'm not even sure I'd do that. Pat never came back to the daytime show, and he never left the nighttime show.
My history is decidedly fuzzy to this end...when the show went back to NBC towards the end of the daytime run, did Goen go with it?
Yes.
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Geoff Edwards did the NBC run of Jackpot! When it became a USA cable show, Mike Darrow was the host for its run. When the show went syndicated, Geoff returned as host.
This counts, to me. Good example. :-)
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For British examples:
http://ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Category:Returning_Host
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Here's a stretch: Peter Marshall hosting an episode of H2 during Game Show Week.
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And the change was not for the better at all. It seemed that Mike Darrow was hired only because he looked pretty on camera, nothing more.
I'm (only slightly) stunned, as I can't think of one single thing to support Darrow being anything but perfectly capable.
(And considering they taped in Toronto at the time, I'm guessing the fact that he was Canadian didn't exactly hurt.)
And when he hosted Jackpot!, more often than not, he got the wallet colors wrong (something Geoff Edwards never did).
Especially this. "More often than not?" Proof or Not Real.
Having only seen a handful of the original and 1990 run of Jackpot, I think Geoff was a better fit for the show, but I also feel Mike Darrow did a decent job. I also liked the "Jaws-like" intro of the original and 1990 run better than the "tick-tock" chime of the Canadian version. Also on at least a couple occasions on the Darrow version, the Jackpot EXCEEDED the Super Jackpot, thus making the Super Jackpot moot. So I think the cheaper stakes also made the show less exciting. I also happened to notice that in the 1990 version, an exclamation point was added to the title, Jackpot!
Getting back to the original topic, could it be argued that Garry Moore also returned to TTTT, but only to announce his retirement and that Joe Garagiola would be his successor? They only played one full game, and the second half was Garry explaining his long absence and his decision to retire. He obviously lived well, because he lived for 13 more years.
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In the early days, hosts would take summer vacations. Thanks to GSN reruns, we were able to see some instances of that. For example on Two for the Money, Herb Shriner was spelled by Walter O'Keefe and later Sam Levenson for the summer. Of course, Sam would later take over the show full time in its final go-round.
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The information about Mike Darrow's ineptness came from BillCullen1, who had attended many game show tapings over the years. He said that Darrow was so clueless in making a proper entrance on $128K Question, that he ended up leaving the studio. I swear I didn't make this up.
As for the original topic, I see there's no mention of Ed McMahon taking over Concentration in 1969, only for Bob Clayton to return months later.
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The Clayton to McMahon to Clayton scenario was touched on briefly. Hugh Downs' memoir "On Camera" also mentions it in a lengthy chapter on "Concentration" in which he talked about having felt misled by NBC into staying on with "Concentration" several months longer than he wanted to, only because he was assured that Bob would be his permanent replacement and then NBC reneged on that after a couple months. Hugh also said that NBC that fall contacted him when he was on vacation to find out if he knew where Bob was so they could offer him the job back and how that satisfied him immensely.
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The Clayton to McMahon to Clayton scenario was touched on briefly. Hugh Downs' memoir "On Camera" also mentions it in a lengthy chapter on "Concentration" in which he talked about having felt misled by NBC into staying on with "Concentration" several months longer than he wanted to, only because he was assured that Bob would be his permanent replacement and then NBC reneged on that after a couple months. Hugh also said that NBC that fall contacted him when he was on vacation to find out if he knew where Bob was so they could offer him the job back and how that satisfied him immensely.
Of course, with Norm here, we could find out exactly what happened, but as soon as "Snap Judgment" went off Ed went directly to "Concentration." Was Ed contractually obligated to host an NBC game or something?
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The information about Mike Darrow's ineptness came from BillCullen1, who had attended many game show tapings over the years. He said that Darrow was so clueless in making a proper entrance on $128K Question, that he ended up leaving the studio. I swear I didn't make this up.
Okay, so I'm a little confused and somewhat dubious. Are you telling us, then, that when you made this statement:
And when he hosted Jackpot!, more often than not, he got the wallet colors wrong (something Geoff Edwards never did).
...that you're making it based primarily on second-hand information and not your own observations?
I am asking this because I watched this show on a fairly regular basis when it was in first run, and while it is entirely possible that I simply didn't notice this monumental level of ineptitude, it seems unlikely.
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The information about Mike Darrow's ineptness came from BillCullen1, who had attended many game show tapings over the years. He said that Darrow was so clueless in making a proper entrance on $128K Question, that he ended up leaving the studio. I swear I didn't make this up.
As BillCullen1 posts here, I'd like to see him confirm/deny this. I doubt the validity of the claim, but obviously, YMMV. And when he hosted Jackpot!, more often than not, he got the wallet colors wrong (something Geoff Edwards never did).
Do tell how this effected the outcome of the game.
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The post was made on the old GSN forums. I would be glad to cite them for you, but unfortunately, they appear to be down (maybe forever), so I don't know what to do, other than to wait in the hopes that BillCullen1 will post in this thread. If not, then oh well, life goes on.
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If you wanna go overseas...Bob Monkhouse was fired from The Golden Shot, only to be brought back after a few less successful hosts had their turn at it.
I mention it partly because I think Monkhouse's story is such an interesting one.