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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: NickS on April 16, 2011, 02:50:14 PM
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Thanks to the feds shutting down three big name online poker sites (http://"http://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2011/04/15/founders-of-worlds-biggest-online-poker-companies-indicted/"), it essentially shuts down a revenue stream for players like Negranu, Lederer, etc.
So - while you might have sponsorships available from a hosting standpoint (i.e. the Bellagio this year), do you think this is the beginning of the end for HSP?
I'm also curious to see if they'll have to blur any logos out.
/Personally, I think the show'll be deader than a 2-7 offsuit
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Who cares, it's a PoS show.
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Who cares, it's a PoS show.
Probably because at least one woman works on it, and I bet she's a flat-chested bimbo.
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Who cares, it's a PoS show.
Probably because at least one woman works on it, and I bet she's a flat-chested bimbo.
With these poker shows, it's like watching play-by-play sports with professional players. Imagine if J! or WOF or TPIR allowed losing contestants to come back time after time if they paid to get on the show. I prefer game shows on GSN rather than these casino-cam shows.
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Imagine if J! or WOF or TPIR allowed losing contestants to come back time after time if they paid to get on the show.
That would be an interesting idea for a show: The World Series of Pub Trivia.
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I'm not as big of a TV Poker fan as I used to be, but I do like having them on. They make good "background noise" whenever I'm surfing the web, reading a book, etc. (If that makes any sense)
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Who cares, it's a PoS show.
If you're going to make an argument, back it up with some substance, otherwise, quit posting.
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Who cares, it's a PoS show.
If you're going to make an argument, back it up with some substance, otherwise, quit posting.
Okay, will do in future, Mark.
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If you're going to make an argument, back it up with some substance, otherwise, quit posting.
You're good if we hold you to this same standard. right?
Just want to be sure. I know I don't have a problem with it.
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With these poker shows, it's like watching play-by-play sports with professional players. Imagine if J! or WOF or TPIR allowed losing contestants to come back time after time if they paid to get on the show.
Except that's not the standard and you know it. (Does your hair come in several neon colors?)
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With these poker shows, it's like watching play-by-play sports with professional players. Imagine if J! or WOF or TPIR allowed losing contestants to come back time after time if they paid to get on the show.
Except that's not the standard and you know it. (Does your hair come in several neon colors?)
Admittedly, I'm not a fan of this kind of programming, so I don't know all the in and outs, but I thought you had to buy-in to get on.
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If you're going to make an argument, back it up with some substance, otherwise, quit posting.
You're good if we hold you to this same standard. right?
Absolutely. I'd like to think I can defend my position when need be.
I'll also note that I'm not the one making comments that are borderline trollish.
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Absolutely. I'd like to think I can defend my position when need be.
Fair enough. Just checking.
I'll also note that I'm not the one making comments that are borderline trollish.
In this case, yes, absolutely, no problems from this office.
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Thanks to the feds shutting down three big name online poker sites (http://"http://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2011/04/15/founders-of-worlds-biggest-online-poker-companies-indicted/"), it essentially shuts down a revenue stream for players like Negranu, Lederer, etc.
So - while you might have sponsorships available from a hosting standpoint (i.e. the Bellagio this year), do you think this is the beginning of the end for HSP?
I'm also curious to see if they'll have to blur any logos out.
Do they have any .com sites advertised? I know ESPN had WSOP make its players remove any .com merchandise they were wearing (the sites quickly shipped in .net stuff for them to wear). .net sites aren't a problem. (Yes, I know the .net sites are really the way to get the .com site's foot in your door, but still, they're not illegal.)
If the show didn't take a hit when the credit card ban was introduced, I don't think this latest incident will have much effect. Yes, the WSOP had a serious reduction in the number of players after the credit card ban took place, but that was because there were far fewer players who won online tournaments where the prize was the $10,000 entry fee.
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Do they have any .com sites advertised? I know ESPN had WSOP make its players remove any .com merchandise they were wearing (the sites quickly shipped in .net stuff for them to wear). .net sites aren't a problem. (Yes, I know the .net sites are really the way to get the .com site's foot in your door, but still, they're not illegal.)
You know - IIRC, they did before the story dropped; small world story... one of the VO's on the gambling site commercial is the same one we use for our imaging promos.
Anyway, checking last night - no blurring whatsoever of the shirts, so I guess until there's a major issue, game on.
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Who cares, it's a PoS show.[/quote]
Like your reply?
Somebody must care since as I stated in the OP, it's a major revenue source for some of these players (and if it's someone like Barry Greenstein, you root for). What season is this again -- fifth or sixth, maybe?
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Somebody must care since as I stated in the OP, it's a major revenue source for some of these players (and if it's someone like Barry Greenstein, you root for). What season is this again -- fifth or sixth, maybe?
Seventh.
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It strikes me that the appeal of poker on television is similar to the appeal of golf on television. The numbers might not be large, but it is a loyal audience made up largely of people who play the game they're watching. That kind of audience can be marketed to easily, making the show more attractive to certain businesses and therefore attractive to the people who put those shows on the sir.
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The difference is, unlike golf, the poker audience tends to be savvy enough to find episodes of HSP online, making them less likely to tune in to the original broadcast. Also, golf is (generally) a live event, making it much less likely to be DVR'd than a pre-taped show like HSP.
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It strikes me that the appeal of poker on television is similar to the appeal of golf on television. The numbers might not be large, but it is a loyal audience made up largely of people who play the game they're watching. That kind of audience can be marketed to easily, making the show more attractive to certain businesses and therefore attractive to the people who put those shows on the air.
So to me the follow-on question is: if it becomes more and more difficult to get into online games, does the interest in watching the game on TV decline (because, for example, people lose interest in poker in general) or increase (because people can't play online but still enjoy the game)?
I'm well past my peak interest in poker in general (probably a good move on my part since I'm not very good at it!), so I don't know how what proportion of the total online business just got shut down. Certainly as a casual fan I was aware of PokerStars and Full Tilt.
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So to me the follow-on question is: if it becomes more and more difficult to get into online games, does the interest in watching the game on TV decline (because, for example, people lose interest in poker in general) or increase (because people can't play online but still enjoy the game)?
Option (a) is possible. Option (b), I don't think. People who can't play poker online through these sites will either demonstrate that they're casuals and fall off altogether, or demonstrate that they're hardcore by finding other poker sites. But the big winner will be physical casinos. People don't realize that over half of the states in the country have legal poker rooms (by Native American casinos, if nothing else).
The larger problem facing online gaming will be trustworthiness. While the busted sites were by no means perfect, they were reputable. If their place in the hierarchy is taken by sites that are dishonest and corrupt, that could have real long-term implications on poker's growth.
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It strikes me that the appeal of poker on television is similar to the appeal of golf on television. The numbers might not be large, but it is a loyal audience made up largely of people who play the game they're watching.
I think another parallel is that you have a section of the viewership (part of which will overlap with the loyal followers) who watches less because of what's being played and more because of who's playing. That's what makes stuff like HSP, Poker After Dark, and the Heads-Up Invitational stick.
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It appears that the shoes are beginning to fall in the TV realm following the U.S. crackdown on online poker sites.
ESPN has dropped all poker advertising and most poker programming from its schedule and website, although the World Series of Poker will still air later this year (possibly with reduced hours and little to no advertising)...
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Fox/Fox Sports Net has canned two of its poker TV shows, both of which were funded by PokerStars. World Poker Tour will continue, but PokerStars advertising will be removed...
http://news.bluffmag...-updates-20210/ (http://"http://news.bluffmagazine.com/online-poker-black-friday-the-latest-updates-20210/")
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Wow, this is a little more serious than just the shows being bad. I wonder if the contestants will get their money back and/or paid, or do time.
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Wow, this is a little more serious than just the shows being bad.
Your opinion. I happen to think it's a decent show.
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GSN will now cut High Stakes Poker back. It will be removed from Sundays, and will now air from 10pm-3am on Saturday Nights.
http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/gsn-cuts-back-on-poker-in-wake-of-government-crackdown/