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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: toetyper on November 11, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
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by the time SP left in 89. how many NBC affiliates had already had noon newscasts preempting it?
i know wfla in tampa did
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WCYB in Bristol, VA never aired Super Password. Not even once. The noon news preempted it the entire 4+ year run.
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WAVY-TV in Norfolk didn't air it. I've been told that they aired Hot Potato on Fridays though...
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I believe WWBT in Richmond, VA carried the entire run. They premiered their noon snoozecast the Monday after SP was canceled.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'250763\' date=\'Nov 11 2010, 10:33 PM\']I believe WWBT in Richmond, VA carried the entire run. They premiered their noon snoozecast the Monday after SP was canceled.[/quote]
Are you sure? I know WWBT definitely carried it, but I want to say they aired it earlier the day before the noon news. I know they aired $ale and Scrabble later in the day, say, around 3pm or so.
Then again, I WAS only six at the time so I could be way off.
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The Charlotte affiliate aired SP at a different time on a one day delay.
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I know that Toledo's then NBC affiliate, WTVG/13 (now an ABC O&O), had favored a local Noon Newscast over SP, and I want to say that WDIV/Channel 4 in Detroit also nixed SP. I was bummed, since that was the first-ever game show I saw in person in March 1987, but I never could see the finished product on TV. It was a week of nothing-to-write-home about-episodes with Abby Dalton and some other actor whom I cannot remember.
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WPXI in Pittsburgh never aired the show at noon, but they would occasionally show it at other times during the day. It would usually be a few episodes behind the national broadcast, though. Luckily, WTOV in Steubenville, Ohio, showed it at noon for the entire run.
Brendan
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In my neck of the woods, KYW-TV in Philly(then an NBC affiliate, now CBS) aired Super Password at a diffrent time(I wanna say 3:30 PM) during the entire run. There was no way they would've scrapped their noon newscast for SP.
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WGAL in Lancaster also never aired an episode of SP as "Noonday on 8" aired instead. KYW in Philly aired NBC's game shows in an odd pattern - Scrabble at 3pm, SP at 3:30, and WoF at 4.
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WAVY-TV in Norfolk didn't air it. I've been told that they aired Hot Potato on Fridays though.
I think I remember seeing the SP back when I lived in Norfolk, though we moved to Illinois back in 1986, so it may have been from that time.
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Here was WTHR in Indianapolis's lineup from the fall of 1987:
9:00 AM - Sale of the Century
9:30 AM - Classic Concentration
10:00 AM - A.M. Indiana (local talk show)
11:00 AM - Super Password
11:30 AM - Win, Lose, or Draw
12:00 PM - Noon News
As you can see, SP aired on a one-day delay at that time, and I don't think Scrabble cleared at that time.
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Didn't some indy stations pick it up?
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[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'250770\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 12:31 AM\'][quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'250763\' date=\'Nov 11 2010, 10:33 PM\']I believe WWBT in Richmond, VA carried the entire run. They premiered their noon snoozecast the Monday after SP was canceled.[/quote]
Are you sure? I know WWBT definitely carried it, but I want to say they aired it earlier the day before the noon news.[/quote]
Positive - I taped it every day starting around the middle of season 2. It could have been in a different time slot earlier, but I doubt it.
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KSDK channel 5 in St. Louis had it before Wheel of Fortune in the morning.
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The local NBC affiliate in Detroit never aired it for some strange reason - except for a few months in the summer of 1987, probably just as a time filler as some talk show may have been cancelled in May 1987 and something had to go in that slot until something new would replace the cancelled show. The Detroit affiliate dropped Super Password when something new debuted in September 1987.
Newfoundland (where I received the Detroit feed) didn't get to see the full spectrum of Super Password until GSN picked it up as early as 2005.
However, I don't know why such show lasted 4 1/2 years. That's very impressive for a show that was not cleared by many local affiliates.
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I remember that for a time NBC O&O WRC in Washington aired Super Password on a day's delay at 9:30 (and pretty much everything before it going back to Card Sharks). By 1986, it was in the noon slot as the network intended.
Boston, Providence, Springfield, MA, Albany, and Baltimore also were markets where the NBC affiliate never cleared it though in at least Boston and Albany an indy picked it up for part of the run. Odd thing about Albany is that didn't preempt it for news but for other syndicated programming including other game shows (Crosswits '86, Split Second '87, and the last season of Davidson Squares to name three).
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'250781\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 05:13 AM\']WGAL in Lancaster also never aired an episode of SP as "Noonday on 8" aired instead. KYW in Philly aired NBC's game shows in an odd pattern - Scrabble at 3pm, SP at 3:30, and WoF at 4.[/quote]
Boy, I don't have my TV Guides with me, but I'm wondering about that SP at 3:30pm on KYW thing. Was that for the whole run? I remember thinking it was neat that WRC in Washington even carried SP at all, because we never saw it in our market...but we did get KYW on cable at the time. But then again, I remember watching Scrabble at 3pm on KYW, at least sometimes, in the summer.
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IIRC, The only two shows San Francisco's then-NBC affiliate (KRON) didn't air that I can think of were 50 Grand Slam and Just Men!.
(Although NBC would later revoke KRON's affiliation mainly because of too many times it wouldn't air NBC shows, I don't think either of these two played a big part in that. (It was mainly the decision to air old movies instead of NBC sports programs on Saturdays, although one too many pre-emptions for Oakland A's games - including moving an Olympic Track & Field Trials to midnight - played its part as well.)
-- Don
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so what percent of the country NEVER got super passsword
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'250826\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 03:29 PM\']so what percent of the country NEVER got super passsword[/quote]
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I remember that for a time NBC O&O WRC in Washington aired Super Password on a day's delay at 9:30 (and pretty much everything before it going back to Card Sharks). By 1986, it was in the noon slot as the network intended.
I was always under the impression that O&O's carried the whole schedule in order...that's why the networks owned and operated them, to be sure their schedule would be seen by at least that much of the country.
How common was it for an O&O to either tape-delay or not carry a show at all? It seems rather odd to me.
I guess another question is when do the local stations needs outweigh the networks - especially if the network owns the station?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'250827\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 04:43 PM\'][quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'250826\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 03:29 PM\']so what percent of the country NEVER got super passsword[/quote]
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you're missing a zero'''
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'250832\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 01:59 PM\']you're missing a zero'''[/quote]
No, he isn't. (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250833\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 04:04 PM\'][quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'250832\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 01:59 PM\']you're missing a zero'''[/quote]
No, he isn't. (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29\")
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Beat me to it. Curses, you!
/don't panic
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WLWT didn't carry SP here in Cincinnati; however, Ch. 64 (then WIII) picked up and aired it beifgly
Brian
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'250828\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 03:44 PM\']I was always under the impression that O&O's carried the whole schedule in order...that's why the networks owned and operated them, to be sure their schedule would be seen by at least that much of the country.
How common was it for an O&O to either tape-delay or not carry a show at all? It seems rather odd to me.
I guess another question is when do the local stations needs outweigh the networks - especially if the network owns the station?[/quote]
WBBM in Chicago tape-delayed quite a bit once they wrestled DONAHUE from WGN on 1/4/82. The 9AM CT offerings (sitcom reruns then PYRAMID and CP/PYL/CS86) were moved to 10AM CT and delayed by a day, TPiR got bounced to 3PM (and also aired on a one day delay) and CBS' 11AM/3PM CT offering (airing at 11AM) was also delayed a day. By the summer of 1986 (don't remember if DONAHUE changed times or moved to WMAQ at that point), PYRAMID, CS and TPiR got run with the rest of the network (ET/CT), but PYL (still at 11AM CT) was still on delay.
Then in 1991-92, WBBM dumped the network reruns of DESIGNING WOMEN in favor of MAURY (moving Combs FF to after TPiR). And the first half hour of FFC never aired in Chicago (the second half hour did after TPiR).
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WNBC in NYC ran it at noon, as they did all their games. I don't think any of the New York stations ran a noon newscast until PYL was moved to 4 PM in 1986.
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KNBC in Los Angeles aired it at 11:00 A.M.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'250828\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 04:44 PM\']I was always under the impression that O&O's carried the whole schedule in order...that's why the networks owned and operated them, to be sure their schedule would be seen by at least that much of the country.
How common was it for an O&O to either tape-delay or not carry a show at all? It seems rather odd to me.
I guess another question is when do the local stations needs outweigh the networks - especially if the network owns the station?[/quote]
I know of one O&O station in Philadelphia, WPVI (ABC), that preempted network shows. Prior to becoming an O&O, the station had a reputation for preempting ABC programs for local programming. This continued even after the station's owner, CapCities, bought ABC and made the station an O&O in 1986. Match Game '90 is one example, WPVI never aired it despite network-owned status. The preemptions finally ended when Disney bought CapCities/ABC in 1997.
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My local affiliate also pre-empted Super Password, however I was able to watch the show during its original run.
How was that, you may ask? Since I already have a question to this effect for the forum, I'll reserve it for its own thread.
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In Milwaukee WTMJ 4 which often bumped 1-2 hours in the mornings didn't air much of it at all other than I think the last six months or so usually opting for syndicated reruns like Little House On The Prairie, Quincy, etc although for a few months in early 1987 WCGV 24 picked it up along with Wordplay.
Also, WMAQ 5 in Chicago had a few instances of delaying programing, in 1979-80 they bumped Password Plus/Hollywood Squares to 3pm for local news and in 1the spring of 1987 they actually had Dating Game and then High Rollers on at 10am bumping Wheel into the afternoon until around January 1988 when Wheel returned th its rightful 10 am slot.
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It's a wonder that this show lasted five years with just over half the country watching it. Have any shows had this kind of longetivity in a slot like that?
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[quote name=\'MisterBlue\' post=\'250884\' date=\'Nov 13 2010, 01:57 PM\']It's a wonder that this show lasted five years with just over half the country watching it. Have any shows had this kind of longetivity in a slot like that?[/quote]
Jeopardy! One of the situations with NBC in particular was that there was always a midday half hour for stations fill themselves. In the East it was 1pm, 12 central. So a show could be tape-delayed until 1 for Eastern stations while they did a midday newscast. Our NBC affil did this for many years. When "The Gong Show" moved to 4pm in 1977, our station opted to go with Gong at 1p rather than tape delay NTT, and from then on the Noon occupant went uncleared in Sag/Bay City. Eventually, the network fed Days of Our Lives at 1pm, and gave back 4pm to the stations.
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It's a wonder that this show lasted five years with just over half the country watching it. Have any shows had this kind of longetivity in a slot like that?
I think part of it might be that NBC had nothing else to put in that slot. They'd tried several different shows there in the early '80s, and none lasted that long. When Super Password came around, even though the ratings weren't great, what would they replace it with that would do better? Plus, it was a Goodson show, and GT shows always seemed to last a lot longer with lower ratings than shows from other companies did.
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but back in 86-87 how many nbc affiliates couldnt pull off a noon newscast even if they wanted too
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'250896\' date=\'Nov 13 2010, 06:40 PM\']but back in 86-87 how many nbc affiliates couldnt pull off a noon newscast even if they wanted too[/quote]
Well, you'll have to take out half the country as that would only affect Eastern and Pacific time zones, right?
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'250898\' date=\'Nov 13 2010, 08:58 PM\']Well, you'll have to take out
half 70% of the the country as that would only affect Eastern and Pacific time zones, right?[/quote]
More people live on the coasts than in the middle. However, I think Pacific also does 11 AM rather than noon, so back to 50%.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'250886\' date=\'Nov 13 2010, 02:38 PM\'][quote name=\'MisterBlue\' post=\'250884\' date=\'Nov 13 2010, 01:57 PM\']It's a wonder that this show lasted five years with just over half the country watching it. Have any shows had this kind of longetivity in a slot like that?[/quote]
Jeopardy! One of the situations with NBC in particular was that there was always a midday half hour for stations fill themselves. In the East it was 1pm, 12 central. So a show could be tape-delayed until 1 for Eastern stations while they did a midday newscast. Our NBC affil did this for many years. When "The Gong Show" moved to 4pm in 1977, our station opted to go with Gong at 1p rather than tape delay NTT, and from then on the Noon occupant went uncleared in Sag/Bay City. Eventually, the network fed Days of Our Lives at 1pm, and gave back 4pm to the stations.
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IIRC, when GONG shifted out of 12:30 in January 1977, expanding from 25 minutes to 30, it had a 1PM ET and a 4PM ET feed (that's how the Popsicle Twins made it on the 1PM feed but a rerun was fed at 4PM). Then GONG moved back to 12:30 in late 1977 and only had the one feed.