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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: cmjb13 on November 10, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
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Here's a note from blog on the LMAD section of CBS.com
[quote name=\'Michael G. Richards\']Hi Guys! I am really excited about Season Two of Let's Make a Deal! This season is full of great deals, tons of cash, and more comedy than ever! The great thing about Let's Make a Deal is that it is part game show, part variety show, and part improv sketch show.
Expect impromptu raps and musical numbers that only Wayne can come up with, deals with lots of twists and turns, and full blown improv sketches that divulge clues about the prizes!
I honestly believe that we are one of the funniest shows on daytime![/quote]
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Perhaps he meant to say "funnest" and typoed.
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...he totally doesn't "get it" and that just solidifies it.
LMaD's primary concept isn't supposed to be "funny," it's supposed to be fun. See what I did there?
/Hey Fremantle, I've been unemployed for a year. Fire Mikey and hire me. Our résumés are about the same (i.e. nothing) but at least I have some common sense.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Brown\' post=\'250612\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 06:09 PM\']...he totally doesn't "get it" and that just solidifies it.
LMaD's primary concept isn't supposed to be "funny," it's supposed to be fun. See what I did there?
/Hey Fremantle, I've been unemployed for a year. Fire Mikey and hire me. Our résumés are about the same (i.e. nothing) but at least I have some common sense.[/quote]
First TPiR, now LMaD. Completely doesn't get it. Let the show be spontaneous on its own and stop forcing moments to happen, i.e. contestants running down to check out every prize they win.
/Fremantle, hire me
//I have five years of TV production experience, and unlike the people you employ, I've actually WATCHED prior editions of the shows you make now
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[quote name=\'Mr. Brown\' post=\'250612\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 04:09 PM\']...he totally doesn't "get it" and that just solidifies it.
LMaD's primary concept isn't supposed to be "funny," it's supposed to be fun. See what I did there?[/quote]
I just hope Michael Richards did not/doesn't take watching the episodes of the Mark DeCarlo & Billy Bush versions that seriously. He already strayed from the "pricing games", and he already went to "forced" almost-unbelievable moments like the Billy Bush and the Stone-Stanley versions did.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250607\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 04:14 PM\']Perhaps he meant to say "funnest" and typoed.[/quote]
Or "funkiest," depending on Wayne's musical numbers.
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I agree with these sentiments, but there's not much left to be said about this that hasn't been said already.
However, an interesting question has come to me in reading this:
He certainly seems to have enthusiasm and a clear vision, so do any of you think that Mike Richards would do well with an actual comedy game show format, such as HS, MG, any Barris Show, or maybe even something loose like Whose Line?
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Someone revive "Letters to Laugh-In" so he has a place to work off his, um, tensions concerning variety shows.
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My oh my, ol' Monty sure was a cut-up with his high-larious highjinks on the old version of LMAD. And speaking of variety, I remember back in '75 when ABC had that variety show hosted by Howard Cosell. One time they had Howard come on LMAD to introduce the musical act for the day -- get ready for it -- the Rolling Stones! Talk about variety!
do any of you think that Mike Richards would do well with an actual comedy game show format, such as HS, MG, any Barris Show, or maybe even something loose like Whose Line?
The answer to this question is a stark "no" when you consider that Mikeala, whose game-show experience is pretty thin to begin with, has even fewer comedy creds (i.e. none).
From what I hear the behind-the-scenes operations at LMAD are a real laff riot.
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Does referring to him as "Mikeala" or "Mikey" change his lack of experience in anything? No.
/I'd call him "Bozo," but that'd be an insult to a legend.
//Yup, I'm sure I can forget about being a contestant on Price.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'250622\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 04:53 PM\']He already strayed from the "pricing games", and he already went to "forced" almost-unbelievable moments like the Billy Bush and the Stone-Stanley versions did.[/quote]Hrm? The what now?
(To the games, I see that they're doing a variant on rock-paper-scissors with some regularity, and a game where if you total 21 in five rolls of a d6 (roughly 1/4), and the problem is that you can have all of the trappings of The Widget or the Frenulator, but Wayne just doesn't have that voice that commands the situation, and doesn't make me care about picking thing A or B.
You can bring back pricing games, you can have people doing a physical game to win money that can purchase a curtain, you can ask people trivia questions, or have them fill in song lyrics or do improv. It doesn't make Wayne a better host for the vehicle.
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//Yup, I'm sure I can forget about being a contestant on Price.
Jerry Springer might have a place for you ;-)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250640\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 10:51 PM\']It doesn't make Wayne a better host for the vehicle.[/quote]I think this is the more important issue for critics than whether Mr. Richards "gets it." My take on the original statement is the director is trying to play to the host's strengths in order to make the show good. How is that a dumb or bad idea?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'250647\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 08:16 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250640\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 10:51 PM\']It doesn't make Wayne a better host for the vehicle.[/quote]I think this is the more important issue for critics than whether Mr. Richards "gets it." My take on the original statement is the director is trying to play to the host's strengths in order to make the show good. How is that a dumb or bad idea?[/quote]Because the show is no longer Let's Make a Deal or The Price is Right, but the Drew Carey Comedy Showcase or the Wayne Brady Improv Hour, but with prizes interspersed.
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Because the show is no longer Let's Make a Deal or The Price is Right, but the Drew Carey Comedy Showcase or the Wayne Brady Improv Hour, but with prizes interspersed.
Please report for work at 10 am tomorrow at 7800 Beverly Boulevard, Los Angeles. Just pry the existing name plate from the office door.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250651\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 11:19 PM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'250647\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 08:16 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250640\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 10:51 PM\']It doesn't make Wayne a better host for the vehicle.[/quote]I think this is the more important issue for critics than whether Mr. Richards "gets it." My take on the original statement is the director is trying to play to the host's strengths in order to make the show good. How is that a dumb or bad idea?[/quote]Because the show is no longer Let's Make a Deal or The Price is Right, but the Drew Carey Comedy Showcase or the Wayne Brady Improv Hour, but with prizes interspersed.
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And that is the important part indeed. As long as the game is the same and the star of the program, it's OK for Drew and/or Wayne to provide a little entertainment. It seems easier to have that balance on TPIR somehow, maybe because it has a more fixed format?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'250654\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 08:42 PM\']Please report for work at 10 am tomorrow at 7800 Beverly Boulevard, Los Angeles. Just pry the existing name plate from the office door.[/quote]Here's the sad thing: I'm just A Guy. I like watching game shows. I haven't written a Masters thesis on them or anything. But I had enough sense that when Joe asked his question, I had the answer right there.
I'm not willing to ascribe this all to stupidity when we don't know if Mike is getting direction from On High to shape the programs in these ways. When we do, I'll totally go stupidity.
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That tears it -- I'm starting up an "indie scene" for game shows. Sign up sheet is on the bulletin board by the teachers' lounge. Who's with me?
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If I win Powerball or Mega Millions, I'm spending it on the game show equivalent of Revision3.
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I'm not willing to ascribe this all to stupidity when we don't know if Mike is getting direction from On High to shape the programs in these ways.
That's a fair statement. I, on the other hand, have credible sources telling me about the backstage operations of LMAD, which is why I made my snark.
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[quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' post=\'250658\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 09:14 PM\']That tears it -- I'm starting up an "indie scene" for game shows. Sign up sheet is on the bulletin board by the teachers' lounge. Who's with me?[/quote]
No shortage of frustrated game show producers here.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250651\' date=\'Nov 10 2010, 11:19 PM\']Because the show is no longer Let's Make a Deal or The Price is Right, but the Drew Carey Comedy Showcase or the Wayne Brady Improv Hour, but with prizes interspersed.[/quote]
Okay, but I contend that's less a by-product of Richards' directing than it is from the selection of Carey and Brady as hosts.
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[quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' post=\'250658\' date=\'Nov 11 2010, 12:14 AM\']That tears it -- I'm starting up an "indie scene" for game shows. Sign up sheet is on the bulletin board by the teachers' lounge. Who's with me?[/quote]
One could make the argument that BuzzerBlog's recent foray into podcast game shows is exactly that.
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I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't interpret his statement as him saying that's what's going to be happening every day. And, I mean, even the classic version of the show (including the pilot) utilized some forms of poetry and acting to deliver clues/prizes/etc...who's not to say this will be a modern take on that?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'250790\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 10:14 AM\']who's not to say this will be a modern take on that?[/quote][quote name=\'MRichards\']Expect impromptu raps and musical numbers[/quote]Not impressed with what the rap/hip-hop scene did to the NBA. It doesn't need to find its way into game shows as well.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250791\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 07:17 AM\']Not impressed with what the rap/hip-hop scene did to the NBA.[/quote]
I'm sorry, did they start freestyling during time-outs and nobody told me?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250791\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 10:17 AM\'][quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'250790\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 10:14 AM\']who's not to say this will be a modern take on that?[/quote][quote name=\'MRichards\']Expect impromptu raps and musical numbers[/quote]Not impressed with what the rap/hip-hop scene did to the NBA. It doesn't need to find its way into game shows as well.
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Way, way off the mark. Hip-hop is not invading Let's Make A Deal. It would be foolish to assume that the presence of "impromptu raps" would change a television game show into whatever you see the NBA as.
Speaking of which, what did you mean by that?
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Mikey has apparently never "got it," regardless of what show he's working on at the time.... this blurb from The Randumb Show (http://\"http://therandumbshow.com/about.html\"):
The Randumb Show is the longest running TV show in the history of Pepperdine, produced solely by students. The show has generated more people who go on to work in the entertainment industry than any other show on campus. The show originated in 1995 When Mike Richards (right: now Executive Producer of "The Price is Right" & "Let's Make a Deal") was kicked off the News team because he made too many jokes on air. He was allotted a space on what was then TV3 (later TV26, and currently TV32), Pepperdine's channel on Charter Cable. He hosted and produced the show in a late night talk show style where he would call up guests, roll a number of sketches and usually have a musical guest perform live.
Also, they apparently filmed an anniversary special on Price's set, with Mike's "triumphant" return.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'250804\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 10:28 AM\']Way, way off the mark. Hip-hop is not invading Let's Make A Deal. It would be foolish to assume that the presence of "impromptu raps" would change a television game show into whatever you see the NBA as.[/quote] But here's the problem: when I turn on Jeopardy, I'm expecting a fast-paced hard quiz show. I'm not expecting a comedy showcase, or Hangman, or shopping. When I watch Whose Line...I expect a comedy showcase, and not guys trying to score points while dodging the resident behemoths. And so on.
It is evident that those in charge believe that LMAD is not enough of a format to stand on its own legs, and therefore they need to tart up the Zonks, or have various other things that stretch out the game. If you can't put together an hour of content, don't put out an hour-long product.
Speaking of which, what did you mean by that?
A person who looks up "music in the NBA" on Wikipedia will find that "hip-hop culture" as the top of the pops. That alone wasn't enough to convince me to stop watching, having an absolutely rubbish team topped the survey board, replaced by "no team." Personally, I prefer Roundball Rock to Jay-Z or Nelly.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'250804\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 01:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250791\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 10:17 AM\'][quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'250790\' date=\'Nov 12 2010, 10:14 AM\']who's not to say this will be a modern take on that?[/quote][quote name=\'MRichards\']Expect impromptu raps and musical numbers[/quote]Not impressed with what the rap/hip-hop scene did to the NBA. It doesn't need to find its way into game shows as well.
[/quote]Speaking of which, what did you mean by that?[/quote]It meant exactly what I said. I dislike the fact that crap that wouldn't have even qualified as music 30 years ago has made its way into the mainstream. I also feel the NBA has too much of a thug culture--IMO part of it stems from the rap/hip-hop music that its now associated with.
It has a trickle-down effect and 90% of the time when I ref a junior high or high school basketball game, I have to hear "Heart of a Champion" or some other 'tune'. What was wrong with Gary Glitter?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250961\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 07:39 AM\']What was wrong with Gary Glitter?[/quote]
The pedophilia?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250961\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 05:39 AM\']What was wrong with Gary Glitter?[/quote]Specifically, maybe because he was caught with ten kiddie pr0n. Broadly? Dunno.
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Never mind the child porn problems; the song sucks.
Not that I like the overloud instrumentals (well, the crowd goes oh, oh, oh to them) the NHL arenas use....
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250961\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 08:39 AM\']I dislike the fact that crap that wouldn't have even qualified as music 30 years ago has made its way into the mainstream.[/quote]
That can easily be said by people in the 1930s re: swing music, in the 50s regarding rock & roll, in the 80s with popular music of that era, in the 90s with grunge... I'm sure there will be something 30 years from now that will make people who currently like hip-hop/rap cringe.
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'250977\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 01:15 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250961\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 08:39 AM\']I dislike the fact that crap that wouldn't have even qualified as music 30 years ago has made its way into the mainstream.[/quote]
That can easily be said by people in the 1930s re: swing music, in the 50s regarding rock & roll, in the 80s with popular music of that era, in the 90s with grunge... I'm sure there will be something 30 years from now that will make people who currently like hip-hop/rap cringe.
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From Mad #275, Dec. 1987, and the piece "It's Really Scary To Think That..." (http://\"http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm57/furd_burfel/mad.png\")
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'250977\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 10:15 AM\']That can easily be said by people in the 1930s re: swing music, in the 50s regarding rock & roll, in the 80s with popular music of that era, in the 90s with grunge... I'm sure there will be something 30 years from now that will make people who currently like hip-hop/rap cringe.[/quote]
This, this, a million times this.
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'250977\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 11:15 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250961\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 08:39 AM\']I dislike the fact that crap that wouldn't have even qualified as music 30 years ago has made its way into the mainstream.[/quote]
That can easily be said by people in the 1930s re: swing music, in the 50s regarding rock & roll, in the 80s with popular music of that era, in the 90s with grunge... I'm sure there will be something 30 years from now that will make people who currently like hip-hop/rap cringe.
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I'm looking forward to the days (in the not too distant future) when people in assisted living/senior centers will have their singalongs based on music by the Doors and Led Zeppelin. We had discussed this impending event on college radio back in the mid 80's and said it would be fun to see the then 70 and 80 year olds flirting with each other by saying "Come on baby, light my fire".
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250981\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 11:37 AM\'][quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'250977\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 10:15 AM\']That can easily be said by people in the 1930s re: swing music, in the 50s regarding rock & roll, in the 80s with popular music of that era, in the 90s with grunge... I'm sure there will be something 30 years from now that will make people who currently like hip-hop/rap cringe.[/quote]This, this, a million times this.[/quote]The problem with That, That, is that it doesn't mean anything. Pop music is called that because it's popular at the time. I'm not a drinker and I'm not interested in having children, so songs that are about drinking and sex irritate me, and I prefer to not listen to it.
There are things that I don't like that make people scratch their head. That works the other way too. If Mark doesn't like the various trappings of the NBA, that's his deal; he's free to not watch, as much as other people are free to watch, or say "I'm really not keen about that part, but I like the rest enough to deal with it."
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'251028\' date=\'Nov 16 2010, 12:28 AM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250981\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 11:37 AM\'][quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'250977\' date=\'Nov 15 2010, 10:15 AM\']That can easily be said by people in the 1930s re: swing music, in the 50s regarding rock & roll, in the 80s with popular music of that era, in the 90s with grunge... I'm sure there will be something 30 years from now that will make people who currently like hip-hop/rap cringe.[/quote]This, this, a million times this.[/quote]The problem with That, That, is that it doesn't mean anything. Pop music is called that because it's popular at the time. I'm not a drinker and I'm not interested in having children, so songs that are about drinking and sex irritate me, and I prefer to not listen to it.
There are things that I don't like that make people scratch their head. That works the other way too. If Mark doesn't like the various trappings of the NBA, that's his deal; he's free to not watch, as much as other people are free to watch, or say "I'm really not keen about that part, but I like the rest enough to deal with it."
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My comment had nothing to do with the NBA. Mark made a comment about "today's music" not qualifying as such 30 years ago, and my response was related to the quoted text in my earlier post.
...and we're all familiar with the definition of "pop music."